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For those who've actually seen Fahrenheit 9/11

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Jibtech
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Welp, its in theaters, I went and saw it... Wether you think its a load of horse shit, you think micheal moore is god, or you sit somewhere inbetween, I'd recomend seeing it.

I'd be interested to see what people think that have ACTUALLY SEEN IT as well.








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Jun 25 2004 11:37PM
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Lateralis
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mr micheal moore is a fat jehovah slut


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Jun 26 2004 12:14AM
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mattwalker
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that shit was sold out for 40 minutes before i got there... had to go see dodgeball instead... i will see it later on this week


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Jun 26 2004 12:15AM
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bigJ
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Well I saw it tonight, and frankly I was disappointed. The media played it up to much as an expose and damning film that would actually have an effect on the upcoming election. Well I can honestly saw that this film would not swing one voter on the fence even if was all greased up. I thought it was simply bad filmmaking and I found Bowling For Columbine much more intriguing and interesting. I went and saw it with a couple of friends who were a little more moderate and a little less die hard republican then myself, and on several occasions I had to convince them not to walk out of it during the Bush bashing. I was prepared for the Bush bashing so I just about overlooked that aspect of the film, however there were parts that drew my attention and angered me.

1) Moore jumps from fact to fact about Bush but never draws a line. In the beginning of the film Moore just stated fact after fact about Bush and the Bin laden family and the Saudi Royal family, yet he had no evidence to back up his claims of some sort of arms dealing conspiracy with the Bush family. Instead he relies on assertion and speculation to drive his point home. He supplies no concrete evidence to support his claims.

2) Moore targets the soldiers of the United States armed forces, yet he later tries to defend them against Bush. In the first segment about the Iraq war Moore depicts the soldiers as dimwitted country bumpkins who just want to shoot some 'towel heads' and listen to hard rock. However, later he tries to side with the soldiers against Bush and the war. He is a blatant hypocrite who switches sides to maintain his audience.

3) During the segment with the congressmen Moore states that only one congressman has a child who is enlisted in the armed forces. However, this excludes the number of officers that are commissioned in the armed forces. It is just another one of Moore's tricky plots to deceive his audience.

IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO READ, DO READ THIS

Honestly, I don't care if you go see this movie because I don't think that it is well made enough to change anyone's vote. Even all the liberals who were in the theater with us gave it a lackluster 3 second applause and the one person yelled, 'Don't vote for Bush' and then everyone filed out neat and orderly to have a cigarette. I love the fact the Liberals in NC know that their vote won't matter and don't even try to fight it and they just remain semi-apathetic to the whole situation. Regardless, if you see this movie, don't go around regurgitating Moore's arguments and points, but find your own. Don’t let Moore think for you, find your own reason to hate the war and Iraq, but don't use his.











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Jun 26 2004 12:48AM
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Papa
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i wanna see it, for once you have an american who is not scared to point out the shit that goes on and tell it as it is, rather than saying oh we're the best lets go save the world again






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Jun 26 2004 1:19AM
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Jibtech
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'don't go around regurgitating Moore's arguments and points, but find your own.'

Funny don't you think, thats what the left has been saying about Rush and O'Reily for years... how many conservatives swear they are gods gift to politics and run around regurgitating their arguments? Thats right, a fucking shit load. Its pretty amusing to finaly hear a right wingger saying the same about a liberal talking head. Don't you guys feel special now? You finaly have someone to hate on!

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Jun 26 2004 1:29AM
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I saw it and i liked it. He takes facts, lays them out, then gives his opinion, then makes fun of bush. it was great.





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BaHAHAHAHA now we have someone to hate do you realize how many crazy left wing kooks there are. Sure they are not all in the public light because OReily and Rush have succesfully ridden their bias to Showsa and $. All the left wingers just bitch and moan and make such outrages claims NO ONE ON TV cares to hear it! The movie was a big let down and wouldnt even have been worth the ticket price if it were at the dollor theatre. Thats why i didnt pay to see it.




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Jun 26 2004 9:30AM
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bigJ
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The movie was a huge let down from a liberal aspect, it wasn't sold out, and no one seemeed to glean anything from it. It was just a 'documentary' and it will not change peoples minds about Bush. I came out of it being more conservitive, hating Iraqis even more, and wanting to be even more active in the republican grassroots front. So, in my opinion, the movie was all hype and had little substance and just layed out an eradic and random argument that concretely said only one thing, Bush likes to go on vacation, and that is it.










