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saskskier
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How is there no thread on this yet? Apparently some pretty nasty interrogation techniques were used against terror suspects without positive results following 9/11 and then they lied about these results to the White House.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/12/09/cia-misled-congress-about-terror-interrogations-torture-report-finds/

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/09/politics/top-takeaways-cia-torture-report/index.html

http://www.vox.com/2014/12/9/7360823/cia-torture-roundup

Discuss.
Dec 9 2014 6:16PM
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theabortionator
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.frenchyTRY AGAIN.

You should have paid more attention in school instead of jerkin' it to commies all day!

(THUMBS UP!)


Sioux me

.RYAN66I wish you could go over there and see the way those "people" look at us. women and children look at you with fucking evil in their eyes. you know that if they had the gun in their hands you would have been dead a long time ago. In my opinion this was one thing that i actually saw displayed accurately in a movie, if you watch the scene in Lone Survivor and see the younger mans eyes. it is really accurate, they want to kill us.

I am not some psycho who wants people dead, or tortured, however when you see someone look at you like that you wont care what happens to them so long as you leave on that plane breathing.


What were ypu expecting? Scott stapp waiting there with arms wide open?

Its not like we'd be stoked if there were foreign troups here in america.
Dec 11 2014 12:48AM
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skithesprings
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.frenchyWe become terrorists to the terrorists? OH NO!!!!

And i'm pretty sure some people wouldn't mind waterboarding high level terrorists. It's to save damn American lives your ignorant shithead.




Copy pasta from my response to an idiot who posted similar sentiments on Facebook, his post stated that he didn't understand why people made a big deal about torture.

"Sorry, but this is a topic I feel pretty strongly about, and I need a five minute hiatus from studying. No hard feelings, just voicing my opinion.
It could be the individuals that are wrongly accused, imprisoned, and tortured despite having nothing to confess. Or say they are without a doubt guilty; torture based interrogations have an overwhelming tendency to produce false information. There have been no scientific findings that prove torture to be an effective means of interrogation. A desperate, psychologically unstable detainee is likely to tell interrogators whatever they "want" to hear to escape being tortured, which only perpetuates further misinformation. Interestingly enough, statistics actually show that use of torture by the US is counterproductive, as it is the number one recruiting tool used by terrorist organizations, which are notorious for using the practice themselves.
Guilty or not, torture is also morally unacceptable. In a system based on upholding law and order, torture not only undermines that foundation, but lowers institutions that allow it to the level of the individual being tortured. It's difficult to promote a nation-wide image of justice and superiority as a world power when utilizing barbaric practices such as torture.
As with most rights that are rapidly disappearing in this country, we often see the birth of such atrocities in war. Take for instance, the Patriot Act. We as Americans have waived nearly every aspect of our privacy under the guise of "protecting Americans" and catching terrorists. Or perhaps the domestic use of unmanned aircraft to monitor civilian activity. The emotional appeals used to limit firearm possession also come to mind. How long will it be until torture is passed off under the same excuse? I know I'm not the only person bothered by the rapid police militarization we're seeing in this country."
-Me

“Only a psychopath can torture and be unaffected. You don’t want people like that in your organization. They are untrustworthy, and tend to have grotesque other problems.” - Joe Navarro, FBI

Those of you who support this shit are disgusting.
Dec 11 2014 11:14AM
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.frenchy
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skithespringsThose of you who support this shit are disgusting.


Oh yeah man, i'm the disgusting one because I wanna get information out of high value terrorist suspects, to save innocent lives.... You got me!!!!!
Dec 11 2014 11:42AM
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El_Barto.
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.frenchyOh yeah man, i'm the disgusting one because I wanna get information out of high value terrorist suspects, to save innocent lives.... You got me!!!!!


To be honest i dont really are about the intel...i just wanna fuck some shit up and make some bad dudes suffer
Dec 11 2014 12:02PM
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skithesprings
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.frenchyOh yeah man, i'm the disgusting one because I wanna get information out of high value terrorist suspects, to save innocent lives.... You got me!!!!!


