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And Israel will get away with it too.

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C.R.E.A.M
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Sparknotes: shells landed in/near/in front of  a UN international school in gaza, killing 30 instantly and wounding (probably fatally) 50 others.
just watch the movie, i dont see in any way how they can justify this, but looks like the only ramification is going to be an "investigation" into israel's actions.


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Jan 7 2009 12:20PM
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C.R.E.A.M
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ohh fuck me on sunday,

someone embed please

http://online.wsj.com/video/strike-on-gaza-school-kills-many/63336F93-22A8-4032-9B60-1B008C298921.html
Jan 7 2009 12:21PM
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Chronic_
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Jan 7 2009 12:34PM
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C.R.E.A.M
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thanks, check it out guys
Jan 7 2009 1:08PM
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Billek
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You can only terrorize a country so long before something like this happens. Err... I kinda support their move into gaza, but who wants innocent people to die? Thats what makes a fight like this so hard.
Jan 7 2009 1:23PM
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lineskier10
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Israel will get away with it because they weren't trying to kill civilians, unlike Hamas who targets Israeli civilians and hides in places like schools and temples so things exactly like this happen when Israel attempts to retaliate
Jan 7 2009 1:24PM
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lineskier10
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Jan 7 2009 1:27PM
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lineskier10
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^in case you couldn't figure it out the palestinians are on the left
Jan 7 2009 1:28PM
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C.R.E.A.M
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yea but look at the weapons they are up against, can you blame them?

and hammas has no military, they merely fight with every able bodied male, where Israel has a paid military and gets intelligence from American satellites and intelligence agencies.
Jan 7 2009 1:53PM
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SKIDUBAIGUY
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Sometimes i wish that the suffering endured in africa EVERY day could be featured in the news like this has been, but no, that would bore our audince wouldnt it? Who cares about the millions of africans who are dieing through war, starvation and illness, just to name a few, afew bombs going off deserves more attention. Call me cruel or whatever, but the africans need more help right now.
Jan 7 2009 1:58PM
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Slinger1x1
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I fully sopport israel in this war against the palasitineans. Israel is not a terrorist country, there are no jews that intend to kill random people (i.e. sucide bombing and what not). I am jewish, and i know this. Jews are on america's side in the war against terrorism and iraw and iran and afganistan
Jan 7 2009 2:37PM
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Alex_G
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there must be a jewish mod because my extremely palestinian view got deleted. wow you are gay. ban me now because of my completely valid opinion.
Jan 7 2009 2:56PM
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Commonwealth
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Hamas was shooting rockets FROM the school!
Jan 7 2009 3:10PM
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billysexcrime
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when a group of people have been fucked over for literally almost 2 thousand years, and now have the means to defend themselves, they normally dont put up with terrorist-like harassment .
Jan 7 2009 3:20PM
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Slinger1x1
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thats exactly what hamas does^^^

they position themselves so that civilians are involved. israel strikes from army bases, hamas strikes from places like schools or towns. there would be no way to avoid hitting civilians. Hamas does this on purpose
Jan 7 2009 3:22PM
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toominator
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not that i'm pro Palestine, but don't you think the Palestine's have been fucked over too?
Jan 7 2009 3:25PM
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eastcoastsoloMAN
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as that picture up there showed, gthe terrorists are actually using innocent people as body shields
Jan 7 2009 3:26PM
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emopoppins
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hey guys, who gives a fuck about this when there are plenty of uninsured and homeless of our own kind to deal with.
Jan 7 2009 3:29PM
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Alex_G
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hahahaha you douchebag i love it. if they cant let me post my opinion then why not fuck up the thread? good idea.
Jan 7 2009 3:43PM
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dbstar
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pretty misunderstood subject, but basically hamas is getting what they asked for
Jan 7 2009 5:40PM
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ax_murderer
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word.


