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S.J.WBecause a fetus doesn't develop a conscious until 24 weeks and after that it is illegal to have an abortion. And rightly so. But before that, what's the difference between a fetus and me shooting off to pornhub into my crusty sock? But don't preach about abortion being murder while at the same time eating meat.
yeahmonit says in the bible god made the animals for us to use
S.J.WOkay, you've got to be a troll. No one is that stupid to use the bible as evidence to back up their argument. Good troll kid, good troll.
S.J.WOkay, you've got to be a troll. No one is that stupid to use the bible as evidence to back up their argument. Good troll kid, good troll.
yeahmonwhy is it not valid to use gods guide for our life to back up arguments?
S.J.WBecause no god has ever existed. God will never exist and religion is one of the biggest factors holding back our society progressing into a greater age.
yeahmonwhy do you deny that a god exists. explain your reasoning?
yeahmonwhy do you deny that a god exists. explain your reasoning?
S.J.WBecause a fetus doesn't develop a conscious until 24 weeks and after that it is illegal to have an abortion. And rightly so. But before that, what's the difference between a fetus and me shooting off to pornhub into my crusty sock? But don't preach about abortion being murder while at the same time eating meat.
S.J.WEvolution. Science disproving anything the bible has to say. Noahs Ark, life after death, all the bullshit wars religion creates. Each religion claims to be the only religion you should follow. I could go on but I cant be fucked to
ScaredwhiteboySo if you knock up your wife and at 23 weeks some guy punches her in the stomach causing a still birth, that isn't murder in your eyes?
yeahmonscience and evolution can coeexist quite well with god. god is the catalyst the one who sparked all life. i will pray for you man it is sad that you have denied your creator. how do you get buy with out faith, without just losing all hope?
yeahmonscience and evolution can coeexist quite well with god. god is the catalyst the one who sparked all life. i will pray for you man it is sad that you have denied your creator. how do you get buy with out faith, without just losing all hope?
yeahmonscience and evolution can coeexist quite well with god. god is the catalyst the one who sparked all life. i will pray for you man it is sad that you have denied your creator. how do you get buy with out faith, without just losing all hope?
mirozYou are too young to know what you're talking about. Having faith is not bad in and of itself but you sound naive and uninformed. Threads for when I can reply in full.
yeahmonscience and evolution can coeexist quite well with god. god is the catalyst the one who sparked all life. i will pray for you man it is sad that you have denied your creator. how do you get buy with out faith, without just losing all hope?
las.Believing and praying to an imaginary sky wizard, of whom you have no evidence, is the only thing getting you through the day? What does that say about you?
Also, science and religion are, at the core, completely incompatible
yeahmonwhy is it not valid to use gods guide for our life to back up arguments?
.MASSHOLE.Glad to see you're so open-minded to learning new things.
yeahmonYeah californiagrown you just sound ignorant
californiagrownI quoted the wrong post of yours up here. Whoops.
Says the guy using the bible for his logical reasoning.
onenerdykidWhich god is more valid than another god? And how can you be certain?
Which religious text is more valid than the other religious texts? And how can you be more certain?
To another point you brought up, some religions place (such as Jainism) place all life on an equal moral level. In their eyes, you are committing a great evil by killing and eating animals.
Ultimately, because any religion uses an unseen/untested/unproven prime cause as their sole justification for anything and everything, using "because god said so" holds no weight for those who do not share the same faith as you.
You need to use deductive reasoning, logic, and facts to argue with people. If your religious beliefs coincide with that, then that's great. But you need to use that first, not religion first.
yeahmonI am anti murder i really just dont understand why you think murder is ok
las.Believing and praying to an imaginary sky wizard, of whom you have no evidence, is the only thing getting you through the day? What does that say about you?
Also, science and religion are, at the core, completely incompatible
Granite_StateYou keep avoiding the point he raises. And its certainly not murder in the 1st trimester.
Also solid post by masshole.
yeahmonDude you are arguing that ISIS isn't a real threat, do you even realize how ridiculous that sounds.
yeahmonDude you are arguing that ISIS isn't a real threat, do you even realize how ridiculous that sounds.
MACAQUEISIS is a threat to the Middle East, but not North America (yet). The United States is pretty much untouchable from any large scale threat. Sure, extremists can carry out attacks on American soil, but occasional bombings are inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. Terrorist attacks are scary as an American, but they don't pose any real danger in your everyday life.
ISIS with long-range, nuclear weapons though, is a threat. I'm confident that our intelligence is good enough for us to know when we need to intervene. I think we should be aware of the possibility of ISIS getting WMDs but up until that point I don't think we should be involved in the conflict. Unless we're going to start a REAL war we should stay out of the Middle East. I'm skeptical as to how much air strikes actually accomplish. We may kill combatants, but more are just going to be turned against the West with every bomb dropped.
Food for thought: http://www.vice.com/read/we-asked-a-military-expert-if-the-whole-world-could-conquer-the-united-states
yeahmonWho says it doesn't. Prove it. Viability is not the test for life. http://www.thesurvivaldoctor.com/2013/02/07/when-does-life-begin-medical-experts-debate-abortion-issue/
.MASSHOLE.The likelihood of ISIS gaining nuclear weaponry is close to zero. Between the US, Iran, Israel, and Saudi Arabia, there is enough interest to prevent this from coming even close to fruition.
MACAQUEAgreed. But the key words are "close to zero".
MACAQUEAgreed. But the key words are "close to zero".