Yes, you are. I sincerely hope you're trolling. Do you realize how astonishingly fucked up it is that you're giving the go-ahead to torture someone because they MIGHT know something useful? You're telling me that if someone is SUSPECTED of a crime we as a nation have the RIGHT to take them from their home, torture them, and if they turn out to be innocent, you just say, sorry buddy, carry on. Even if they're guilty, why torture? Do you gain some sort of pleasure from humiliating people? Or torturing someone to the point they're begging for death, only to bring them back so you can do it again? I don't know how anyone could be so fucked in the head.
Dec 11 2014 12:15PM
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Da_Buddha
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relevant
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/742798/Cockmeat-Sandwich
Dec 11 2014 12:32PM
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Kreech
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Moon_ShoesNot really. American prisons are fucking Comfort Inn's compared to ISIS/Al-Qaeda/Taliban prisons.


I'd hardly call being stuffed in a box too small to get out of the fetal position for days on end and being deprived of sleep for days because the guards loudly blast death metal into your cell and having food forcefully shoved up your asshole and getting water boarded 80+ times "world class". If you want to see world class prisons, look at Sweden. The mere fact that you're directly comparing the prisons of the United States - the most powerful country in the world - to the prisons of some raggedy ass band of terrorists that behead people on tape says a lot. We should hold ourselves to a much higher standard than that.
Dec 11 2014 2:26PM
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SKI.ING
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theabortionatorOh shut up already.


You know nothing about me, and you're post is bad to the point where I don't even feel it deserves a response.


Glad to see my statement refutes your idea to the point of no response. Sorry I didn't up vote your blind popular opinion.

And I don't need to know you in order to know that you don't need to know everything this country does.
Dec 11 2014 8:29PM
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jibbpeter
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The only thing i find surprising about this, is that the reports got released.
Dec 11 2014 8:41PM
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.frenchy
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The down-votes are what really feeds me, shows me i'm really gettin you kids butt hurt behind your computer screens!!!! :^)
Dec 11 2014 9:58PM
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theabortionator
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SKI.INGGlad to see my statement refutes your idea to the point of no response. Sorry I didn't up vote your blind popular opinion.

And I don't need to know you in order to know that you don't need to know everything this country does.


That's why I didn't respond. Are you still in middle school. I bet you have the best comebacks at recess.

;)
Dec 12 2014 12:33AM
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.RYAN66
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theabortionatorSioux me



What were ypu expecting? Scott stapp waiting there with arms wide open?

Its not like we'd be stoked if there were foreign troups here in america.




my point being is that war isnt pretty. something that is not portrayed over here well at all. Its different over there man.

War used to have some sort of common ground with the enemy. POW's had rights. We were all the same. they fought for their country and I fought for mine, we may hate each other but we respect each other. Not anymore, we do not fight an army. we fight women, children, and the men that convince them that strapping a bomb to them or out in the street is a good idea. You dont know who your enemy is. You cant treat a kid like a kid, he could have a bomb strapped to him. he could just be here to see how close he could get to us before we threaten to shoot him.


I'm sorry but i hate hearing someone talk about something that you have never experienced.

lets think about this too, they are in GITMO, howd they get there? clearly we find these people highly valuable. its not cheap to put them on a plane and fly them there.
Dec 12 2014 1:00AM
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skithesprings
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.RYAN66its not cheap to put them on a plane and fly them there.


Yes it is. Not to mention, conservative estimates place the ratio of wrongfully imprisoned detainees at one in five, although it is thought to be even greater because there are so many false admissions of guilt, you know, because that's what happens when you're tortured.

Doesn't anyone get this? If you were naked, locked in a cold, tiny concrete cell for what seemed like an eternity, fed through a tube up your ass, then subjected to water-boarding, and I told you that it could stop if you admitted you were guilty, it doesn't matter what the crime is, it doesn't matter if you're innocent or guilty, you're going to say you did it, because at that point you truly believe, in your desperate, traumatized brain, that whatever the penalty for the crime, it couldn't possible be as bad as what you're going through now.

That is why torture isn't effective. It's not a matter of opinion, this is fact.
Dec 12 2014 5:52AM
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.RYAN66
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skithespringsYes it is. Not to mention, conservative estimates place the ratio of wrongfully imprisoned detainees at one in five, although it is thought to be even greater because there are so many false admissions of guilt, you know, because that's what happens when you're tortured.

Doesn't anyone get this? If you were naked, locked in a cold, tiny concrete cell for what seemed like an eternity, fed through a tube up your ass, then subjected to water-boarding, and I told you that it could stop if you admitted you were guilty, it doesn't matter what the crime is, it doesn't matter if you're innocent or guilty, you're going to say you did it, because at that point you truly believe, in your desperate, traumatized brain, that whatever the penalty for the crime, it couldn't possible be as bad as what you're going through now.

