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theabortionatorI was just thinking the other day how wild it is that Bush seems pretty chill compared to Trump. And he did some horrible shit.
Also lol at the idea that anyone in the majority of the republican party is "moderate". That's just wild as hell to say
Christian_Baletbh I wonder if the claims that Trump is fascist are a bit misguided. While he's clearly trying to accumulate as much power as he can for himself, I don't really think he's smart enough to be a fascist. When you look at historical examples of fascist governments, there's usually a pretty well-defined political project which involves more control over the media and corporations which trump doesn't really have. On the other hand, if you take an honest look at some of the shit he's been doing, you kinda have to conclude that they're not the type of actions that a normal leader of a democratic country would be taking. For example, I know the Jan 6 stuff is a big libtard talking point but you have to admit that shit was out of pocket, so to speak.
theabortionatorThe tech companies aligning with him and riding the wave is a little concerning. They're smartish/powerful enough to be at least a little bit threatening.
But yeah idk with Trump. His policies are deeply concerning, unfortunately more based on mirroring what works with his constituents. I don't think he really gives a fuck about abortions, gay people and other things. But that's what's keeping the train rolling.
I think the reverence to him by the people is almost scarier than himself. Also that kind of vibe can lead to some bad shit. Maybe not fascism but look at where cults and cult type vibe situations end up a lot of times. That power can do crazy shit.
Currently it seems like no matter what he does, a large chunk of the population will worship him. That's problematic at the very least.
Idk. If the establishment dems come out with the same bullshit policies and trying to court Republicans with shitty policies, we're fucked. Hopefully by then the Dems will understand what the people want and people like Schumer will be gone.
One can hope...
Christian_BaleI agree but there might be an interesting contradiction in what you said though. You said that his policies are largely based with what works with his constituents, but you also acknowledged that there's a significant part of his base that will support him regardless. Interesting example being the U turn on the Epstein stuff where some supporters are mad and others are now saying it's not a big deal anymore. Anyway I agree with both those points to an extent, it's just an interesting question of to what extent is the tail wagging the dog if you get what I mean
ParkingLotPissGlad you're at least somewhat joking but a lot of you losers idolize politicians and it's fucking weird and lame.
The fact that the president of the USA has an online merch store full of shit made in China for his minions to buy is hilarious.
He's just squeezing you for all you're worth and you love it.
fabbei dont agree with trump but calling him fascist is retarded
Christian_BaleAnyway I agree with both those points to an extent, it's just an interesting question of to what extent is the tail wagging the dog if you get what I mean
PoikenzI'd say it's more of a feedback loop with trump and those that influence/ hold power over him. A basic example:
Fox news says some shit,
Trump sees it and says some shit about it,
Fox reports on that, expanding and adding in extra shit/ analysis,
Trump sees that and says something that seems related to it in his mind, and so on.
His constituents are just followers, they watch it all. Add in some YouTube, Facebook, social media shit, and they are hooked regardless of if they want to be or not. Consumer is more apt of a label now that I think about it.
I think it's more interesting that @theabortionator touched on tech giants supporting Trump. While social media isn't entirely to blame, it plays a major role politically, probably much larger than most people care to realize.
Granby_killdozerMy god you are a smug self righteous prick. As if news outlets on the left don’t shift to a new political crisis every 5 minutes to keep their audiences in a constant state of fear and anxiety…
Granby_killdozerMy god you are a smug self righteous prick. As if news outlets on the left don’t shift to a new political crisis every 5 minutes to keep their audiences in a constant state of fear and anxiety…
Granby_killdozerTerrible analogy bro
Granby_killdozerMy god you are a smug self righteous prick. As if news outlets on the left don’t shift to a new political crisis every 5 minutes to keep their audiences in a constant state of fear and anxiety…
ParkingLotPissBoth sides use dishonest/unethical techniques to maximise views and/or appease the people who fund/own their networks. The root of this issue is capitalism. When news and media become for profit they also become easily controlled by private interests. No shit this is what happens when one person (who inevitably has political views in one direction or another) controls a news network, social media platform, newspaper etc. This is why countries like Canada and the UK have the CBC and BBC. Not that those are flawless sources of information but they are held to a much higher standard of honesty than American networks.
I haven’t looked into it much at all so I don’t know how good of a news source it actually is but I know Ground News has a feature where they show you a "Blind Spot" report with articles/stories that get less reporting from one side of the political spectrum. Cool feature worth checking out.
https://ground.news/blindspot
theabortionatorI think the "both sides" argument should get shelved with some stuff.
