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VTshredder69What's been done has been done. Let's not go back into the past.
The question is where does it end?
Does Ukraine actually 'beat' russia? That would be nice but highly unlikely.
Does Ukraine lose to Russia. If so at what cost. Does Nato get involved or does the US supply troops? All of our "aid" to Ukraine just turns into absolutely nothing. Because how the fuck are they going to pay us back.
Getting involved in this BS conflict that's 1500 miles away will have consequences and I don't see it turning out favorable for the USA. That's my very controversial (IDK HOW) point. It's a waste of money, resources and most importantly human life.
Its 2024 for fucks sake. I think sitting around a negotiation table goes a lot further now than it did at any point in history. Just turning the cold shoulder to Russia and blindly throwing hundreds of billions at Ukraine will work its route.
"what's been done has been done"? tell that to the people the presidents molested.
Yeah obviously negotiations would be better (although that gives Putin a chance to request some crazy shit)
I agree that the best solution is probably not throwing billions at Ukraine and hoping they somehow figure it out. But I think stopping sending recourses and letting Ukraine fend for themselves is a much worse idea. Its not like Russia will just be a bit bigger and that's the end of the story, there will be serious consequences.
VTshredder69What's been done has been done. Let's not go back into the past.
The question is where does it end?
Does Ukraine actually 'beat' russia? That would be nice but highly unlikely.
Does Ukraine lose to Russia. If so at what cost. Does Nato get involved or does the US supply troops? All of our "aid" to Ukraine just turns into absolutely nothing. Because how the fuck are they going to pay us back.
Getting involved in this BS conflict that's 1500 miles away will have consequences and I don't see it turning out favorable for the USA. That's my very controversial (IDK HOW) point. It's a waste of money, resources and most importantly human life.
Its 2024 for fucks sake. I think sitting around a negotiation table goes a lot further now than it did at any point in history. Just turning the cold shoulder to Russia and blindly throwing hundreds of billions at Ukraine will work its route.
"what's been done has been done"? tell that you the people the president molested. yikes
Yeah negotiations would be nice but it opens the door for Putin to make outrageous requests it would also probably only be a temporary solution.
I agree that throwing billions at Ukraine and hoping they figure it out is probably not the most effective solution. But I think just letting the genocidal dictator take the land he wants is a much worse solution. Its not like Russia would just be a slightly bigger count ire and that the end of the story. the consequences would be huge.
read these articles from the Institute of the Study of War:
.MASSHOLE.I guess it makes sense you're OK letting a "strong-man" strong-arm his way into what he wants at the expense of everyone else.
Explains the DJT vote.
It just makes me laugh when you think you know it all. Literally got everything about covid wrong. Pretend you never said it. Then think you know what you're talking about in the area of international conflict.
So i'm supposed to trust the science again?
Only this time Nukes are actually a real threat to peoples health and you're laughing it off for the sole reason your boy Biden expanded the conflict. Now being anti war is a "trump" and "Right wing" thing
VTshredder69It just makes me laugh when you think you know it all. Literally got everything about covid wrong. Pretend you never said it. Then think you know what you're talking about in the area of international conflict.
So i'm supposed to trust the science again?
Only this time Nukes are actually a real threat to peoples health and you're laughing it off for the sole reason your boy Biden expanded the conflict. Now being anti war is a "trump" and "Right wing" thing
Holy shit man you're one pathetic loser.
You keep calling people Pro-War unless they think the USA should completely stop aid to Ukraine. It not pro war, its anti-dictatorship.
We didn't call countries that sent troupes WWII despite never being attacked themselves "pro-war".
"Then think you know what you're talking about in the area of international conflict"
What makes you think you know so much about international conflict?
Pulling out of Ukraine would be very short sighted
VTshredder69It just makes me laugh when you think you know it all. Literally got everything about covid wrong. Pretend you never said it. Then think you know what you're talking about in the area of international conflict.
So i'm supposed to trust the science again?
Only this time Nukes are actually a real threat to peoples health and you're laughing it off for the sole reason your boy Biden expanded the conflict. Now being anti war is a "trump" and "Right wing" thing
Holy shit man you're one pathetic loser.