That is why torture isn't effective. It's not a matter of opinion, this is fact.



please enlighten me how cheap it is. hourly running cost is about 12k for a c17. and these are prisoners right, so they arent paying for a ticket to fly there. that does not include maintenance and ground expenses.

Torture is effective at getting information from a suspect. even the most highly trained resistance expert has his limits. As someone who has gone through resistance training and probably had all of that done to me minus the ass stuff which is just weird. it really is not that easy to break someone. they will more than likely give up on you unless it is someone like UBL who would have lots of information and be trained.
Dec 13 2014 5:49PM
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Monsieur_Patate
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.RYAN66Torture is effective at getting information from a suspect. even the most highly trained resistance expert has his limits. As someone who has gone through resistance training and probably had all of that done to me minus the ass stuff which is just weird. it really is not that easy to break someone. they will more than likely give up on you unless it is someone like UBL who would have lots of information and be trained.


I'm sorry man, but that where you're wrong, you have a way too simplistic vision of the matter.
Just look it up, you'll find that all the studies made on the topic concluded that torture gives, at best, inconclusive intelligence, if not completely unreliable.

This is just a fact, not an opinion. A man will say anything to get out of torture, it does not mean he will give quality and reliable intelligence, and it fact, in most cases, he does not.

Add to this fact the number of innocent people tortured, and the fact that it goes against everything the US claim to stand for, and now weight in the pros and cons.

The US torturing people will help terrorist organization recruit, it will help them gain sympathy, and the US and their allies will loose credibility. More people will die because of this. And for what ? Non-reliable useless intelligence ?

You have some people coming to your country and claiming to be the good guys, to fight for human rights, freedom and everything. And in the back, they torture people including innocents, without any form of trial like it's 1352 ?

Well, I'm sorry, but they just fucked up, and I have yet to see a fact to prove me otherwise.
Dec 13 2014 7:48PM
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.frenchy
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Monsieur_PatateI'm sorry man, but that where you're wrong, you have a way too simplistic vision of the matter.
Just look it up, you'll find that all the studies made on the topic concluded that torture gives, at best, inconclusive intelligence, if not completely unreliable.

This is just a fact, not an opinion. A man will say anything to get out of torture, it does not mean he will give quality and reliable intelligence, and it fact, in most cases, he does not.

Add to this fact the number of innocent people tortured, and the fact that it goes against everything the US claim to stand for, and now weight in the pros and cons.


Terrorist organizations will recruit no matter what, nice try.


And the killing of Osama can directly be linked to the CIA waterboarding/"torture" that's how they found osamas informant, leading to the position of Osama Bin Ladens compound, and that's a fucking FACT.
Dec 13 2014 11:36PM
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icculus.
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Just.Go.With.ItI'll just copy and paste

Those know to be withholding information should have had a finger cut off with a knife coated with nitric acid and be waterboarded every time they refused to answer a question. The world is a cruel place and saying that it is inhumane to treat someone in such a way that wouldn't think twice about doing it to you is idiotic. How do you think Americans we treated in Viet Cong POW camps? I bet a hell of a lot worse than Vietnamese were treated under the Americans. We can not try to be a "role model" and limit our tactics on getting what we need as a country. The world is a cruel place, and those who oppose that fact don't get very far, adapt or die.
As for her releasing that information I am 100% against it. There are certain things that we the public do not need to know for are own good and for the safety of our service and ex service members


Thats a really childish response.. "They started it!!".. uhh and yes we are supposed to be a fucking role model if our "job" is to continue to invade countries and shove democracy down there throats we should show that we can do it correctly and this is not that.
Dec 14 2014 10:06AM
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icculus.
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.frenchyTerrorist organizations will recruit no matter what, nice try.


And the killing of Osama can directly be linked to the CIA waterboarding/"torture" that's how they found osamas informant, leading to the position of Osama Bin Ladens compound, and that's a fucking FACT.


nope. you are wrong. American intelligence officials discovered the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden by tracking one of his couriers...
Dec 14 2014 10:32AM
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Monsieur_Patate
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.frenchyTerrorist organizations will recruit no matter what, nice try.


And the killing of Osama can directly be linked to the CIA waterboarding/"torture" that's how they found osamas informant, leading to the position of Osama Bin Ladens compound, and that's a fucking FACT.