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Jun 26 2004 10:37AM
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saucerboy84
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moore just gave the facts, backed them up for the most part and let the audience make their own opinions and theories.

republicans wouldnt hate the movie if they werent scared that w wont win the election this year.
Jun 26 2004 12:54PM
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bigJ
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I don't hate the movie, and I don't see it as a threat because all it is, is a movie that makes liberals want to vote for Kerry and makes republicans want to call Moore a douche and thats it, not the big persausive film it was made out to be










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Jun 26 2004 1:08PM
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it was tooo long, but bush is made out to be a dumbass. Like when he is trying to do that quote
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Jun 26 2004 1:27PM
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wntrwill
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I think this movie will do alot of good for Kerry, Bush really was made out to be a fool in the movie. There was alot of clear 'spinning' on Micheal Moore's part, and alot of his bashes on Bush were taken out of context, so they weren't quite the blows they were intended to be. Yet all in all this movie will make people look for some change, as the Bush party seems to be in it just for themselves and nto for the American people.
Jun 26 2004 1:47PM
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What I find pretty amusing is that the starter of this thread would be interested on what other people have to say, but then immediately gets defensive when an organized and responsible repost is made that is not in favour of said thread starters' views.

No I have not seen it yet, but will. Im not a big fan of Moore, but I found Bowling for Colombine pretty interesting whether I agreed or not.


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Jun 26 2004 1:48PM
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SVHucker
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every show's been sold out around here; I'll probably go see it this week.

as conan talked about last night with michael moore, it has been a long time since the left in this country has really stood up for itself against the loud, angry, powerful white men in right wing media outlets; this movie is about rallying the troops and getting people excited about politics and this election, which is good, no?
Jun 26 2004 2:40PM
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I saw it last night. I think that it was good, but a lot of the stuff in there was taken way out of context. If his goal was to make Bush look like a fool and convince people not to vote for him he did his job. BUT, I think if you look to this movie as a fair telling of the facts you're looking in the wrong place. While I'm by no means a Bush supporter, I was somewhat disappointed in Michael Moore, because I think he could have done a better job. Remember, everyone has their own agenda. But Vote Kerry.



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Jun 26 2004 3:43PM
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Jibtech
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I didn't get defensive, I was just commenting on somthing that I found ironic in his response. I think its pretty easy to take what peole say on a message board out of context. If I was being defensive about it I would have argued back on his points he made.

He's entiteld to his opinon, and even if I disagree with it, its still his right as an american to voice it, just as its Moore's right to voice his opinion.








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Jun 26 2004 4:06PM
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huckster989
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i thought the movie helped bring a lot of issues to people who usually wouldn't look this deep into a presidents past. Anything that helps get more people politicaly active is a good thing becasue thats the problem is that people don't care and think that they can't make a differnce in the gov't. we need a much higher level of political efficacy in this country especilly amoungst younger voters.

As for bush in general and a lot of his connections to oil and the saudis i think it raises an interesting question of what he and his close friends and family members have to gain through his actions which are intern the actions of our contry. I disagree with A LOT of his policies especilly his stance on womens and gay rights and the idea of the draft.

thats just my 2 cents
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i'm neither left wing nor right wing i'm just one of those dudes that doesn't give a shit and works at the taco stand down the street.
Jun 26 2004 4:38PM
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Nickskier
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Conan said the perfect thing last night (looking at this thread confirms it)... no matter if you agree or disagree it gets you thinking and talking about it, not too many movies do that.
Jun 26 2004 4:59PM
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does it have anything to do with the book fahrenheit 451? cause thats waht i thought but then i heard hte 911


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Jun 26 2004 5:49PM
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Jun 26 2004 6:02PM
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'he just gave the facts' well it doesn't really count when you only give half of the facts. Don't you think most of what he was trying to point out in the movie could have been ciincidence? I mean rich political people, know other rich political people. And that fat bitch who's kid died, what a dumb cunt drain on socitey she was.


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whoever said that at least there's someone not afraid to speak out against the war/bush... uh, hibernating season is over. the media is liberal, the papers and news are always showing whiney picketers that have nothing better to do, and the media is always showing the bad/liberal pleasing side to the war. in conclusion, he's the millionth person to not be afraid to speak out against it. the afraid people should be the ones like me who have the balls to support it.

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it doesnt come out here yet, somethign about not enough copies, i was bummed
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Jun 28 2004 1:02AM
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saucerboy84
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the media is not liberal...all those shows on fox news are sooo republican, and not mention katie couric and that fag matt lauer tearing into mike moore during his interview on the today show...you think they would ask bush difficult or controversial questions, of course not...
Jun 28 2004 3:40PM
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saucerboy84
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also, what are the good things that the news should be showing. obviously the war is making so many americans lives better...wait, no
Jun 28 2004 3:42PM
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General_Shredgnar
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It was a great movie. Im a fan man, Ive read all the books and seen all the movies.
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Jun 28 2004 5:31PM
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UpDawg
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Saw the film this evening.

