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BiffbarfI wish trying to get to the root of understanding was more a priority for people instead of having an identity and feeling the need to defend it incessantly against nonsense.
Jemsunfortunately true
abjectwoeWhy you going to lie to us bro
ParkingLotPissI know saying this only feeds the idiotic notion conservatives have that they are somehow persecuted by the left and unfairly generalized as all being racist, homophobic, etc. But honestly, it isn’t a generalization.
Just because you don’t have an irrational hatred of people who aren’t white doesn’t exempt you from being racist. If you are someone who is willing to overlook and excuse racism, then you are, by extension, also racist.
By voting for Trump — who is objectively racist (argue about that if you want, but don’t be delusional) — you are facilitating and encouraging racism.
Anyway, the point is: active support of conservative policies and politicians is synonymous with being racist.
VTshredder69Is DEI racist? Hiring someone strictly based on their ethnic background?
freestyler540The further right you go on social, the more you prefer policies that encourages benefiting the self and the further left you go, the more you prefer benefiting society. Think diversity policies, abortion, allocation to social programs.
fabbeHow can abortion be beneficial for society? genuine question
in my mind its just killing babies, how can that be beneficial?
fabbeHow can abortion be beneficial for society? genuine question
in my mind its just killing babies, how can that be beneficial?
abjectwoeGot to love how billionaires have pitched the masses against each other by making DEI, and other identity politics, a scapegoat.
Black people think White people are the enemy.
White people think Black people are the enemy.
Meanwhile Musk, Bezos, Zuck, and all their bitch-ass friends do all they can to squeeze every dollar out of us.
fabbeHow can abortion be beneficial for society? genuine question
in my mind its just killing babies, how can that be beneficial?
VTshredder69When you have one of the biggest Liberal REAL Tv people saying he disagrees with Trump's policies, but it's an entirely different experience meeting him in person it's got to mean something.
freestyler540There are different types of conservatism. The 2 main categories are Social and Economic. Social, as how we act as people and economic, which is economic policies that the government uses to run a country.
The further right you go on social, the more you prefer policies that encourages benefiting the self and the further left you go, the more you prefer benefiting society. Think diversity policies, abortion, allocation to social programs.
Economic is usually free market vs government regulated (state owns the businesses). Economic rightists believe that the market will always fix itself. Business selling deadly product? Aften enough deaths and injuries, people wont buy that product and business goes under. Deaths caused by the product was consumers discretion. So market fixed!
Leftists believe government should regulate and oversee businesses and correct the market when problems arise. Read keynesian theory vs free market. You will then understand 10% of macro economics.
the whole maga movement in the US isnt about left or right; its about the super wealthy taking more power as you distract the rest with media.
BiffbarfBro take a break from whatever echochamber you're stuck in
VTshredder69Is DEI racist? Hiring someone strictly based on their ethnic background?
cool270outYou think women getting abortions just want to kill their child for fun?
abjectwoeYou think a 9 year old raped by some piece of shit should be forced to go through pregnancy and possibly die herself?
You think women that have complications during pregnancy where the fetus will 100% die should still be forced to give birth and possibly die themselves?
Wild hill to die on.
fabbeHow can abortion be beneficial for society? genuine question
in my mind its just killing babies, how can that be beneficial?
ParkingLotPissexplain how im wrong
fabbei chatgpt'd it and it said that 90% of abortions in the USA are done by economic and social reasons, i just dont think that economic and social reasons are enough to take away another humans life imo.
GrandThingsIf you believe that life begins at conception, that is a totally valid opinion and I'd understand why you'd think of abortions as killing babies. I personally do not agree with that, but you're totally entitled to that viewpoint. I do also agree that people that use abortions as a form of birth control is wrong, however that is not the case for the VAST majority of women who receive abortions. I just looked up some data and ~1 in 4 women in the US will have an abortion by the time they're 45. Do you think 1 in 4 women in the United States is a "baby killer?" To me this seems reductionary and dismissive in the same way that people who think everyone who voted for Trump is a Nazi. We need to stop villanizing people we don't agree with.
One argument about how abortions benefit society is that they help breakup the cycle of generational poverty. 75% of abortions come from low income communities where if the women were to have a child, they would rely on social programs and public welfare systems. Whereas children born into households that are prepared to support them tend to have better health, education, and social outcomes making it easier to move up the socio-economic ladder.
On the more personal level, abortions support bodily autonomy and positive healthcare outcomes for the mother. If we ban them outright we're setting an extremely dangerous precedent.
abjectwoeSo you must support economic and social empowerment for these people that choose to abort given they lack the money and other resources to raise a kid, right?
fabbeyes, im in sweden so we kind of have that, idk how it is in the US tho
GrandThingsIf you believe that life begins at conception, that is a totally valid opinion and I'd understand why you'd think of abortions as killing babies. I personally do not agree with that, but you're totally entitled to that viewpoint. I do also agree that people that use abortions as a form of birth control is wrong, however that is not the case for the VAST majority of women who receive abortions. I just looked up some data and ~1 in 4 women in the US will have an abortion by the time they're 45. Do you think 1 in 4 women in the United States is a "baby killer?" To me this seems reductionary and dismissive in the same way that people who think everyone who voted for Trump is a Nazi. We need to stop villanizing people we don't agree with.