Haha, sure man, they'll recruit no matter what, so let's make their job easier ?
It's like saying people will die of car accidents no matter what, so we should let people drive drunk, remove all the speed limits, and not do anything to try and reduce those accidents.
You must be some sort of genius.

As to your 'fact', I'm glad you brought that up, because in fact, the killing of Bin Laden has nothing to do with torture, look it up.

I'll give you the relevant part:

"“The vast majority of the intelligence” about the Qaeda courier who led the agency to Bin Laden “was originally acquired from sources unrelated to the C.I.A.'s detention and interrogation program, and the most accurate information acquired from a C.I.A. detainee was provided prior to the C.I.A. subjecting the detainee to the C.I.A.'s enhanced interrogation techniques,” the Senate report said."

So yeah, nice try indeed.

Still no fact to prove me wrong, but please, keep trying.
Dec 14 2014 10:35AM
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SpookyCat
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.frenchyTerrorist organizations will recruit no matter what, nice try.


And the killing of Osama can directly be linked to the CIA waterboarding/"torture" that's how they found osamas informant, leading to the position of Osama Bin Ladens compound, and that's a fucking FACT.


Oh really? Have fun watching the 1 minute video where its stated that the most useful info. came from someone who wasn't tortured yet and from other assets such as people on the ground and overhead surveillance. You really are a fucking moron. http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/10/opinion/bergen-torture-path-to-bin-laden/
Dec 14 2014 10:39AM
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.frenchy
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icculus.nope. you are wrong. American intelligence officials discovered the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden by tracking one of his couriers...


They found his courier from water boarding the sept 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, you fucking kids know nothing, only basing your views off what you hear off CNN. It has been said from G.W Bush, Dick Cheney, several HIGH RANKING CIA OFFICIALS, as well as Leon Panetta (Defense Secretary) that the water boarding of Khalid and Mohammad al-Qahtanilead them to find the whereabouts of Bin Laden.

here's the first site I found after looking it up.... Not some biased site like CNN hahahaha.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/8491509/Osama-bin-Laden-killed-CIA-admits-waterboarding-yielded-vital-information.html




JenniferGarnerOh really? Have fun watching the 1 minute video where its stated that the most useful info. came from someone who wasn't tortured yet and from other assets such as people on the ground and overhead surveillance. You really are a fucking moron. http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/10/opinion/bergen-torture-path-to-bin-laden/


Hahahahaha CNN. Fuck off. Way to use one of the most biased news networks out there to back you claims up you dumbass. Keep on believing what you hear the senate say, like Dianne Feinstein who has a personal vendetta against the CIA all of a sudden... They briefed her on what happened at gitmo MANY years ago...
Dec 14 2014 11:08AM
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.frenchy
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Monsieur_Patatethe Senate report said."


AHAHHAHAHAA THE SENATE REPORT.... YEAH, because the senate can be trusted so easily.... Try using sources that aren't CNN or the Senate...






+Who would of thought some hippy kid with a greatful dead icon from burlington VT would be against water boarding high value terrorists.... oh wait
Dec 14 2014 11:11AM
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Monsieur_Patate
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.frenchyAHAHHAHAHAA THE SENATE REPORT.... YEAH, because the senate can be trusted so easily.... Try using sources that aren't CNN or the Senate...


Are you seriously saying that the head of the organization finger pointed for this whole mess is a more reliable source ? That he is not going to try and justify his poor decisions by saying this ?

We'll just leave it at that, no point in dragging this endless debate on and on, I just hope you'll grow to use your critical judgement someday and realize the world does not stop at your door.

We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one!
Dec 14 2014 11:31AM
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msg
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I sincerely hope someone takes a shit on frenchys head
Dec 14 2014 3:22PM
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shocker611
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BlurstSome of you guys are right fucked.

If America really is this beacon of hope in a deteriorating world shouldnt they alone be the ones who are practicing what they are advocating?

Yah these people organized the largest mass civilian casualty event in American history, and I get that this is really important to Americans because of the amazing job your government has done at convincing you that this was the most evil act ever perpetrated against any humans ever, so I can understand why you have completely forgotten that these are people as well. Putting them in a box the size of a mini fridge, doing fake executions, drowning them to near death, attacking them mentally and sexually, and holding them without any charges or the slightest chance that they will ever see a fair trial, just makes them hate Americans more. This just goes to show why "the global force for democracy" as your military ads say, is not at all a global force of democracy but a global force of imperialism and destruction who is only just barely holding onto any global dominance they once had.

