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ndyeI am a democratic socialist.
And socialist is not a dirty word, socialist does not equal communist.
yeahmonExplain to me why you think socialism needs to be implemented in the United States
yeahmonExplain to me why you think socialism needs to be implemented in the United States
ndyeI believe that the ever increasing wealth gap and current laws in the United States disproportionately affect the wealthiest Americans and corporations at the expense of low income and middle class families. The wealth gap now is larger than it has ever been before.
I believe in universal health care, because I believe that with our right to health care we should have a right to health insurance. People being uninsured leads to them ignoring major issues with there health until the last possible minute, and this is most widespread in low income people who then upon receiving health care are unable to pay for it, and therefor that is picked up by the taxpayers.
I believe in free public education, because I believe higher public education is now not only important but a necessity for the betterment of an individual in society. I believe a crucial part of the American dream and the purpose of this country, is that everyone can succeed if they work hard, I believe free public higher education would help us steer ourselves back to that point.
A common misconception pushed by individuals is that we have the highest corporate tax rate in developed countries, which is in itself true. However we have so many tax breaks that our average effective tax rate is actually lower than the average of what many would consider the worlds developed countries. Slashing the capital gains tax and the rates paid by top earners in society is not beneficial to the middle class.
Although the top tiers of society are indeed what many people love to refer to as "job creators" they simply are not. The middle class drives business, and spends disproportionately more money compared to top earners. Our economy is driven by spending and in reality the middle class. Without a strong middle class, we cannot have a strong economy.
I believe some socialist ideologies will help to strengthen the middle class.
I believe people who peddle to the American public that issues like the estate tax, the worlds highest corporate tax rate, and trickle down economics are simply lying to the American public to push their political agendas which in reality are the agendas of many major industries, and continue to receive financial backing from them and stay in power as long as possible.
If you dont believe my rant about money in politics from special interests, take a look at James M. Inhofe the senate's environment and public works committee majority chairman. Now look at his top donors to his campaign:
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00005582
Now tell me that this man impartially makes decisions about the environment without remembering who gave him money to get there, and will continue to give him money to stay there.
The system is rigged against progress and the American poor and middle class, we deny science, we deny economics, and sometimes we outright deny the truth. A better educated, better paid, and better informed America is the best America we could ask for.
End rant.
Charlie*Complete independent here.
I dont think socialism needs to be implemented. Socialism means just paying into a system of government that in turn provides goods/services. We're already doing that. The difference is, we have no say in where are tax money goes, most of our tax dollars are going to the military industrial complex, the war machine, siphoned off by corrupt politicians, government contractors and big corporations, extravagant perks and parties for government workers, wasteful spending around every corner (and the list goes on). Meanwhile the infrastructure in this country has never been worse. Roads are deteriorated, bridges are borderline dangerous, education is barely invested in, healthcare is unaffordable, public transport sucks in most places, veterans are essentially ignored; and this list goes on as well... Socialism in my view is an extreme, we don't need to go that far. We just need to take money out of politics, drain the filth in Washington and take back our government (and I say that to all republican/democrat/independents). Our oligarchical government doesn't give a shit about us, only themselves and their wealthy friends, donors, lobbyists and major corporations. The sooner people realize that, the sooner we can get this country back on track.
Barefootin_Fiendi don't give a single shit who you fuck, marry, or identify as. You do you and get on wit yo bad self. I think a woman has the right to make decisions concerning her own body and the government can fuck right off with their interference. I want to keep as much of my money as possible since I've worked fucking hard to earn it. I think the drug war is the biggest joke of the 20th and 21st centuries. And I love the fucking shit out of my guns....don't you dare try and take them away from me.