You keep telling yourself that.
I'm not "pro-war", I'm anti-dictatorship/anti-bullying.
With Russia, Putin threw the first punch. Ukraine has every right to fight back and make their own decisions about how they utilize their military. I also believe supporting them in their right to defend themselves.
The same thing can be applied to China. With China, Xi is attempting to intimidate local countries in the South China Sea and I believe the US should support local countries in defending their territories. The same goes for supporting Taiwan. Give Taiwan the resources they need to defend their independence.
Both those leaders attempt to bully regional independent governments into falling in line, generally by show of force. I think that's wrong and believe these countries should have their independence and the right to defend themselves.
Shouldn't you, being a pro-2A individual, understand that?
I've never once advocated for deployment of troops in Ukraine. Am I against providing logistical support or intelligence support? Nope, so long as we can assure that the American lives will be protected OR that they volunteer for the assignment.
I'm not "pro-war", I'm anti-dictatorship/anti-bullying.
With Russia, Putin threw the first punch. Ukraine has every right to fight back and make their own decisions about how they utilize their military. I also believe supporting them in their right to defend themselves.
The same thing can be applied to China. With China, Xi is attempting to intimidate local countries in the South China Sea and I believe the US should support local countries in defending their territories. The same goes for supporting Taiwan. Give Taiwan the resources they need to defend their independence.
Both those leaders attempt to bully regional independent governments into falling in line, generally by show of force. I think that's wrong and believe these countries should have their independence and the right to defend themselves.
Shouldn't you, being a pro-2A individual, understand that?
I've never once advocated for deployment of troops in Ukraine. Am I against providing logistical support or intelligence support? Nope, so long as we can assure that the American lives will be protected OR that they volunteer for the assignment.
Hit the nail on the head. Ukraine has the right to fight back. The fact that the US got involved is the issue makes it way more complicated. I don't understand why sending long range missiles into Russia which elevates the conflict is a good idea.
Either way i think i've exhausted my libertarian rhetoric that has now been interpreted as pro trump. THe government is retarded on both sides but America is clearly tired of the last incompetent regime.
I want the conflict to be resolved but our government has turned it into our problem now. I think the USA is a good policing order for the good but I think they need to pick their conflicts better.
Now it's time to do some FLorida saltwater fishing because Russia and Ukraine both suck.
VTshredder69Hit the nail on the head. Ukraine has the right to fight back. The fact that the US got involved is the issue makes it way more complicated. I don't understand why sending long range missiles into Russia which elevates the conflict is a good idea.
Either way i think i've exhausted my libertarian rhetoric that has now been interpreted as pro trump. THe government is retarded on both sides but America is clearly tired of the last incompetent regime.
I want the conflict to be resolved but our government has turned it into our problem now. I think the USA is a good policing order for the good but I think they need to pick their conflicts better.
Now it's time to do some FLorida saltwater fishing because Russia and Ukraine both suck.
it would be nice if we could just decide what conflicts to care about but unfortunately these conflict have real world implications for other countries the USA included. you're delusional if you think we should just pretend it wont affect the USA ( or other NATO nations) down the line.
I totally get that it sucks to be sending all these recourses to an issue that doesn't immediately directly effect us but for the love of good try to look at the big picture.
The post immediately followed one in which Trump said his first of “many” executive orders on Jan. 20 would impose tariffs of 25% on all products from Mexico and Canada.
Mexico's top exports include:vehicles (mainly cars), vehicle parts, electrical and electronic equipment, machinery including computers, mineral fuels (like crude petroleum), optical, technical, and medical apparatus, plastics, and agricultural products like vegetables and fruits; with the majority of these exports going to the United States
Canada's top exports to the United States by product in 2023 include
Iron and steel: $8.51 billion
Aircraft and spacecraft: $7.58 billion
Paper and paperboard: $6.86 billion
Pharmaceutical products: $6.75 billion
Other top Canadian exports to the United States include: Crude petroleum, Cars, and Petroleum gas.
The post immediately followed one in which Trump said his first of “many” executive orders on Jan. 20 would impose tariffs of 25% on all products from Mexico and Canada.