Torture is not cool no matter what.


Alright it sounds like this motherfucker needs freedom. Where are we invading next?
Dec 14 2014 4:15PM
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.frenchy
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Monsieur_PatateAre you seriously saying that the head of the organization finger pointed for this whole mess is a more reliable source ? That he is not going to try and justify his poor decisions by saying this ?


I gave a lot more names than just 1.... You trust Feinstein and CNN more? LOL

stucciI sincerely hope someone takes a shit on frenchys head


Go away kid.
Dec 14 2014 4:35PM
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Utard
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.frenchyThey found his courier from water boarding the sept 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, you fucking kids know nothing, only basing your views off what you hear off CNN. It has been said from G.W Bush, Dick Cheney, several HIGH RANKING CIA OFFICIALS, as well as Leon Panetta (Defense Secretary) that the water boarding of Khalid and Mohammad al-Qahtanilead them to find the whereabouts of Bin Laden.

here's the first site I found after looking it up.... Not some biased site like CNN hahahaha.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/8491509/Osama-bin-Laden-killed-CIA-admits-waterboarding-yielded-vital-information.html






Hahahahaha CNN. Fuck off. Way to use one of the most biased news networks out there to back you claims up you dumbass. Keep on believing what you hear the senate say, like Dianne Feinstein who has a personal vendetta against the CIA all of a sudden... They briefed her on what happened at gitmo MANY years ago...


Fuck off little bitch

"Days after the raid in Abbottabad, former Attorney General Michael Mukasey wrote an op-ed titled “The Waterboarding Trail to Bin Laden.” The intelligence that led to the raid, Mukasey asserted, began with a disclosure from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM), who broke like a dam under the pressure of harsh interrogation techniques that included waterboarding. He loosed a torrent of information — including eventually the nickname of a trusted courier of bin Laden.6 It later became apparent that this account was wrong. KSM hadn’t revealed the courier’s alias. According to an American official familiar with KSM’s interrogation, KSM wasn’t asked about al-Kuwaiti until the fall of 2003, months after his waterboarding had concluded.7 KSM reportedly acknowledged having known al-Kuwaiti but told his interrogators al-Kuwaiti was “retired” and of little significance.8 Supporters of enhanced interrogation nevertheless continued to claim that the program had led to bin Laden’s death. A month after the raid, former CIA director Michael Hayden acknowledged that Mohammed had never revealed the courier’s name."

"The first detainee to tell U.S. officials about al-Kuwaiti appears to have been Mohammed al Qahtani, whose military interrogation, including torture, at Guantánamo in November and December 2002 is discussed elsewhere [see Chapters 1 and 6]. According to a government intelligence assessment of al Qahtani, in 2003 al Qahtani told interrogators that he had received computer training in Pakistan from an operative named Ahmed al-Kuwaiti.11 Al Qahtani said al-Kuwaiti had taken him to an Internet café in Karachi to show him how to use email. But according to Bergen, there was “no sense as of yet” that al-Kuwaiti was bin Laden’s trusted courier."

-The Constitution Project's Task Force on Detainee Treatment, pg 245-246
http://detaineetaskforce.org/report/
Dec 14 2014 6:12PM
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SpookyCat
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here's the first site I found after looking it up.... Not some biased site like CNN hahahaha.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/8491509/Osama-bin-Laden-killed-CIA-admits-waterboarding-yielded-vital-information.html






Hahahahaha CNN. Fuck off. Way to use one of the most biased news networks out there to back you claims up you dumbass. Keep on believing what you hear the senate say, like Dianne Feinstein who has a personal vendetta against the CIA all of a sudden... They briefed her on what happened at gitmo MANY years ago...[/QUOTE]


OK don't trust CNN, then google and use the 20 other different sources that report the same thing. There are plenty others out there for your lazy, dumb ass to gawk at. That article you posted is stating that the CIA claimed their techniques revealed vital info. Its a fact the CIA has been lying to everyone about their "enhanced interrogation" techniques and the effectiveness of said techniques. So you're willing to trust one of the most untrustworthy and sketchy government agencies over a biased news organization that's reporting the same exact thing as every other news organization?

You have some logic there, bud.
Dec 14 2014 6:47PM
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.frenchy
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Learn to quote buddy.


I'm right, you're all wrong. No need to get so butt hurt guys!!
Dec 14 2014 8:40PM
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SpookyCat
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.frenchyLearn to quote buddy.