thread creator you leave a lot of information out that really twists this too look like they bombed a school and killed a bunch of kids....
Jan 7 2009 5:44PM
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KarmaInitiative
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nailed it
Jan 7 2009 6:16PM
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billysexcrime
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if by fucked over you mean losing a small portion of land after WW2 so that the jews could have their own state, then yes they were fucked over. basically I meant the jews have been getting messed with since biblical times.
Jan 7 2009 6:30PM
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Jordan
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thank you.

except for i don't think the civilians have a choice in the matter.
Jan 7 2009 7:06PM
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BigJew
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I like israel. They don't fuck around. I think Hamas has a death wish because there's absoluteley no way they can win.
Jan 7 2009 7:09PM
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intifada
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sounds like a thread full of fucking zionists
Jan 7 2009 7:16PM
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billysexcrime
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Or a thread full of people who dont agree with how Hamas operates...t
Jan 7 2009 7:22PM
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zues
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Jews used to go through this a couple times a month when suicide bombings were going on back in the late 90's. 
Jan 7 2009 7:24PM
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shaked
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yeah pretty much. i was reading a quote today that went something like.. "if the Palestinians put down their weapons, there would be no more war. If the Israels put down their weapons, there would be no more Israel."

it's such a shitty situation because there are so many innocent people dying on both sides, and it doesn't look like it will ever be fully over. so sad.. and btw that video is fucked up, i'm pretty sure that one dude's jaw was missing off his face...
Jan 7 2009 7:42PM
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KravtZ
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ok well israel is a developed country trying to make themselves better while the hamas are just terrorist for the most part trying to eliminate them because they hate jews....

africa is a HOPELESS CAUSE. unlike israel africa is pretty much helpless call me an asshole or watever but how come africa hasnt gotten any better at all even though so many people attempt to help them there usell cause and wasiting peoples money.
Jan 7 2009 7:44PM
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Cuckoo
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WORD, Drew I totally agree with you 100%
Jan 7 2009 7:51PM
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billysexcrime
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You made some good points but I cant totally agree. In every war in the history of humanity there are civillian casualties. It is a harsh reality. Another important detail many people are overlooking is that Israel does not instigate things. the entire country is pretty mcuh in a hostile region, they are just trying to get by here, and if the attacks on Israel stopped I can pretty much guarantee that no Israelis will harass palestine.
Jan 7 2009 8:06PM
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C.R.E.A.M
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yea, i read alot of my news of bbc and from Reuters, don't watch televised news much. so i may not know the name of Angelinas new baby, however i can tell you how many american dollars go to israel every year, and the worlds consensus on the middle east crisis.

i try to introduce information that most people dont get on their own, 99% of newschoolers get there news from their parents, or the television. It wouldnt make sense for fox news to go and bash on the american funded jewish state, when most of the owners of broadcast companies are jewish. not that im implying that they control the media (we all know americans get unbiased and uncontrolled media coverage) however im sure the writers are going to write stories there bosses will like


please dont hate just think, i actually have alot of family in the middle east.
Jan 7 2009 8:07PM
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Alexander_Keith
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Take a look at the map of Israel. I can't believe that shit is internationally recognized.

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^THIS was Israel before 1967. Do the history buffs of NS remember what happened? Oh right Israel pre-emptively struck and illegally occupied every portion of their territory you see in a map today which wasn't originally theres.

Read up on UN resolution 242. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Security_Council_Resolution_242 They're still there illegally.

I thought only Hitler believed in Lebensraum.

Jan 7 2009 8:21PM
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billysexcrime
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You..are dead wrong.....well not dead wrong but definitely not right. Resolution 242 calls for a, beleve it or not, a resolution! Israel and the surrounding arabs need to come to solution together to solve the issue of land division. perhaps israel is in the wrong, or perhaps not. the violence however solves nothing.