yeahmonWatch this
http://www.youngcons.com/shark-tanks-kevin-oleary-schools-cnns-erin-burnett-on-obama-economics-and-the-1/
louie.miragsndye, ideally what you're saying would be great. However, greed tends to get in the way. For example, the Affordable Care Act just forces people to pay for insurance instead of providing it equally to everyone. It changed what plan covered what, raised co-pays in some cases, raised rates in cases, caused people to lose their primary doctors or lose their jobs. Now I am not saying that some people aren't benefiting, but plenty of horror stories. And who makes out no matter what is the healthcare and insurance companies. Insurance rates reflect how you're paying for the people who don't have insurance. And I meet lazy people daily. Why should I be paying for their healthcare? Do I feel bad for the widow with 4 kids? Yes I do. But how about the people just getting free care because they don't want to work?
louie.miragsAnd if somebody doesn't want to save until it is too late, why is that everyone's problem?
ndyeHe mislead about the rates that he pays, albeit percentages true it is nowhere near his effective tax rate. Look that up.
Small businesses do not make up any significant portion of the 1%. Small businesses thrive from increased wages at the bottom tier, you should see how that works. He is right, small businesses are crucial to economic domestic success, he just misleads you into thinking that he has anytime recently been a small business man. Jobs are created by an economy that spends. We should remove a lot of regulations on small businesses. However the issue I have here is major corporations which due to the way they run in America make it nearly impossible for small businesses to compete.
You're being mislead into believing that it is as simple as he puts it. Beware of simple arguments.
There is a lot more people who want jobs then jobs available, that is the idea of unemployment. If someone has been looking for a job, and I offer them $8 hour, sure they have two kids and they know its not enough but its something, I could offer them 7 or 6 or 5 they will take it! Workers are a surplus compared to jobs, so these jobs need to offer people a living wage, they spend more and markets expand making more living wage jobs available.
yeahmonWatch this
http://www.youngcons.com/shark-tanks-kevin-oleary-schools-cnns-erin-burnett-on-obama-economics-and-the-1/
ndyeI am an advocate of single payer health insurance, not the Affordable Care act. The Affordable Care act albeit having some things I like, along with many things I do not like, is not the form of healthcare I believe to be the best for the U.S.
There will always be lazy people, that is unavoidable, I do believe the percentage is a lot smaller than mainstream media would like us to believe however.
ndyeIt is everyone's problem now, under universal health care, you wouldnt have to save that money because you would have health care guranteed, and you wouldnt have to pay for Joe Dirt's fuck up on health care savings.
yeahmonSo just to clear up he water are you against a free market
louie.miragsI agree bias media likes to paint the picture of the welfare queen which is mostly bullshit. But, I do know people who are not doing their fair share and that will always be a problem to me.
Yup, it is everyone's problem and that is what I do not like. With the universal healthcare the money would still have to come from somewhere via taxes. So, the government would just decide who gets to benefit the most. And for example, education is government ran and look at where they're at.
yeahmonI think as citizens we need to stop relying on the government to solve all of our problems we need to go out and fix them our selves I believe the only place he government should have in our lives is to protect us
"The governments job should be to protect citizens lives not to run there lives" -Ronald Reagan
ndyeI am against a completely free market in which those with are able to take advantage of those without. Its like a game without rules, if there arent rules, the biggest and strongest tend to beat the shit out of those who are not as well equipped.
ANDR01DLol, I'm sure real, solid, unbiased info is coming out of a site called Young Conservatives
If you click on the link it is actually clip from a CNN show
yeahmonBut in socialism it is all equal no one can truly thrive and wouldn't you want the opportunity to thrive in business
ndyeThats communism, not socialism. Everyone is not equal in a democratically socialist country. You don't know the difference between the two...
yeahmonEnlighten me
ndyeIn communism, everyone is essentially equal which squashes the ability to excel, and be successful based off your individual innovations.
In a socialist state, many things, such as higher education and healthcare, are built in a way that allows for people regardless of income to access them, higher incomes are taxed at greater percentages, there will still be income inequality.