I'm right, you're all wrong. No need to get so butt hurt guys!!



You've posted more than anyone and all your posts resemble a 12-year-old kid immaturely freaking out... you can stop pretending that everyone else is "butt hurt" because its painfully obvious that you're caring way too much about this and are trying too hard to get your sheltered and baseless opinion accepted.

"omg like so much lies! you're not right becuase the CIA said so. i hate terrorists and the US only targets terrorists!!! its a fact!!! HAHAHAHAH STUPID LIBERALS!!!"

That's what your posts are like and you look like a complete jackass.
Dec 14 2014 8:55PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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.frenchyThey found his courier from water boarding the sept 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, you fucking kids know nothing, only basing your views off what you hear off CNN. It has been said from G.W Bush, Dick Cheney, several HIGH RANKING CIA OFFICIALS, as well as Leon Panetta (Defense Secretary) that the water boarding of Khalid and Mohammad al-Qahtanilead them to find the whereabouts of Bin Laden.

here's the first site I found after looking it up.... Not some biased site like CNN hahahaha.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/8491509/Osama-bin-Laden-killed-CIA-admits-waterboarding-yielded-vital-information.html






Hahahahaha CNN. Fuck off. Way to use one of the most biased news networks out there to back you claims up you dumbass. Keep on believing what you hear the senate say, like Dianne Feinstein who has a personal vendetta against the CIA all of a sudden... They briefed her on what happened at gitmo MANY years ago...


I wouldn't trust Bush, Cheney, or any of those CIA officials as far as I could throw them. But then again I dont trust CNN or any main stream media source either to be honest.

But what if I told you Bin Laden had already been dead 7 years before they "killed" him? Do some research, some interesting stuff comes to light. Not taking a side on the topic, just food for thought.
Dec 14 2014 9:01PM
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.boz
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JenniferGarnerYou've posted more than anyone and all your posts resemble a 12-year-old kid immaturely freaking out... you can stop pretending that everyone else is "butt hurt" because its painfully obvious that you're caring way too much about this and are trying too hard to get your sheltered and baseless opinion accepted.

"omg like so much lies! you're not right becuase the CIA said so. i hate terrorists and the US only targets terrorists!!! its a fact!!! HAHAHAHAH STUPID LIBERALS!!!"

That's what your posts are like and you look like a complete jackass.


Honestly this. I don't think that any of his posts are serious, they simply can't be.

Scratch that, I don't want to believe that they're serious, it hurts my brain.
Dec 14 2014 9:19PM
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.frenchy
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.frenchyLearn to quote buddy.


I'm right, you're all wrong. No need to get so butt hurt guys!!


Funny because jennifergarner thought this post was serious. lol.


And Granite... I'll look into it, I've heard that before many times actually but still believe he was alive until the raid in Pakistan.
Dec 14 2014 11:22PM
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SpookyCat
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.frenchyFunny because jennifergarner thought this post was serious. lol.


And Granite... I'll look into it, I've heard that before many times actually but still believe he was alive until the raid in Pakistan.


If you didn't care, you wouldn't take the time to try to convince everyone you weren't being serious in the first place. If you weren't being serious then you wouldn't care if people believed that you were being serious... it shows you care too much about how people view your online person therefor, you could not have been joking. You really are that fucking dumb and I'm sure others on here can attest to that even when you're not posting on this site or in real life.

I know nothing about you but your few posts in this thread but I can already tell you're a sheltered, narrow-minded moron that doesn't consider anything else but what goes along with what your rich and possibly racist parents told you. I feel sorry for you... no wait nevermind, I really don't care at all about your existence. Go hang a minority, solve the crisis in the middle east or go jump off a 10 story building and play chicken with the earth. I could care less.
Dec 15 2014 9:17PM
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.frenchyLearn to quote buddy.


I'm right, you're all wrong. No need to get so butt hurt guys!!


you're seriously just embarrassing yourself. the genuine ignorance you have carried through this whole thread cant be covered up by playing the trolling card now that everyones picking on you. we all know you're a lunatic now.
Dec 15 2014 9:34PM
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Utard
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JenniferGarnerIf you didn't care, you wouldn't take the time to try to convince everyone you weren't being serious in the first place. If you weren't being serious then you wouldn't care if people believed that you were being serious... it shows you care too much about how people view your online person therefor, you could not have been joking. You really are that fucking dumb and I'm sure others on here can attest to that even when you're not posting on this site or in real life.

