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Daymakers vs CAST
Hey there I'm looking to get into touring and I do not want to get AT bindings (cuz I compete in big mountain) but I can either get daymakers, which I hear are great or the CAST system. Any thoughts?
Love my casts, little bit of extra weight but having confidence in my bindings downhill is worth it. They just did a redesign and released a new setup as well.
Daymakers would be a pain in the fucking ass.
Go with Cast. Otherwise, see if you can find some MFD alltimes...
Go with Cast. Otherwise, see if you can find some MFD alltimes...
DingoSeanDaymakers would be a pain in the fucking
Go with Cast. Otherwise, see if you can find some MFD alltimes...
Why would they be a pain in the ass other than the weight?
JaybrtnLove my casts, little bit of extra weight but having confidence in my bindings downhill is worth it. They just did a redesign and released a new setup as well.
Do the bindings pretty much feel the same other than the base plate? It still looks the same pretty much. How does it feel in performance?
Downhill they feel the same, although it does raise the stand height up a few mm. I ride them on resort days as well without a second thought, and just bring the dynafit toes with me if I decide I might dip out of bounds.
sickskiWhy would they be a pain in the ass other than the weight?
Same issues as alpine trekkers... fitting two bulky things your your pack along with everything else, snow clogging up stuff, lots more snow getting in your pack, because who could be honestly fucked to clean the snow off every time. Theyre an upgrade on the trekkers, but the same issues of having more stuff to carry apply.
I mean, for legit sidecountry and short ascents, they're fine. getting out to a kicker that you've built? sure thing. in that case, they're awesome... but by no means would I want to be on them all day long fiddling away.
I'd take the CAST system, or digging up a pair of MFD alltimes over these just about any day... but then again, remember this is just one mans opinion.
DingoSeanSame issues as alpine trekkers... fitting two bulky things your your pack along with everything else, snow clogging up stuff, lots more snow getting in your pack, because who could be honestly fucked to clean the snow off every time. Theyre an upgrade on the trekkers, but the same issues of having more stuff to carry apply.
I mean, for legit sidecountry and short ascents, they're fine. getting out to a kicker that you've built? sure thing. in that case, they're awesome... but by no means would I want to be on them all day long fiddling away.
I'd take the CAST system, or digging up a pair of MFD alltimes over these just about any day... but then again, remember this is just one mans opinion.
How would you define side country? I live at winter park/berthoud pass and the only thing I've really been skiing is zero Creek, but we have 40 gate that takes you half way up. Is that more side country?
JaybrtnDownhill they feel the same, although it does raise the stand height up a few mm. I ride them on resort days as well without a second thought, and just bring the dynafit toes with me if I decide I might dip out of bounds.
Sounds pretty good, I'm rocking the one ski quiver and competing so I'm trying to find what's best.
JaybrtnLove my casts, little bit of extra weight but having confidence in my bindings downhill is worth it. They just did a redesign and released a new setup as well.
I'm really leaning towards investing in CAST this year, but I haven't gotten my hands on them in real life so I'm still kind of skeptical. Do they come with the pivots? or is it basically an upgrade kit and you have to have the alpine bindings already
mikemacI'm really leaning towards investing in CAST this year, but I haven't gotten my hands on them in real life so I'm still kind of skeptical. Do they come with the pivots? or is it basically an upgrade kit and you have to have the alpine bindings already
They just came it with a new style setup so I can't speak to that much, but I believe they make their own pivot toes and whatnot now that comes with it.
I have the style before that, where you have to buy your own bindings then buy the plate system from cast. You could also, at the time, buy your dynafit toes from them as well.
I'll be spending time on that new CAST system this year. I'll keep you guys updated and also will write some reviews
The bigger pull factor of day makers is you can use multiple skis. If you want to go ski some spring slush and take a diffrent set of sticks than what you might take out in January then that works. I suppose that's true of the cast system as well but you'd have to get a second set of plates and its a lot of pieces and have to get you boot fitted to them. IDK to each is own but im playing to cop some daymakers this year..... for now.
sickskiHow would you define side country? I live at winter park/berthoud pass and the only thing I've really been skiing is zero Creek, but we have 40 gate that takes you half way up. Is that more side country?
Dunno. I've never skied that zone. Only done tours out by West Portal and stuff.
I'd define sidecountry as a tour for distance not elevation... IE: Your climb is less elevation than the distance you cover skiing down. Generally you don't go all day "sidecountry" unless you're using a car or sled to cover the majority of the steep elevation return. (purists would call it cheating I suppose)
for me, the most obvious state of sidecountry in that part of Colorado would be say, driving/getting a ride up to loveland pass, and traversing out from there, to ski down below. Minimal elevation gain, for a lot more skiing elevation. Therefore, added weight means little, because you're not carrying it up a lot of elevation... and a plate binding or added weight of a daymaker is negligible (although annoying if you pack heavy)
DeepskierThe bigger pull factor of day makers is you can use multiple skis. If you want to go ski some spring slush and take a diffrent set of sticks than what you might take out in January then that works. I suppose that's true of the cast system as well but you'd have to get a second set of plates and its a lot of pieces and have to get you boot fitted to them. IDK to each is own but im playing to cop some daymakers this year..... for now.