This will go well. Market is going to LOVE this.
Say hello to higher prices everyone.
Are they going to be higher than 5$ Gas and 8% inflation?
It's not that I don't believe you. I just don't really care. Biden has also been increasing some of Trump's previous tariffs on China which i think is a solid move.
VTshredder69It's not that I don't believe you. I just don't really care. Biden has also been increasing some of Trump's previous tariffs on China which i think is a solid move.
PartyBullshiitPeople will start bitching when their guac is $10 a bowl. 90% of our avocados come from Mexico.
Avocados should be priced as a luxury good. It's a water intensive crop with a short shelf life and we don't even produce them ourselves anymore. If anything, this will encourage people to eat more seasonal and local produce.
ParkingLotPissit would be nice if we could just decide what conflicts to care about but unfortunately these conflict have real world implications for other countries the USA included. you're delusional if you think we should just pretend it wont affect the USA ( or other NATO nations) down the line.
I totally get that it sucks to be sending all these recourses to an issue that doesn't immediately directly effect us but for the love of good try to look at the big picture.
How is sitting down like adults and trying to deescalate the situation not looking at the bigger picture? Lol.
It's hilarious how Biden won't even talk to Putin. The cold war was at least talked through by JFK.
Biden is literally escalating it by allowing long range missiles to be fired into Russia.
VTshredder69How is sitting down like adults and trying to deescalate the situation not looking at the bigger picture? Lol.
It's hilarious how Biden won't even talk to Putin. The cold war was at least talked through by JFK.
Biden is literally escalating it by allowing long range missiles to be fired into Russia.
Jesus Christ the world is mad.
That's a briliant idea im sure none of the geo-politcal experts empolyed by the US government have thought of it. Say they went into negotiatations, what do you think putin would want in return for a russian retreat? im sure it would be something completely reaonable given that he's a ration person who belives if fairess.
VTshredder69How is sitting down like adults and trying to deescalate the situation not looking at the bigger picture? Lol.
It's hilarious how Biden won't even talk to Putin. The cold war was at least talked through by JFK.
Biden is literally escalating it by allowing long range missiles to be fired into Russia.
Jesus Christ the world is mad.
Was Russia using a nuclear-capable IRBM an escalation or not?
Was Russia invading Ukraine an escalation?
Was Russia using North Korean troops an escalation?
Is Russia threatening nuclear war, nearly every week at this point an escalation?
Is Russia making dangerous passes on U.S. aircraft operating legally escalation?
Who has reneged on 3 "peace" deals with Ukraine?
Long-ranged weapons were fired into what the Russians say is Russian territory multiple times in the past year. Fortunately there are adults sitting down to look at the bigger picture. The U.S. communicates with Russia and vice versa.
I'll say it again as I have said in previous posts. The information is out there. It's your choice to be willfully ignorant or gargle russian cock between bumps of blow.
It's telling that Russia using an IRBM is not all that concerning to you, but western weapons being used more in Russia, after they have already been used in Russia, is. The U.S. allowed Himars use in Kursk months ago. Stormshadows have landed in Crimea months ago. But here comes VTshredder to clutch pearls.
**This post was edited on Nov 26th 2024 at 10:54:14pm
Well, people just elected someone that promise a 25% tarif on all goods coming from Mexico and Canada. I hope he is “just kidding” because that will destroy everyones economies. and for what?
ParkingLotPissThat's a briliant idea im sure none of the geo-politcal experts empolyed by the US government have thought of it. Say they went into negotiatations, what do you think putin would want in return for a russian retreat? im sure it would be something completely reaonable given that he's a ration person who belives if fairess.
Does getting into a nuclear conflict for land 1500 miles away that we have zero ties to make sense to you?
It sounds like it does. You sound like an idiot.
LonelyWas Russia using a nuclear-capable IRBM an escalation or not?
Was Russia invading Ukraine an escalation?
Was Russia using North Korean troops an escalation?
Is Russia threatening nuclear war, nearly every week at this point an escalation?
Is Russia making dangerous passes on U.S. aircraft operating legally escalation?