I know nothing about you but your few posts in this thread but I can already tell you're a sheltered, narrow-minded moron that doesn't consider anything else but what goes along with what your rich and possibly racist parents told you. I feel sorry for you... no wait nevermind, I really don't care at all about your existence. Go hang a minority, solve the crisis in the middle east or go jump off a 10 story building and play chicken with the earth. I could care less.





God fuckin finally someone said what everyone was thinking
Dec 15 2014 10:20PM
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yuckyou're seriously just embarrassing yourself. the genuine ignorance you have carried through this whole thread cant be covered up by playing the trolling card now that everyones picking on you. we all know you're a lunatic now.


If you thought that post was serious, then lol. it's a fuckin joke dude, I couldn't care less that people are "picking" on me... Hahahahaha.


Yeah, i'm a lunatic because I want terrorist tortured, lol okayyyy buddy.


Haven't read Jenifer's post yet, don't plan on it. :^)
Dec 15 2014 11:07PM
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.frenchyIf you thought that post was serious, then lol. it's a fuckin joke dude, I couldn't care less that people are "picking" on me... Hahahahaha.


Yeah, i'm a lunatic because I want terrorist tortured, lol okayyyy buddy.


Haven't read Jenifer's post yet, don't plan on it. :^)


People who don't care and only joke around don't try to convince others they didn't read a post that just ripped them a new one when everyone knows you did read it. Way to further prove my point that you're pathetic. Now go have fun overcompensating in real life, trying to convince yourself you're really not that shitty of a person and you were just "trolling".
Dec 16 2014 10:35AM
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Nothings perfect and nothing ever will be. Everyone probably tortures everyone anyways. Just because we're viewed as the strongest nation doesn't mean we should always be holding our "standard" that everybody thinks we should be at. Everyone saying that the torture is wrong and evil are the people that still believe the world is supposed to be one gigantic happy place, when really it's supposed to be whatever we make it, and this is what we've made of it. Oh well....
Dec 16 2014 11:25AM
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Iraq_LobsterNothings perfect and nothing ever will be. Everyone probably tortures everyone anyways. Just because we're viewed as the strongest nation doesn't mean we should always be holding our "standard" that everybody thinks we should be at. Everyone saying that the torture is wrong and evil are the people that still believe the world is supposed to be one gigantic happy place, when really it's supposed to be whatever we make it, and this is what we've made of it. Oh well....


oh well? It is like we kill a bunch of innocent civilians in the middle east when we are targeting one known terrorist and then say "oh well? Remember 9/11? Never forget! murcia!"
Dec 16 2014 11:30AM
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anybody interested in hearing a hilarious, well spoken libertarian comic speak on this topic go here: https://soundcloud.com/potp-dave-smith/part-of-the-problem-12-14-14-mixdown

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Dec 16 2014 11:32AM
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JenniferGarnerPeople who don't care and only joke around don't try to convince others they didn't read a post that just ripped them a new one when everyone knows you did read it. Way to further prove my point that you're pathetic. Now go have fun overcompensating in real life, trying to convince yourself you're really not that shitty of a person and you were just "trolling".


Nah I actually didn't read it judging by the fact it was a long wall of text and I was outside fishing. Nice try buddy, i'm doneski with this thread lol, obviously I was serious the whole thread until I said "i'm right, you're all wrong" i'm not that big of a fuckwad.
Dec 16 2014 11:34AM
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.frenchyNah I actually didn't read it judging by the fact it was a long wall of text and I was outside fishing. Nice try buddy, i'm doneski with this thread lol, obviously I was serious the whole thread until I said "i'm right, you're all wrong" i'm not that big of a fuckwad.


You were outside fishing and yet you're busy posting and reading the threads on NS trying to convince people you're really not an ignorant shithead... You must be such a cool dude to hang with. "i'm done with this thread lol" shows me everything I need to know about your pathetic ass.
Dec 16 2014 11:56AM
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you guys must've watched a lot of 24 if you think this is okay.
"right well pulling innocent people out of their homes and torturing them until they give us forced confessions or die so that we can start wars and then killing them soon after (if we didn't already) so they can't say anything about it is totally fine as long as i can sit in my house and write ignorant shit online without worrying about terrorism."

1. a lot of the people tortured were innocent

2. the methods used were above and beyond to the point of fatality and making the perpetrators sick and cry (reminder: done to innocent people), one that stood out for me was force-feeding prisoners through their anus for no reason other than torture.