One argument about how abortions benefit society is that they help breakup the cycle of generational poverty. 75% of abortions come from low income communities where if the women were to have a child, they would rely on social programs and public welfare systems. Whereas children born into households that are prepared to support them tend to have better health, education, and social outcomes making it easier to move up the socio-economic ladder.
On the more personal level, abortions support bodily autonomy and positive healthcare outcomes for the mother. If we ban them outright we're setting an extremely dangerous precedent.
Biffbarf'active support of conservative policies and politicians is synonymous with being racist' (your words)
Speaks for itself tbh. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's racist. You group an entirety of separate, individual issues you can have a conservative viewpoint on then want to say they're racist because you say so. If you believe that you need to broaden your horizons, respectfully.
cool270outDo you at least acknowledge that conservatives were the political opposition during the civil rights movement?
cool270outDo you at least acknowledge that conservatives were the political opposition during the civil rights movement?
BiffbarfUh, sure. But thats whattaboutism right? Conservative viewpoints aren't racist viewpoints. Racist viewpoints are racist viewpoints. Trying to vilify support of conservative policy as racist when race isn't even a part of it doesn't help anyone.
dubmasterskankaThe civil rights era was half a century ago - how does this comment do anything but foster resentment?
What conservatives want - I believe - is some accountability from liberals that some of their stances are a bit weird, and basically rooted in academia
What liberals want - I believe - is that there is more to fixing societal problems than just "hurr durr be a man" or "pick yourself up by your bootstraps"
How is so hard for you guys to come to the middle?
I'm sick of this thread - we are 1 month away from the middle of 2025; can we close it now?
ParkingLotPissSomebody else already explained that that isn’t what DEI is.
But no matter how you feel about DEI, the core issue is systemic racism. (If you think systemic racism is not a real phenomenon, then you are delusional.) It's something that both parties repeatedly fail to address.
cool270outHonestly if you’re not American you can’t even begin to understand the cultural nuances at play here
dubmasterskankaAbortions are a choice for a modern society. But let's not act like that a 16-year-old who gets pregnant and has an abortion is magically going to become a financial guru overnight.
fabbeof course not, it should be done if the baby has down syndrome or something or it threatens the mother or the mother is raped, but lets not act like the majority of abortions are done under horrific circumstances like that. i chatgpt'd it and it said that 90% of abortions in the USA are done by economic and social reasons, i just dont think that economic and social reasons are enough to take away another humans life imo.
and why u putting words into my mouth ur making me sound like an evil guy.
cool270outIt’s just an extremely broad example of the point we’re getting at. If I keep flicking your nose when I tell you to look at your shirt you’ll eventually wise up and know what I’m about to do. If we, as a nation, see conservatives instituting racist policies repeatedly well wise up in the same way. Conservatives can say whatever they want but we know what they’re really doing
VTshredder69You want to kill a baby because they have down sydrome? They're usually the happiest people alive. That's fucked.
BiffbarfAgain, please escape your echo chamber. Your conspiracy about 'what conservatives are really doing' just isn't reality. If you don't have friends or family you can discuss an alternate viewpoints with you, you live an unbalanced life brotha. Please challenge yourself to see opposing viewpoints.
fabbemaybe i was too vague agian, i meant if the baby has like a some real bad condition that makes it painful for them to live or something like that
cool270outI literally hang out on Fox News and r/conservative to do just that but whatever
profa_212Honestly pretty sad that this kid:
A) thinks he knows anything about how the world actually functions enough to make political statements.
B) thinks he knows anything about his actual political beliefs.
C) is just repeating what he hears daddy say.
D) should be off doing more important things like sports, friends, and chasing tail.
Like why the fuck does a 17 year old cuck for trump lmao jesus christ.
cool270outI literally hang out on Fox News and r/conservative to do just that but whatever
BiffbarfNah like real people man. People you can respect and look up to even if you have a different opinion than they do
cool270outSo yeah abortion is a human right
cool270outYup, my father in law and all of my suppliers are maga as fuck. I know you guys. I’m a contractor, I’m like the only non maga guy everywhere I go
BiffbarfYou're the only 'non maga' guy in construction? You don't work any union sites? It's not good to paint with a broad brush man. You'd be surprised the nuances of your acquaintance's views even if you do paint them as 'maga' whatever that means.
BiffbarfAgain, please escape your echo chamber. Your conspiracy about 'what conservatives are really doing' just isn't reality. If you don't have friends or family you can discuss an alternate viewpoints with you, you live an unbalanced life brotha. Please challenge yourself to see opposing viewpoints.
cool270outOf course you pretend to not know what maga means. You only argue pedantics, never substance
BiffbarfI genuinely don't understand your context of the word. Do you mean conservatives? Or trump hardos?
BiffbarfI genuinely don't understand your context of the word. Do you mean conservatives? Or trump hardos?
VTshredder69I am not alone in this thread anymore!!!
