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CIA Torture Report

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saskskier
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How is there no thread on this yet? Apparently some pretty nasty interrogation techniques were used against terror suspects without positive results following 9/11 and then they lied about these results to the White House.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/12/09/cia-misled-congress-about-terror-interrogations-torture-report-finds/

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/09/politics/top-takeaways-cia-torture-report/index.html

http://www.vox.com/2014/12/9/7360823/cia-torture-roundup

Discuss.
Dec 9 2014 6:16PM
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Utard
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zzzskizzzI don't care about that,if these torture methods actually got us valuable information like the Bush administration claimed it did. I would have no problem with that, but yeah we were just torturing people for the hell of it, and I am against that.


Cool so you're pro-torture as long as it gets us "valuable information?" How about for criminal investigations? In fact, why don't we just torture everyone in the US to make sure none of us are hiding anything from the govt.

"Hey Smokey McPotts, we're not actually sure if you sell weed but we're going to torture you anyway just to check if you have valuable information."

-zzzskizzz
Dec 17 2014 10:01PM
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qazwsxedc34
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UtardCool so you're pro-torture as long as it gets us "valuable information?" How about for criminal investigations? In fact, why don't we just torture everyone in the US to make sure none of us are hiding anything from the govt.

"Hey Smokey McPotts, we're not actually sure if you sell weed but we're going to torture you anyway just to check if you have valuable information."

-zzzskizzz


But it doesn’t get us any information.
Dec 17 2014 10:47PM
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rtl32
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Frenchy in this thread
Dec 18 2014 12:26AM
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SpookyCat
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rtl32Frenchy in this thread


What are you talking about? I don't see one piece of shit in that picture.
Dec 18 2014 12:56AM
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.frenchy
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JenniferGarnerWhat are you talking about? I don't see one piece of shit in that picture.


>toilet paper

>says "bring it" for incoming shit storm

>because it's toilet paper

get it?!?!?!!?
Dec 18 2014 1:49AM
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deleted5
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UtardCool so you're pro-torture as long as it gets us "valuable information?" How about for criminal investigations? In fact, why don't we just torture everyone in the US to make sure none of us are hiding anything from the govt.

"Hey Smokey McPotts, we're not actually sure if you sell weed but we're going to torture you anyway just to check if you have valuable information."

-zzzskizzz


U mad bro? Being a weed dealer, and being a terrorist are not the same thing. But again, and you seem to have missed this point torture doesn't work, therefore we shouldn't be doing it.
Dec 18 2014 7:28AM
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SpookyCat
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.frenchy>toilet paper

>says "bring it" for incoming shit storm

>because it's toilet paper

get it?!?!?!!?



No one cares if you're alive.

get it!?!?!?!? lolkim done with this thread lolzstupidliberals :^] im just jking!! lol!!!!!
Dec 18 2014 8:43AM
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Hamburgaler
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JenniferGarnerNo one cares if you're alive.

get it!?!?!?!? lolkim done with this thread lolzstupidliberals :^] im just jking!! lol!!!!!


Jennifer there is a reason you have only 1k Karma with 1000 posts...
Dec 18 2014 8:54AM
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tacotom
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zzzskizzzU mad bro? Being a weed dealer, and being a terrorist are not the same thing. But again, and you seem to have missed this point torture doesn't work, therefore we shouldn't be doing it.


completely off topic, but this guy has the coolest avatar I have ever seen on here. so that's that
Dec 18 2014 11:16AM
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Utard
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zzzskizzzU mad bro? Being a weed dealer, and being a terrorist are not the same thing. But again, and you seem to have missed this point torture doesn't work, therefore we shouldn't be doing it.


If your only criterion is that torture gets us "valuable information" then how can you determine in a non-arbitrary manner who gets tortured and who doesn't? That's the fucking problem with torture: at what point do you get to say that torture is justified? I realize that torture doesn't work, but that's only ancillary to the fact that torture is just morally wrong full-stop. If your only objection to torture is that the particular methods we used didn't work then you're also committed to saying that we just need new methods to torture people, and sorry my man but that's still messed up. I don't want to live in the only developed, civilized country that still fucking tortures people.
Dec 18 2014 3:17PM
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deleted5
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UtardIf your only criterion is that torture gets us "valuable information" then how can you determine in a non-arbitrary manner who gets tortured and who doesn't? That's the fucking problem with torture: at what point do you get to say that torture is justified? I realize that torture doesn't work, but that's only ancillary to the fact that torture is just morally wrong full-stop. If your only objection to torture is that the particular methods we used didn't work then you're also committed to saying that we just need new methods to torture people, and sorry my man but that's still messed up. I don't want to live in the only developed, civilized country that still fucking tortures people.