and for you to even bring up Lebensraum in the context of Israel's situation makes you a retard.
Jan 7 2009 8:28PM
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C.R.E.A.M
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after world war 2 all the european countries sent the jews from the concentration camps and "moved" them to the middle east (why?) then israel began growing off its boundaries and forced the local residents onto gaza strip. the resolution is the united nations saying that the movment of jews (created by them) is legal by un laws and that there is nothing any countries can do, they have been fighting ever since.
Jan 7 2009 8:32PM
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billysexcrime
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so basically there is nothing anyone can do except *crazy idea* accept jews in the area and talk out a deal.
Jan 7 2009 8:37PM
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JOP178
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That's what those palestinians get for voting for Hamas.  Good choice guys...
Jan 7 2009 8:44PM
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Mike34113
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yeah its a mess and its only gonna get worse

i just hope the US can mind its own business and stay the fuck out. Israel is not one to mess with
Jan 7 2009 8:51PM
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billysexcrime
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Israel wants peace, the United States want peace, Palestinians want peace, however in many cases the Palestinians ask for way to much in these treaties....if Israel doesnt agree, the US certainly wont agree, which equals no treaty...it stems directly from deep palestinian anti-semitism.
Jan 7 2009 8:53PM
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zues
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Hey I'de rather have jets given to Israel than to Hamas.
Also, Hamas is getting their weapons from Iran, who is getting them from Russia.  The rockets that are being fired are in no way homemade.  Just like you laughed at the mention of Afghanistan,  they are involved along with most of the middle eastern countries.  China is now backing Hamas as well.
Jan 7 2009 9:00PM
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Italian.Stallion
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Actually most journalists are liberal, unlike their bosses.  Also the comment about how most owners of big companies are Jewish is kind of antisemitic.

Jan 7 2009 9:02PM
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zues
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Hey, he's got a valid point man.  Africa is not a hopeless cause.  America should be pooring money into Africa rather than Iraq and Afghanistan.  With all the money wasted in the middle east, we could significantly help out people dying of starvation and aids in Africa. 
Jan 7 2009 9:03PM
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mophead
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Couldn't agree more.
Although it's not that it would bore the American audience, its because the American government doesn't give a shit about Africa.
 it doesn't have enough resources to be worth bombing the shit out of.

Unless we infiltrated Sudan to stop the genocide, which would probably lead to war with China.
Jan 7 2009 9:14PM
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Italian.Stallion
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Because it seemed like he was assuming that broadcast owners would be greedy big business and therefore Jewish.

But don't get me wrong because I'm neither for or against Israel because I think it is a very complicated issue that can't be resolved and no one will convince anyone of anything.  Plus I pretty much vote democrat.

Jan 7 2009 9:14PM
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C.R.E.A.M
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Sure alot of the journalists are liberal, im not denying that at all. but what im pointing out is that most of what they write is not show on the news? i didnt make up all the information and stories i read, i just get them from sources like the bbc and yahoo news, who are known to be most factual (not saying they are or arent)

why do you think israel is so amazing anyways? what is your inclination to support that country? the point im trying to make is that most people in the us think israel is good because when american reporters and journalists go there they see the beaches, nice politicans and beautiful women. they go to palestine and they see death and deprivation. Imagine living in a country where all your borders are surrounded by a country that is your moral enemy.

im not trying to change anyones minds here, im just trying to present things in a different manner.
Jan 7 2009 9:15PM
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Italian.Stallion
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Ehh read my last post.
Jan 7 2009 9:23PM
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C.R.E.A.M
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yea like im not kidding


Fact:

Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner   Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company   Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd   Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios   Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc   Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric   Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited   Those seven Jewish men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, Universal Studios, MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, Curb/Universal Records, and Interscope Records
Jan 7 2009 9:25PM
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Italian.Stallion
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Ok cool, I wanted some proof, but journalism is supposed to be unbiased.

Jan 7 2009 9:29PM
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skibum2292
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Let me ask all of you who don't support what Israel is doing a question. What would you do if terrorists were attacking the U.S. and killing our innocent children and bombing our hospitals, government buildings, and such?

BTW: If you didn't say retaliate you are a fucking moron and do not deserve to live in the USA! Terrorists don't want peace! Get it through your heads!
Jan 7 2009 9:39PM
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