Who has reneged on 3 "peace" deals with Ukraine?
Long-ranged weapons were fired into what the Russians say is Russian territory multiple times in the past year. Fortunately there are adults sitting down to look at the bigger picture. The U.S. communicates with Russia and vice versa.
I'll say it again as I have said in previous posts. The information is out there. It's your choice to be willfully ignorant or gargle russian cock between bumps of blow.
It's telling that Russia using an IRBM is not all that concerning to you, but western weapons being used more in Russia, after they have already been used in Russia, is. The U.S. allowed Himars use in Kursk months ago. Stormshadows have landed in Crimea months ago. But here comes VTshredder to clutch pearls.
**This post was edited on Nov 26th 2024 at 10:54:14pm
Remember kids, if you're losing an argument, just insult the other person (learned that one from trump).
I could care less if some 30 year old washed ski bum thinks I'm smart or not. so how about you say something with a little more substance then "we should just roll over for papa Putin and let him thunderfuck any weaker country he wants"
ParkingLotPissRemember kids, if you're losing an argument, just insult the other person (learned that one from trump).
I could care less if some 30 year old washed ski bum thinks I'm smart or not. so how about you say something with a little more substance then "we should just roll over for papa Putin and let him thunderfuck any weaker country he wants"
Remember kids. IF you're arguing with an idiot. Call them a fucking idiot.
ParkingLotPissRemember kids, if you're losing an argument, just insult the other person (learned that one from trump).
I could care less if some 30 year old washed ski bum thinks I'm smart or not. so how about you say something with a little more substance then "we should just roll over for papa Putin and let him thunderfuck any weaker country he wants"
Can't wait to funnel funds to Taiwan when CHina invades them.
But wait, Taiwan is an actual ally of ours.
Love handing Money to israel to Buttfuck Gaza and Lebanon.
You know what, you're right. Let them all kill each other. World would indeed be better off.
VTshredder69Can't wait to funnel funds to Taiwan when CHina invades them.
But wait, Taiwan is an actual ally of ours.
Love handing Money to israel to Buttfuck Gaza and Lebanon.
You know what, you're right. Let them all kill each other. World would indeed be better off.
I honestly cant tell if you're being sarcastic
true Ukraine is not an official ally but the enemy of my enemy is my friend. and also just cuz the leaders of Ukraine have never signed a piece of paper doesn't mean that the USA (beacon of western democracy and military superpower) should let corrupt murderous dictators use the world as their playground.
ParkingLotPissI honestly cant tell if you're being sarcastic
true Ukraine is not an official ally but the enemy of my enemy is my friend. and also just cuz the leaders of Ukraine have never signed a piece of paper doesn't mean that the USA (beacon of western democracy and military superpower) should let corrupt murderous dictators use the world as their playground.
Hilarious how it's so popular now to be team america world police
Surely it's you who would go to the front lines to fight against these dictators, right? Or is that just for the 'others'?
ASSholebomber22Hilarious how it's so popular now to be team america world police
Surely it's you who would go to the front lines to fight against these dictators, right? Or is that just for the 'others'?
Like I've said. the main reason i don't think America should pull out is that in the long run it would probably create larger financial burdens if russia wins. on top of that i think we shouldn't let dictators do as they please. I am not pretending to know what the solution is all I'm saying is that i don't think it's complete removing ourselves from it. Trumpies studently love to label anyone who doesn't want to let Putin do what he wants as some kind of war loving freak. I hate war but America pulling out doesn't fix the problem and it doesn't stop it from being America's problem to a degree. Jesus i don't think this is very hard to understand
I actually came here to vent about the opposite lol. I went to college, mostly liberal, voted for Kamala. But it’s absolutely incredible hearing how disrespectful and condescending my liberal college friends are in their echo chambers after they purged conservatives from their friend groups 10 years ago and they wonder how we are here and everyone hates them so bad they voted for Trump? Their only defense is name calling while they cry why haven’t their student loans been forgiven while they work behind their home desk in their corporate job with benefits, surely if someone has different political views than them surely it’s because they must be racist, mysogenistic, homophobic idiots and not because they aren’t on the upper portion of the K curve, Yeah? Then I step up and say “calm down you’re talking about 60% of our country, my neighbors, family, friends, understand that I’m taking offense for your broad generalizations about these people who have differing viewpoints than you. And then I’m told I only stand up for them because I’m also racist, mysogenistic, homophobic, bigoted obviously
if I came into a friends house and used the term f*****t or R****d and got called out for it’ I’d be apologetic and respectful. Yet somehow it’s ok if you’re liberal to just double down on that view
VTshredder69Remember kids. IF you're arguing with an idiot. Call them a fucking idiot.