Cool man that's your opinion, I draw the line at a terrorist. You think they're morally right and deserve to be treat at equals. They are an enemy of war, and will kill you and me in a heart beat if they had the chance. If we can stop that group by getting information from torture I'm all for it. But again we didn't so we shouldnt.
Dec 18 2014 3:54PM
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Utard
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zzzskizzzCool man that's your opinion, I draw the line at a terrorist. You think they're morally right and deserve to be treat at equals. They are an enemy of war, and will kill you and me in a heart beat if they had the chance. If we can stop that group by getting information from torture I'm all for it. But again we didn't so we shouldnt.


Again, that's morally arbitrary. "Terrorist" is a completely vague term which encompasses Osama and the people who flew planes into the trade towers all the way down to people who sneak video cameras into slaughterhouses to film cows being run over with forklifts. Should animal rights "terrorists" be liable to torture as well? Also, by your criterion you have no grounds on which to criticize the US's torture practices detailed in this report, because I'm sure the CIA thought it would get "valuable information" at the time. If something is wrong, it's wrong at the moment it happens. It doesn't become wrong at some point later on after it happened.
Dec 18 2014 5:53PM
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GayWolf420
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HamburgalerJennifer there is a reason you have only 1k Karma with 1000 posts...


woah, get a load of mr. big man with 6207 karma points. careful guys, hes keeping you all in check.
Dec 18 2014 5:56PM
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cobra_commander
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HamburgalerJennifer there is a reason you have only 1k Karma with 1000 posts...


top 10 dumbest things anyone has ever posted on this forum. And that is saying something.
Dec 18 2014 5:59PM
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.RYAN66
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well i'll put my two cents into this shit storm again.


part of the torture was an experiment. and one of those was the good cop bad cop game. they would torture the individual and then see if he was more likely to give the information to the person giving him to torture or if we would confide in the good guy and get the torture to stop. so by that logic the torture did help them get information however it doesnt play into the statistics yall are using.
Dec 19 2014 12:36AM
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Scaredwhiteboy
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Am I the only one who doesn't give a shit whether we get valuable information from the terrorists? If we know they're terrorists (aka we can prove it in a court of law), make those fuckers suffer.
Dec 24 2014 12:23AM
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louie.mirags
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ScaredwhiteboyAm I the only one who doesn't give a shit whether we get valuable information from the terrorists? If we know they're terrorists (aka we can prove it in a court of law), make those fuckers suffer.


Well, you're wrong. Quoting from the first article listed in OP

At least 26 of the detainees didn’t meet the standards for being held, according to the report.

The harsh interrogations weren’t effective and didn’t produce key information that led to the killing of Osama bin Laden, contrary to claims by program supporters.

Contrary to claims by the agency, the brutal methods didn’t lead U.S. officials to the identity of bin Laden’s courier, Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, a finding that helped uncover the al-Qaida leader’s location, according to the findings.

The committee reviewed 20 of the most frequent and prominent examples of interrogation cases that the CIA claimed produced valuable information. None of the cases showed that information was obtained that saved lives or that couldn’t have been gleaned from other means, according to the findings.
Instead, the panel found that the CIA used interrogation techniques that differed significantly from those authorized by the Department of Justice and described to U.S. policy makers and lawmakers, according to the summary.

Releasing the findings will give terrorists fresh ammunition to escalate their violence and put the lives of additional U.S. officials and allies at risk, said Representative Mike Rogers, a Michigan Republican and chairman of the House intelligence committee.
Dec 24 2014 11:17AM
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Scaredwhiteboy
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louie.miragsWell, you're wrong. Quoting from the first article listed in OP

At least 26 of the detainees didn’t meet the standards for being held, according to the report.

The harsh interrogations weren’t effective and didn’t produce key information that led to the killing of Osama bin Laden, contrary to claims by program supporters.

Contrary to claims by the agency, the brutal methods didn’t lead U.S. officials to the identity of bin Laden’s courier, Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, a finding that helped uncover the al-Qaida leader’s location, according to the findings.