How many skis do you really need for touring haha. And in that case you still have to buy skins for everything haha.
Maybe i'm spoiled, but I like dedicated setups. The less compromises you have to make, the better.
DingoSeanHow many skis do you really need for touring haha. And in that case you still have to buy skins for everything haha.
You not understanding me, the whole point of day makers is you don't need skis for touring. If I want to go tour some deep as snow in January and I take a 120 wasted heavy as fuck floater, I probably don't want to take that same ski on a small slush tour in may. It's cheaper than having one dedicated set up and having to cut corners riding something other than your first choice and as for skins as long as they are a close fit you should be fine. And if you get second hand skins they are what 1/4 or 1/2 the cost after someone used them once or twice? So what better to drop 50 or 100 bucks on that than a hoodie or a night drinking with the boys.
Maybe i'm spoiled, but I like dedicated setups. The less compromises you have to make, the better.
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I installed binding freedom inserts into a few pairs of skis, so I can swap the cast system to whichever setup I want to take out touring. Pretty nifty
The CAST Pivot Freetour Thread
https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/thread/854770/The-CAST-Pivot-Freetour-Thread
For any of you interested in CAST, this is the thread I made that will hopefully help you guys. I put it in gear talk so more people would see it.
https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/thread/854770/The-CAST-Pivot-Freetour-Thread
For any of you interested in CAST, this is the thread I made that will hopefully help you guys. I put it in gear talk so more people would see it.
Season 4 getting started on my cast setup. Looking at buying a second system with their new tech. Still haven't tried daymakers but like the idea
JohnJonszSeason 4 getting started on my cast setup. Looking at buying a second system with their new tech. Still haven't tried daymakers but like the idea
Buy daymakers, I got a code for a free shirt with purchase for you too. You wont regret it
DeepskierBuy daymakers, I got a code for a free shirt with purchase for you too. You wont regret it
Can I get that code?
DeepskierBuy daymakers, I got a code for a free shirt with purchase for you too. You wont regret it
Have you used the daymakers? What do you think? If they are as advertised it might be perfect for me. I want to bash around on my skis in the resort 90% of the time. I tried frame bindings and broke them. Looks like the burlier frame bindings actually weigh more than daymakers plus alpine binders. Also all the frame bindings look like something I might break with all my bashing around the woods and dropping to flat etc.
OregonDeadHave you used the daymakers? What do you think? If they are as advertised it might be perfect for me. I want to bash around on my skis in the resort 90% of the time. I tried frame bindings and broke them. Looks like the burlier frame bindings actually weigh more than daymakers plus alpine binders. Also all the frame bindings look like something I might break with all my bashing around the woods and dropping to flat etc.
Daymakers triumph frame bindings 100% you get the durability and trust you have in your pivots (or markers or whatever you use) and the weight difference between them is insignificant. Not to mention you can take different skis out and the weight distribution makes the way up easier.
DeepskierDaymakers triumph frame bindings 100% you get the durability and trust you have in your pivots (or markers or whatever you use) and the weight difference between them is insignificant. Not to mention you can take different skis out and the weight distribution makes the way up easier.
Lots of hate on the old BCA trekkers but it looks like this is a way better design. I don't like the idea of buying a tech set up that I'll only use a handful of times each year. Also the only reason I'm skinning is to do more skiing and I'm not going to put in all that work to take it easy on the downhill.
So, these are sold out now on the Daymakers site. JSkis had 3 left and I bought one so act fast if you want to try these before Christmas.
OregonDeadLots of hate on the old BCA trekkers but it looks like this is a way better design. I don't like the idea of buying a tech set up that I'll only use a handful of times each year. Also the only reason I'm skinning is to do more skiing and I'm not going to put in all that work to take it easy on the downhill.
Exactly I don't fuck with limits. I want to ride my gear as hard as i can and trust it 100% as for the trekkers. They knew those sucked so in design they avoided all those shitty plastic pieces and things. Daymakers are a totally different adapter.
Chrome makers sold out but don't worry, pre-order for the next batch (shipping late November/early December) opening up in early November.
DeepskierBuy daymakers, I got a code for a free shirt with purchase for you too. You wont regret it
Thanks sounds good
DeepskierChrome makers sold out but don't worry, pre-order for the next batch (shipping late November/early December) opening up in early November.
Can you give me a heads up when this becomes available
JohnJonszThanks sounds good
Can you give me a heads up when this becomes available
Will try to remember to pop in to this thread. Should open up in the next week, maybe two
JohnJonszThanks sounds good
Can you give me a heads up when this becomes available
Check with JSkis https://jskis.com/products/daymakers?variant=41121594888 they got their own inventory of the chromemakers and their site doesn't say sold out yet.
I have the old cast version. For me it makes total sense because i get to have a charger resort ski with zero drawbacks at all and a decent touring setup in one. Swapping out the toe pieces can be a pain, you just have to really be sure you have any ice cleared off. I've spent 15 minutes before trying to get the toe pieces in, which can really suck when its cold and windy and you just want to be done with it. even when they go in easy it does kind of suck having to fiddle with it, but not a big deal. if your priority is the down's then it makes complete sense. Hopefully the new version fixed it.
anyone know when the next batch drops?
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