S.J.WI don't think anyone can really make an accurate statement regarding IS and WMD. And any media outlet won't give you any factual information because it's all fear mongering bullshit.
yeahmonI'm not to young to understand that faith is wonderful it can get you through some really though shit because you have someone to rely on.
californiagrownMasshole has admitted many, many times in this thread that he says dumb things.
As for you, you don't believe in civil unions for same sex couples, correct? You are a goddamn bigot who doesn't give a fuck about human rights. Ban it in church all you want, but for our govt to treat people wholly differently and not afford them equal rights based purely upon their sexual orientation is disgusting and wrong.
But legalizing marijuana is some that you like? Sounds about right you 16 yr old, sheltered trustafarian mental midget.
mirozYou are young and you are naive, regardless of your faith. I respect you for your faith and dedication. You're right, a lot of people find help in faith. That doesn't make it real.
Suppose life exists on another planet, in another galaxy far, far away. This life would be, by definition, alien. If they are faithful to a god that is completely distinct from yours, whose is the true god? Certainly, they can't worship our god, because our god has supposedly stated that he's all about humans.
One of the pillars of science is that the scientist observes a phenomena impartially to derive repeatable results that others can also repeat. Religion is neither of those things. There was a thread a while back where milkman tried to convince people that religious science was legit. For the most part, it's a joke.
There are obviously some things that science cannot currently answer now, but someday, we will understand these things. We once thought the earth was flat and that the sun and stars revolved around the earth? Such arrogance! Is arbitrarily assuming that the creator chose to make humans special another example of that arrogance? Time will tell.
Regardless, religion and science do not get along. Religion has always tried to answer the questions we humans cannot. However, as (1) science progresses and people make observable, repeatable, and understandable discoveries, and (2) the general population becomes smarter and can understand these results, religion has to forfeit some of these "answers" it once preached as truth.
I'm not an atheist. I hate organized religion. It preys on people's deepest fears and exploits them to feed the governing institution. It's just so illogical. If someday, there is clear, observable, and repeatable proof that a god exists, then I will believe. But until then, it is impossible to know. Ancient texts, word of mouth, and interpretations of other people's "experiences" is not proof of a higher power, and certainly not one that can be understood by humans.
Do yourself a favor and make an effort to start looking at things more objectively. You believe the things that others have told you, but what have you seen and experienced for yourself? Can you tell us, without quoting religious scripture, why your religion is more true than all the other religions of the universe? I hope that as you get older you will reflect on your spirituality, your experiences, and the observable world around you.
yeahmonhonestly what is your deal dude attack my ideals I have no problem at all with at but stop attacking me personally that is not productive for anyone here.
I don't agree that the people that are against gay marriage are called bigots and old school. That's not it at all. We don't hate that person we hate what they do. And if they're allowed their opinion why can't heterosexuals be allowed their opinion? If this is such a free country that everyone talks about.
yeahmonI know everyone is gonna call me crazy for this but you just have to have faith that he is the one true God. And if you try hard enough you can just feel the holy spirt, at least I do. God is very real you can't tell me when you are skiing you don't feel his presence in the majestic mountains. Why is it that everyone hops on the God train when the plains going down?
S.J.WIf I can't be gay because it's against your religion, you can't eat that cookie because I'm on a diet.
mirozI can tell you that, it's called brain chemistry and psychology. Observable, repeatable science. And for the people who "hop on the god train," it's because of Pascal's wager.
Dude, you didn't even try.
yeahmonNo one ever claimed you can't be gay, in Islam however that is not the case.
S.J.WNo you said you hate what they do. And don't throw around accusations to one religion that they can't be gay, when your own religion claims you can't be gay either in Leviticus 18:22
Curious do you do any of these things???
Like to see woman wearing sexy clothes? Yep, that's banned in the bible
Masturbate? Yeah, you can't do that anymore
Watch porn? Good bye big booty bitches
Can't wear jewelry either.
Do you eat bacon?
Tear your clothes?
Don't you dare get a tattoo.
Remarriage after divorce.
Can't spread rumours
Woman can't speak in churches either
Can't have premarital sex either.
Can't wear any two materials either
Can't eat seafood either
Can't work on Saturday either
Can't get a bowl cut either
Can't trim your beard either
Can't get divorced either.
Now if you can tell me that you don't do any of those things, then you have my blessing to hate on gays, go ahead. But don't preach one section of the bible whilst committing sin by doing any of those listed above.
yeahmonDidn't even try?
mirozTo open your mind and think about the universe outside the box that someone made for you. Whether you decide to go back into your box or not can depend on what you find when you step out, but if you want to be conservatively sure that the position you now hold is right, it's something you have to do.
yeahmonWe all sin but that doesn't mean we should promote sin I hate that I sin I really wish I didn't. And I am not totally against gay marriage, the fact of the matter is that is a state right!
S.J.WYes marriage is a state right, but that wasn't the issue. The issue was that it went against the 14th amendment of all laws being equal. You can't have a law that singles out someone. Imagine if a state said blacks weren't allowed to marry, that goes against the 14th amendment. Same with gay marriage.
By all means have your religion, just don't force it down peoples face and tell other people how to live by your religion.
yeahmonWell then polygamy should be legal, beasteyality should be legal, marrying a sibling should be legal, were do we draw the line?
yeahmonWell then polygamy should be legal, beasteyality should be legal, marrying a sibling should be legal, were do we draw the line?
yeahmonWe all sin but that doesn't mean we should promote sin I hate that I sin I really wish I didn't. And I am not totally against gay marriage, the fact of the matter is that is a state right!