The committee reviewed 20 of the most frequent and prominent examples of interrogation cases that the CIA claimed produced valuable information. None of the cases showed that information was obtained that saved lives or that couldn’t have been gleaned from other means, according to the findings.
Instead, the panel found that the CIA used interrogation techniques that differed significantly from those authorized by the Department of Justice and described to U.S. policy makers and lawmakers, according to the summary.

Releasing the findings will give terrorists fresh ammunition to escalate their violence and put the lives of additional U.S. officials and allies at risk, said Representative Mike Rogers, a Michigan Republican and chairman of the House intelligence committee.


How can I be wrong? I stated an opinion. Opinions, by definition, aren't right or wrong. You must have misread my post.
Dec 24 2014 1:26PM
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louie.mirags
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ScaredwhiteboyHow can I be wrong? I stated an opinion. Opinions, by definition, aren't right or wrong. You must have misread my post.


I showed you how you were wrong. You must have misread my post...

you said "Am I the only one who doesn't give a shit whether we get valuable information from the terrorists?"

And I pointed out to you how the studies show they didn't receive any valuable info.
Dec 24 2014 1:34PM
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Scaredwhiteboy
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louie.miragsI showed you how you were wrong. You must have misread my post...

you said "Am I the only one who doesn't give a shit whether we get valuable information from the terrorists?"

And I pointed out to you how the studies show they didn't receive any valuable info.


You don't read well do you?
Dec 24 2014 2:24PM
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louie.mirags
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ScaredwhiteboyYou don't read well do you?


The committee reviewed 20 of the most frequent and prominent examples of interrogation cases that the CIA claimed produced valuable information. None of the cases showed that information was obtained that saved lives or that couldn't have been gleaned from other means, according to the findings.
Dec 24 2014 2:31PM
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Scaredwhiteboy
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louie.miragsThe committee reviewed 20 of the most frequent and prominent examples of interrogation cases that the CIA claimed produced valuable information. None of the cases showed that information was obtained that saved lives or that couldn't have been gleaned from other means, according to the findings.


You're deconstructing a straw man that only exists because your english comprehension skills are subpar. Just shut up.

Like seriously, what about me saying I don't care whether or not torture returns useful information would make you think that you should talk about whether or not torture returns useful information. You are the dumbest of the dumb.
Dec 24 2014 3:15PM
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louie.mirags
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Scaredwhiteboywhat about me saying I don't care whether or not torture returns useful information would make you think that you should talk about whether or not torture returns useful information. You are the dumbest of the dumb.


you support torture even though it is against International rules and it doesn't even help our cause. And I am the dumb one.... got it
Dec 24 2014 3:20PM
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Scaredwhiteboy
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louie.miragsyou support torture even though it is against International rules and it doesn't even help our cause. And I am the dumb one.... got it


You can't fucking read. Of course you're the dumb one.
Dec 24 2014 3:21PM
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louie.mirags
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ScaredwhiteboyYou can't fucking read. Of course you're the dumb one.


Dec 24 2014 3:26PM
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Anti_Panda
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louie.mirags


Youre wrong. He says he doesnt give a shit about any intel...he just is happy bad dudes got beat to shit.

Not sure how you missed that. Are you reading left to right or right to left. I bet youre reading right to left, its cool...it happens to the best of us.

Try reading what he said again starting at the left side and work your way to the right word by word. When you get to the end of a line go to the line below it and repeat.

Shit...i just wasted my time writing this and now i realize it wont make any sense because youre gonna read it right to left.
Dec 24 2014 3:59PM
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Stinging_Roger
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They used song's such as the gummy bear song and "the real slim shady" to torture them. The most extreme of all torture methods...
Dec 24 2014 8:24PM
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louie.mirags
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Anti_PandaYoure wrong. He says he doesnt give a shit about any intel...he just is happy bad dudes got beat to shit.

Not sure how you missed that. Are you reading left to right or right to left. I bet youre reading right to left, its cool...it happens to the best of us.

Try reading what he said again starting at the left side and work your way to the right word by word. When you get to the end of a line go to the line below it and repeat.

Shit...i just wasted my time writing this and now i realize it wont make any sense because youre gonna read it right to left.

Tl;dr
Dec 25 2014 8:56AM
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