All news outlets have bias, but fox has continued down the spiral of saying unhinge stuff baded on nothing.
Hell even their text messages between them including Tucker are pretty damming.
Sucks because no matter the lawsuits settled, text messages, and all the bs, people will take Fox as truth.
My parents watch it hours a day. They're so hooked. It's wild seeing the inside of that cult. Pretty sad.
theabortionatorSucks because no matter the lawsuits settled, text messages, and all the bs, people will take Fox as truth.
My parents watch it hours a day. They're so hooked. It's wild seeing the inside of that cult. Pretty sad.
PoikenzI want to think Fox news fell into their current success thanks to the political polarization created by social media.
I want to think that social media companies like meta support Trump because he makes them money, and knowing how powerful social media is in terms of elections, he wouldn't dare to impose any regulations on them.
MIT did a study about fake news on Twitter back in 2018 and found that false information has a reach 6x larger than that of truth. It's simply because lies are more interesting, and interesting things help social media platforms increase engagement and profits.
Your parents aren't crazy, they are just being used to make money, and anyone is suseptible to the manipulation regardless of their intelligence. It will only get worse as these algorithms continue to improve.
In talking to my own parents, I can say that my dad has developed a YouTube addiction over the past year and he has gained some crazy ideas for someone who was always pretty grounded. I know that no matter how hard I try, I can't talk him out of it. It's designed to be addictive, just like gambling or drug abuse, and that shit ruins families.
fabbei dont agree with trump but calling him fascist is retarded
VTshredder69Fascism is trying to imprison your opponent (democrats). Not voting for or against spending bills.
GrandThingsYes, yes and I personally can't think of any controversial detention facilities that Trump has recently set up... oh wait
VTshredder69this is where you lose me because obama did the same thing at the border but the media didn't mention it so he's the 'good guy'
Meanwhile he drone struck the most people in history and won the Nobel peace prize.
Obama killed and deported far more people than Trump has yet you love him.
VTshredder69especially when the senate and the house can choose to override his veto power.
Fascism is trying to imprison your opponent (democrats). Not voting for or against spending bills.
Parkinglotshit is just a fucking idiot.
ParkingLotPissVeto requires 2/3 majority. Good luck getting that when Trump has the House and Senate in his pocket. There's nothing he would do that would cause senators and members of the House to magically stop being cowards.
I'm serious, please, any of you bootlickers, tell me how the Trump administration doesn't meet the definition of fascism.
I'm not saying they've implemented a complete fascist power structure. I'm saying that that's clearly the way they are heading, and quickly. Fascism would never look the same in the States as it did in Germany, but when the similarities start getting stronger, that's when you know you have a problem.
VTshredder69this is where you lose me because obama did the same thing at the border but the media didn't mention it so he's the 'good guy'
Meanwhile he drone struck the most people in history and won the Nobel peace prize.
You only hate trump because the media hates him and that forms your thoughts.
Obama killed and deported far more people than Trump has yet you love him.
GrandThingsFor the record, I think Obama is probably also a pretty terrible person
VTshredder69What drives me nuts is the narrative that prior presidents like Obama were great and Trump is an evil dictator.
GrandThingsBig facts. I pointed out to my parents that Stephen Colbert is just as bias/problematic as Fox News and they literally didn't seem to get it. All big media and all politicians are corrupt as fuck.
But, ngl when that Tufts grad student (a LEGAL resident) got stuffed into a van by masked ICE agents like half a mile from my apartment it felt scarily dystopian and made me think we're on a slippery-slope heading towards what feels like fascism and maybe I should start speaking out against it.
VTshredder69if the incompetent democrats could get their act together then i just gave you the fucking example of how he's not a fascist.
You're a fucking loony tune dude
labubu-crazeDid you contact any authorities about it?? Thats wack if they took him without any cause.
labubu-crazeI assume you are referring to this article in PNAS (LOL) Comparing crime rates between undocumented immigrants, legal immigrants, and native-born US citizens in Texas | PNAS when it comes to you citing that undocumented immigrants commit fewer crimes than native-born US citizens.