iH8powI actually came here to vent about the opposite lol. I went to college, mostly liberal, voted for Kamala. But it’s absolutely incredible hearing how disrespectful and condescending my liberal college friends are in their echo chambers after they purged conservatives from their friend groups 10 years ago and they wonder how we are here and everyone hates them so bad they voted for Trump? Their only defense is name calling while they cry why haven’t their student loans been forgiven while they work behind their home desk in their corporate job with benefits, surely if someone has different political views than them surely it’s because they must be racist, mysogenistic, homophobic idiots and not because they aren’t on the upper portion of the K curve, Yeah? Then I step up and say “calm down you’re talking about 60% of our country, my neighbors, family, friends, understand that I’m taking offense for your broad generalizations about these people who have differing viewpoints than you. And then I’m told I only stand up for them because I’m also racist, mysogenistic, homophobic, bigoted obviously
if I came into a friends house and used the term f*****t or R****d and got called out for it’ I’d be apologetic and respectful. Yet somehow it’s ok if you’re liberal to just double down on that view
I defiantly agree that there's a problem among liberals/left leaning people with just lumping all trump supporters as racist, homophobic etc. That being said anyone who is actually racist, homophobic etc is almost 100% a trump supporter. (not saying that people on the left arnt ever these things). And i kinda think that if you look around and realise your one same side as people who are genuinely bigoted then you should seriously revaluate. Also I think that if republicans don't want to get lumped in with all the bigots they should be condemning what they say and do. It took forever for trump to condemn full blown white supremacy because he knows that all those people are voting for him.
ParkingLotPissAlso I think that if republicans don't want to get lumped in with all the bigots they should be condemning what they say and do. It took forever for trump to condemn full blown white supremacy because he knows that all those people are voting for him.
There's no public outcry from republicans when republican politicians say so bigoted shit.
The fact that you guys elected a sex offender is really enough to conclude that no, republican do not condemn bigoted behaviour. except in this case "bigoted" is sugar coating it big time.
ParkingLotPissMaybe you do but for the most part...
There's no public outcry from republicans when republican politicians say so bigoted shit.
The fact that you guys elected a sex offender is really enough to conclude that no, republican do not condemn bigoted behaviour. except in this case "bigoted" is sugar coating it big time.
Donald Trump is not a sex offender. He may be that in your opinion but that term has a legal definition and by that definition he’s not one. By all means, keep throwing around terms you don’t understand though and continue making yourself look dumb. This is honestly pretty entertaining.
I know but it’s so ironic how all those victimized groups all oddly extremely supportive of Trump, the woke left need to wake up and realize nobody is as concerned about those issues are as they do. Although I do fear everything the left fears as well
ParkingLotPissI defiantly agree that there's a problem among liberals/left leaning people with just lumping all trump supporters as racist, homophobic etc. That being said anyone who is actually racist, homophobic etc is almost 100% a trump supporter. (not saying that people on the left arnt ever these things). And i kinda think that if you look around and realise your one same side as people who are genuinely bigoted then you should seriously revaluate. Also I think that if republicans don't want to get lumped in with all the bigots they should be condemning what they say and do. It took forever for trump to condemn full blown white supremacy because he knows that all those people are voting for him.
Granby_killdozerDonald Trump is not a sex offender. He may be that in your opinion but that term has a legal definition and by that definition he’s not one. By all means, keep throwing around terms you don’t understand though and continue making yourself look dumb. This is honestly pretty entertaining.