Idologically: people who make a lot of money will still be rich, however they will have to pay more into utilities, and social structures than in a completely free market. People who have nothing will have the tools available to remove themselves from poverty. Raised wages for the middle class bolster the economy by increasing spending.
ndyeAnd it is much more complex than that even, I encourage you to look at many European nations which embrace these principles.
yeahmonEnlighten me
ndyeIn communism, everyone is essentially equal which squashes the ability to excel, and be successful based off your individual innovations.
yeahmonI think as Americans we need to stop looking at other countries as role models and we need to look back to the constitution it sets an incredible model for how a country should be run
yeahmonI think as Americans we need to stop looking at other countries as role models and we need to look back to the constitution it sets an incredible model for how a country should be run
yeahmonI think as Americans we need to stop looking at other countries as role models and we need to look back to the constitution it sets an incredible model for how a country should be run
ndyeHahah dude what? Democratic socialism does not in itself go against any part of the constitution. You're reaching to defened the idea that this is bad without having an argument against it, especially since you didnt know what I was even talking about till a few posts ago?
onenerdykidWhy is it so?
In fact, our founding fathers were big fans of European political theory. One of the things logic teach us is that you don't look to who said what, you look at what they said. That means if someone has a good idea, you should listen to it regardless of where they are from.
American politics was not founded in a vacuum on its own, without any influence from outside. And it shouldn't be viewed that way now. If there is a better idea somewhere, it should be embraced for the sake of the common good and its people.
yeahmonI think as citizens we need to stop relying on the government to solve all of our problems we need to go out and fix them our selves I believe the only place he government should have in our lives is to protect us
"The governments job should be to protect citizens lives not to run there lives" -Ronald Reagan
Granite_StateJust curious, how old are you?
Also, I find it funny you posted that quote, mainly because Reagan began the war on drugs, which in essence, is dictating what someone can do with their own body. Not to mention it is a ridiculous waste of money, our money. Prohibition doesn't work, history has proven that. By outlawing drugs you create a violent, illicit demand.
yeahmonThere is still not much choice in socialism you have to go to whatever doctor the government tells you to, you have to go to whatever school the government tells you to, you have to give a large portion of your income up to the government
yeahmon16 and I agree that was really dumb really as absurd as the prohibition on alcohol
yeahmon16 and I agree that was really dumb really as absurd as the prohibition on alcohol
yeahmonThere is still not much choice in socialism you have to go to whatever doctor the government tells you to, you have to go to whatever school the government tells you to, you have to give a large portion of your income up to the government
Granite_StateI figured. You seem quite niave, which is fine you are young and haven't experienced much of the world. I'd bet your parents are conservative too and influence what politcal views you have. But you seem to want to learn, which is also good. My advice would be to educate yourself on both sides. Read about communisn, read about socialism, and read about capitalism and learn the differences. Like it or not capitalism is failing this country, like mentioned, creating a growing wealth gap in this country. When you start paying your own insurance, your own expenses in general your views will certainly change. But its cool you want to learn and I cant give you shit for that
yeahmonThere is still not much choice in socialism you have to go to whatever doctor the government tells you to, you have to go to whatever school the government tells you to, you have to give a large portion of your income up to the government
S.J.Wno offence kid, but you're 16. You don't know shit about politics, world views or anything. You're just rehashing whatever your parents views are (probably). You're not even old enough to vote. Wait until you have real world experience before you make up your mind on whether you're left or right wing.
yeahmonanother problem is in big corporations who can lobby for laws and tax cuts that are in the best interest of the company,
yeahmonMy parents are both quite moderate, but on the matter of capatilism it is not failing our country Obama crazy taxing, as well as the affordable care act are failing our country, our problem is not in capatilism it's self, our problem is we are trying to move away from a true capatilism, another problem is in big corporations who can lobby for laws and tax cuts that are in the best interest of the company, I still very much believe capatilism is a wonderful idea when it is not mixed with the government