I thought Moore did a good job of putting the film together, and he gets me questioning.

But here's a question: for those of you that don't think the Bush bashing was well founded- can it really be coincidental that the majority of the shots involving Bush portray him as an absolute moron? All presidents have had their moments, but it seems that whenever I see Bush giving a speech or attempting to answer a question, he just studders through his statement and makes no sense overall.

I enjoyed the film overall. I'm glad that Moore produced the film.

And I'll be voting for Kerry.
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I need to see it. If I could vote it would be for Kerry, I just can't stand Bush. I especially get screwed because of his poor education policies.


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Jul 5 2004 1:56AM
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Your news is probably censored, but up here I already knew about most of the stuff... Arbusto and that shit, it was all in the news. There wasn't much new, except the thing about the pipeline in Afganistan. Well, at least no one, even the most conservative bitch in the world, can deny that George W. Bush is one hell of a fucktard.
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Jul 5 2004 10:18AM
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'theres an old saying in tennesse, well its in texas but Im sure its in tennesse too. Fool me once, shame on you. YOu cant fool me...' he then goes on and babbles some incohierent crap



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Jul 5 2004 10:38AM
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'theres an old saying in tennesse, well its in texas but Im sure its in tennesse too. Fool me once, shame on you. YOu cant fool me...' he then goes on and babbles some incohierent crap



Jesus saves!

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Jul 5 2004 10:39AM
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well about an hour and a half of the movie was really boring and it just said stuff that I've heard a million times. The other half hour was kinda funny and interesting.

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Jul 5 2004 10:49AM
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Girays_Brother
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its a bunch of liberal communist bullshit



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Jul 5 2004 2:50PM
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^ I take it you didn't see it. And there's a huge difference between something left-winged and communist, just as there is between something right-winged and totalarian.
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Jul 5 2004 3:13PM
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Girays_Brother
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suck my balls i did see it and that guy should be kicked outta the u.s



i pee on ur face but i dont care..
i take off ur little sisters underwear
shes only three so shes never seen a wee wee
so i told her it was a lollypop and the flavor was salty.
shoved in her mouth, it punctured through her cheek broke the glasses of that three year old geek.
r. kelly did the same but im not about to give him the blame cuz fucking littles girls is just my game
Jul 5 2004 3:30PM
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flexmacman
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^ Please explain ....You don't have a clue what you're talking about.
Jul 5 2004 4:57PM
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gaay




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Jul 5 2004 4:57PM
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BrodyLeven
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i saw it, and ...it didn't mean a whole lot to me at all.


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Jul 5 2004 6:11PM
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Snubluck
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The today show is way right wing about the war, I though mike moores interview was so cruel, kind of sad. Not that we need more liberal shows or anything it's just i think most shows/papers/magazines/ should stay in the middle.

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Jul 5 2004 7:48PM
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midwestskier69
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saw it, liked it. i hated bush before, but overall i felt that had no difference on what i felt about the movie... because i was going in with an open mind about everything. the movie completely gives oyu every emotion possible, not to mentionfrom my opinion backs up the facts given. who knows, im too lazy to type a lot. late.r
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Jul 5 2004 8:34PM
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bush is the man.



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Jul 5 2004 8:37PM
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Jasmine
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haha the movie was hilarious. it had the whole audience clapping like every five minutes every time mikey dissed out the reps




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Jul 5 2004 8:47PM
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I thought it was pretty good. I learned alot about the Suadi connections.....




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Jul 5 2004 9:07PM
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rossi900
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sorry if someone has already said this but moore has come out and admitted that most of the movie was just clever editing and putting clips together...i personally haven't seen the movie but i read that in the paper a few days back

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Jul 5 2004 9:19PM
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Pipe_Munky
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michael moore is a slimeball piece of shit! all he does is bitch and whine about issues and offers no plausable solutions! maybe if he got his fat ass into a gym he'd be able to get a woman and spend less time on making these slanderous films!


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Jul 5 2004 9:58PM
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UpDawg
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He's got every right to go out and make these films. This film wasn't produced with the intent of solving any problems- it was produced to expose certain facts in regards to the war and the Bush administration. Bitch all you want, though- you have the right to do so.
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Jul 6 2004 12:01AM
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All micheal moore and ravin liberals ideas are clever editing or lack of the full story. You can take any situation and make it look bad. I just find it very stupid to do so in the war in iraq. Whether you like it or you even beleive it the ppl in Iraq will be 1000x better than they were b4 the war. ITS A FACT. But yea crazy fuckin Bush what a dumb ass!
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