3. it isn't even working, and you're still scared of terrorists, even though you're perfectly safe and comfortable in your torture-free probably-not-even-as-innocent-as-the-victims life.

the CIA should be ashamed, and just because they work for the American government doesn't mean that you should trust them (actually, that's a pretty good reason not to), or support the crimes they've committed.
Dec 16 2014 1:16PM
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k-robyou guys must've watched a lot of 24 if you think this is okay.
"right well pulling innocent people out of their homes and torturing them until they give us forced confessions or die so that we can start wars and then killing them soon after (if we didn't already) so they can't say anything about it is totally fine as long as i can sit in my house and write ignorant shit online without worrying about terrorism."

1. a lot of the people tortured were innocent

2. the methods used were above and beyond to the point of fatality and making the perpetrators sick and cry (reminder: done to innocent people), one that stood out for me was force-feeding prisoners through their anus for no reason other than torture.

3. it isn't even working, and you're still scared of terrorists, even though you're perfectly safe and comfortable in your torture-free probably-not-even-as-innocent-as-the-victims life.

the CIA should be ashamed, and just because they work for the American government doesn't mean that you should trust them (actually, that's a pretty good reason not to), or support the crimes they've committed.


you're speaking truth and you get downvoted.... The opinions on NS are really baffling me
Dec 16 2014 2:59PM
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Iraq_LobsterNothings perfect and nothing ever will be. Everyone probably tortures everyone anyways. Just because we're viewed as the strongest nation doesn't mean we should always be holding our "standard" that everybody thinks we should be at. Everyone saying that the torture is wrong and evil are the people that still believe the world is supposed to be one gigantic happy place, when really it's supposed to be whatever we make it, and this is what we've made of it. Oh well....


"The world sucks and therefore you should absolutely never ever say or do anything to try and make it a better place."

Congratulations buddy on that total knockdown of an argument
Dec 16 2014 6:38PM
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Utard"The world sucks and therefore you should absolutely never ever say or do anything to try and make it a better place."

Congratulations buddy on that total knockdown of an argument


we've been trying to make it a better place for what? Our entire lifetime?Well where have we gotten? Nowhere. Everything just keeps getting worse and worse, nothing will ever get truly better. Some conflicts will stop and people will think "hey the world is better now". Then another conflict will start and we are right back where we started. It's a total losing battle. It sucks major cock that the world works like this, but it is what it is. Just gotta keep on movin on.....
Dec 16 2014 11:04PM
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Moon_ShoesI can't be the only one who doesn't care if we torture terrorists.


The problem here isn't that we tortured terrorists, I don't care about that. The problem is we spent 81 million (that's just what the doctors who worked on the project made, I can't even imagine how much money was actually spent on doing this) and we didn't get anything from the torture. Nothing the terrorists said turned out to be true and there was no positive outcome from this torture. It was just a huge waste of money and time, that's the problem.
Dec 16 2014 11:12PM
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Iraq_Lobsterwe've been trying to make it a better place for what? Our entire lifetime?Well where have we gotten? Nowhere. Everything just keeps getting worse and worse, nothing will ever get truly better. Some conflicts will stop and people will think "hey the world is better now". Then another conflict will start and we are right back where we started. It's a total losing battle. It sucks major cock that the world works like this, but it is what it is. Just gotta keep on movin on.....


I'll have to remember that next time I go to a slave auction. Shut the fuck up.

zzzskizzzThe problem here isn't that we tortured terrorists, I don't care about that. The problem is we spent 81 million (that's just what the doctors who worked on the project made, I can't even imagine how much money was actually spent on doing this) and we didn't get anything from the torture. Nothing the terrorists said turned out to be true and there was no positive outcome from this torture. It was just a huge waste of money and time, that's the problem.


No, the problem is that we FUCKING TORTURED PEOPLE which is against domestic and international law and basic fucking common sense morality. What about that don't you understand?
Dec 17 2014 1:55AM
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UtardI'll have to remember that next time I go to a slave auction. Shut the fuck up.



No, the problem is that we FUCKING TORTURED PEOPLE which is against domestic and international law and basic fucking common sense morality. What about that don't you understand?


I don't care about that,if these torture methods actually got us valuable information like the Bush administration claimed it did. I would have no problem with that, but yeah we were just torturing people for the hell of it, and I am against that.
Dec 17 2014 4:11PM
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