You're right by the legal definition he is not a sex offender.
that being said:
His ex wife testified he raped her and ripped her hair out of her head.
He was recently found liable for defamation and sexual abuse in a court of law.
He bragged on the Howard Stern Show that he would walk in on women changing at his pageants because he owned the pageant and " can " .
He was caught on the access Hollywood tape admitting he sexually assaults women.
oh and 26 women have accused him of various sexual misconducts and typically where there's smoke, there's fire. yeah its conceivably possible that all 26 of the mare lying but I find that highly unlikely, and either way I think its probably wise to err on the side of caution.
Not to mention the fact the openly bragged about walking in on changing beauty Padgett contestants, some of witch were as young as 15.
Among other things.
So although by the legal definition, he is not a sex offender, he almost defiantly should be. if anyone else was in his position they would loose everything but somehow he's the miraculous exception.
He's just another creepy old man.
ParkingLotPissYou're right by the legal definition he is not a sex offender.
that being said:
His ex wife testified he raped her and ripped her hair out of her head.
He was recently found liable for defamation and sexual abuse in a court of law.
He bragged on the Howard Stern Show that he would walk in on women changing at his pageants because he owned the pageant and " can " .
He was caught on the access Hollywood tape admitting he sexually assaults women.
oh and 26 women have accused him of various sexual misconducts and typically where there's smoke, there's fire. yeah its conceivably possible that all 26 of the mare lying but I find that highly unlikely, and either way I think its probably wise to err on the side of caution.
Not to mention the fact the openly bragged about walking in on changing beauty Padgett contestants, some of witch were as young as 15.
Among other things.
So although by the legal definition, he is not a sex offender, he almost defiantly should be. if anyone else was in his position they would loose everything but somehow he's the miraculous exception.
He's just another creepy old man.
glad you think it's entertaining
Look at the details of the court case man. It was a complete farce and the prosecutions strategy was only possible because of the rules of the district they were in. That Howard stern clip, which had absolutely nothing to do with e jean Carroll, was a major piece of evidence in it for christs sake. And I actually do find it likely that those 26 women are lying. Feel free to prove me wrong though (you can’t)
ParkingLotPissLike I've said. the main reason i don't think America should pull out is that in the long run it would probably create larger financial burdens if russia wins. on top of that i think we shouldn't let dictators do as they please. I am not pretending to know what the solution is all I'm saying is that i don't think it's complete removing ourselves from it. Trumpies studently love to label anyone who doesn't want to let Putin do what he wants as some kind of war loving freak. I hate war but America pulling out doesn't fix the problem and it doesn't stop it from being America's problem to a degree. Jesus i don't think this is very hard to understand
Hell yeah dude mobilize to defeat the ruskies
Just, you know, America's favorite way of spilling blood via proxy war since the korean 'conflict'
Glad you chose the 'others' tho. Gotta keep feeding 18yr olds to the war machine for muh economy right?
Granby_killdozerLook at the details of the court case man. It was a complete farce and the prosecutions strategy was only possible because of the rules of the district they were in. That Howard stern clip, which had absolutely nothing to do with e jean Carroll, was a major piece of evidence in it for christs sake. And I actually do find it likely that those 26 women are lying. Feel free to prove me wrong though (you can’t)
The other stuff: sure
but you think all 26 of them are lying? if this was anyone else you would never think that. Personally if some was accused by 26 separate women that is just not odds I'm willing to take. you've got Trumps cock so far down your throat it's made you delusional.
Also the Padgett stuff alone is enough to know he's a terrible person.
ParkingLotPissThe other stuff: sure
but you think all 26 of them are lying? if this was anyone else you would never think that. Personally if some was accused by 26 separate women that is just not odds I'm willing to take. you've got Trumps cock so far down your throat it's made you delusional.
Also the Padgett stuff alone is enough to know he's a terrible person.
The man had 2 assassination attempts made on him this last election. You really don’t think that 26 women couldn’t conspire to lie? How many of them came forward after he started running for president? Like I said prove it! Prove that he sexually assaulted someone with irrefutable evidence or shut the fuck up with your moaning about republicans being bigots