While it is considered reliable, there has been evidence of Megajournal bias amongst the editors and peer-reviewers at such journals. Megajournal mismanagement: Manuscript decision bias and anomalous editor activity at PLOS ONE - ScienceDirect
labubu-crazeAnd if your defense is “they broke the law,” that doesn’t hold up. That would only make sense if Trump’s immigration crackdown focused on serious, violent criminals. But the majority of undocumented immigrants aren’t violent. In fact, studies show they commit fewer crimes per capita than native-born Americans. They pay billions in taxes, even though they get little or nothing in return. They take the hard, underpaid jobs that most people avoid, like farm labor, food processing, construction. They are a net positive on the US.
I assume you are referring to this article in PNAS (LOL) Comparing crime rates between undocumented immigrants, legal immigrants, and native-born US citizens in Texas | PNAS when it comes to you citing that undocumented immigrants commit fewer crimes than native-born US citizens.
While it is considered reliable, there has been evidence of Megajournal bias amongst the editors and peer-reviewers at such journals. Megajournal mismanagement: Manuscript decision bias and anomalous editor activity at PLOS ONE - ScienceDirect
labubu-crazeWhile it is considered reliable, there has been evidence of Megajournal bias amongst the editors and peer-reviewers at such journals. Megajournal mismanagement: Manuscript decision bias and anomalous editor activity at PLOS ONE - ScienceDirect
ParkingLotPissTrying to quantify the merit of an entire ethnic group is a very slippery slope.
PoikenzHave to be that guy here, not all illegal immigrants share the same ethnicity or even nationality.
VTshredder69this is where you lose me because obama did the same thing at the border but the media didn't mention it so he's the 'good guy'
Meanwhile he drone struck the most people in history and won the Nobel peace prize.
You only hate trump because the media hates him and that forms your thoughts.
Obama killed and deported far more people than Trump has yet you love him.
theabortionatorBro, Idk what it is with people and these "gotchas".
I don't like what Obama did. The nobel peace prize was bs, and yeah he droned a bunch of civilians it sucks.
Just weird people are like "But Obama, But Clinton, Yeah but Kamala!"
Idk. The right has this idea that anyone on the left jerks off to all these people and watches CNN 10 hours a day. Sure the trump people engage in this type of behavior but that shit's not normal lol.
Just wild to always deflect from the current administration with "But __________" insert somebody from now or 300 years ago.
theabortionatorBro, Idk what it is with people and these "gotchas".
I don't like what Obama did. The nobel peace prize was bs, and yeah he droned a bunch of civilians it sucks.
Just weird people are like "But Obama, But Clinton, Yeah but Kamala!"
Idk. The right has this idea that anyone on the left jerks off to all these people and watches CNN 10 hours a day. Sure the trump people engage in this type of behavior but that shit's not normal lol.
Just wild to always deflect from the current administration with "But __________" insert somebody from now or 300 years ago.
Granby_killdozerWe just find it hypocritical that you guys weren’t calling them fascists when they were doing exactly the same things as Trump.
Granby_killdozerWe just find it hypocritical that you guys weren’t calling them fascists when they were doing exactly the same things as Trump.
VTshredder69Thank you for understanding what i'm saying.
theabortionatorI know you're generally just trying to argue but what are you saying? What did Obama or Clinton do that seems fascist? Idk, lets be honest here. If they were I'd call them out as well but it's not a fit. I don't like a lot of what they did but fascism is def not the right word.
This just seems to be more of the same "But what about _____" "Why not mention ______". Deflecting from the person who is doing things that actually check these boxes.
It's just weird. The modern dnc sucks but even though both parties have severe issues, this isnt a "both sides" thing.
One side is fully backing authoritarianism. That's just the truth. Fuck the democrats for priotizing their corporate donors and trying to sabotage the peooles wishes like Zohran in NYC. That isn't fascism though.
The modern right wing republicans how ever are all about it. I know billbarf and grandby will downvote this, but tell me how it isn't true?
VTshredder69They're literally the same but nobody called obama a fascist when it comes to deportations. That's my issue
Deportations and Due Process: Comparing Obama and Trump Policies
VTshredder69They're literally the same but nobody called obama a fascist when it comes to deportations. That's my issue
Deportations and Due Process: Comparing Obama and Trump Policies
profa_212HAHAHHAAHAHA fucking republicans voting to not release Epstein's list hahahahhahahhaa I sure wonder why that is
VTshredder69S&P at an all time high guys. Fascism at least does something right!
VTshredder69S&P at an all time high guys. Fascism at least does something right!
