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And Israel will get away with it too.

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C.R.E.A.M
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Sparknotes: shells landed in/near/in front of  a UN international school in gaza, killing 30 instantly and wounding (probably fatally) 50 others.
just watch the movie, i dont see in any way how they can justify this, but looks like the only ramification is going to be an "investigation" into israel's actions.


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Jan 7 2009 12:20PM
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C.R.E.A.M
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you sir did not understand the intent of the 9-11 attacks, have you read any of the statements alqueda released? and please dont tell me you think we are in iraq looking for terrorists either.


and please rephrase your question it seemed a little ambiguous.
Jan 7 2009 9:45PM
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whattheshit
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its because of the zionist settlers who thought they were on a mission from god to settle land that wasn't theirs. remember when israel removed them by force several years ago and they literally had to drag them out of their synagogues? those are the people that fuel this fire.

and the attack wasn't pre-emptive to the guy above. it was because nasser expelled the peacekeeping force from the country which was there since the suez incident, then put troops on the israeli border thinking that israel which was western backed was going to retaliate. nasser also blocked off the straits of tiran to all israeli ships.
Jan 7 2009 9:47PM
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C.R.E.A.M
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yea it seems to be common consensus among Muslim nations that the UN placed the Jewish people in Israel knowing there would be outrage, and that they did it to keep the Muslim countries busy trying to "kill the tumor that is Israel"

in the united states we never worry about being blown to bits, this has been the case because all the terrorists have been fighting over in the middle east, the idea that osama binladen had was that they go to the source of the problem, Israel is funded by the US so hit the US right when they dont expect it. look at our economy fall, and reputation burn, america has been limping along ever since.

before any of this nobody knew or gave a shit about the middle east, it was all "forigen problems"
Jan 7 2009 10:02PM
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skibum2292
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Oh really then what was the intent of the 9-11 attacks? I seem to remember them attacking us because they hate us.

I think you should watch this movie:

http://http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/
Jan 7 2009 10:03PM
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skibum2292
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My bad! relink. this movie really is worth the watch.

http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/


Jan 7 2009 10:05PM
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C.R.E.A.M
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ok because i dont wanna type a bunch so im gonna just kinda ask you questions and see if u can figure it out

and btw that movie is made for profit, bottom line is its going to be made to appease to a certain crowd, not even gonna debate the legitamacy of that as an argument.

why do you think the terrorists hate us? they just woke up one day and were like "we hate america!" ? i really wanna know what you think.
Jan 7 2009 10:12PM
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Casey
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they hate us because they are jealous of our freedom. duh!
Jan 7 2009 10:20PM
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skibum2292
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They hate us because of their religion! Radical Islam believes in what is known as the Jihad or Holy War for Allah. There are two different categories of Jihad, non-violent and violent. Radical Islamic believers make violent jihad their sole priority. In this holy war radical Muslims want to convert everyone to Islam essentially and they'll do it anyway possible. Everything that western culture stands for is against their religious beliefs. They also view Western culture as Christian. Muslims have been at war with Christians for centuries. Today radical Islam sees Christianity as one of the primary targets for Jihad. So don't go telling people that Radical Muslims do not hate the U.S. because they do! BTW I'm by no way saying that it is alright when children and innocent bystanders are killed, but it is war and it happens. Like they say war is hell.
Jan 7 2009 10:30PM
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zues
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haha. i didn't mean palestine at all.  I mean pakistan, the country that harbored hezbollah, Hezbollah is involved with hamas.  Pakistan is very much involved, i'm not sure if you understand.  It's not Hamas vs. Israel.  It's more of every country in the middle east vs. Israel.  Pakistan is in the middle east, so they are very much involved.  They with Iran help smuggle weapons to hamas, just like they hid hezbollah, and supported them.  you need to open your eyes and see the whole war, not just the battle.
Jan 7 2009 10:32PM
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C.R.E.A.M
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iran spearheads most of the Hezbollah and hammas with support, Palestine does not really have access to any production and iran is the only muslim country that can manufacture its own weapons freely

however they are depicted as much more radical then they are.
Jan 7 2009 10:36PM
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C.R.E.A.M
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no, as a Muslim person i can just tell you that that is wrong.

first of all the radical Muslims are like 1% of the actual population, and just like you dont give a shit about Africa, or not enough to do anything at least, they dont give a shit about us.

the reason they hate us is because we have been supporting the slaughter of there people for decades, and if you dont know what im talking about then tell me and i can explain, if so then im glad you did your homework


Jan 7 2009 10:41PM
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Casey
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They may be crazy, but they aren't stupid.. its not a purely ideological war that they are waging against us, it has to do with our support of israel, and our incursion onto saudi land during the first (and now second) gulf war. I mean this is kind of shaky ground Im on here trying to justify 9/11 from the viewpoint of Al Qaeda, but everyone has reasons for doing stuff, my main point is that the whole radical islam thing is an excuse and a recruiting tool for the militarization against the west.
Jan 7 2009 10:41PM
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C.R.E.A.M
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this is good, good thinking.


Jan 7 2009 10:44PM
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deathcookie
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Please tell me "you" are kidding

That list is far from fact.  Actually it is almost completely bullshit.  Look up everyone on it.  Only one or two of them are still what it says they are, so they would have no effect on the Israel stuff.  Look up if are even all Jewish also.  Also are you saying these men have total control over what happens.  You obviously copied and pasted the information from this link: http://www.rense.com/general44/sevenjewishamericans.htm without doing any research.  Barely any of it is valid anymore.  Furthermore while you are talking about people being biased, look at the home page of that waste of internet you call information.  It is probably the most biased thing ever.  I just saw an article on it called "Why Zionism caused the holocaust."  No wonder you have views as you do.  You read shit like this.  The Onion and the National Enquirer are just as valid as this.  Everybody reading this forum look where he gets his information: http://rense.com/

Jan 7 2009 10:47PM
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zues
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well then those 4 years of education at whatever institution hasn't done you much good.
Jan 7 2009 10:50PM
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C.R.E.A.M
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terrorists attack because they have nothing else in life that will solve the problem, thats how extremisim works, its an "extreme" action as a last resort.

these people in palestine cannot even get basic neccesities. they have built underground tunnels under the border and have been caught by un police bringing in like furniture and car parts, not just weapons. they are surrounded by their enemy, who is fundnded by the EU and UN mainly because of American demands
Jan 7 2009 10:50PM
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deathcookie
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According to that website, jews control the us/world porn industry.  Those pornos sure are biased against hamas.

Jan 7 2009 10:52PM
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intifada
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i just want to point out that the israel is by no means the innocent victim in this conflict. Israeli's are also committing many atrocities and committing numerous human rights violations against palestinians. Palestinians live in poverty with little to no chance of succeeding in life because of the harsh treatment and restricions put upon them by israel. they are constantly being bullied and treated like second class citizens. for example the bulldozing of houses on palestinian land to make way for illegal jewish settlements or the blockades and raiding of palestinian settlements. I don't condone the killing of innocent civilians from either side but i do believe the palestinians are justified in using force against israeli soldiers. I realize that this argument is one sided and palestinians are far from innocent as well but i thought many people were ignoring the hardships of the palestinians. 
Jan 7 2009 10:56PM
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Alex_G
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looks like i'm a cunt, guys! just because i have a different viewpoint! retarded kids like you are the reason i don't wanna fucking visit this website anymore. if it weren't for the media section and the updates and the videos i wouldn't fuck with it anymore.
Jan 8 2009 2:45AM
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RudyGarmisch
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You are completely misidentifying Palestinians with a fringe religious sect. Its like comparing Salt lake city residents to Westboro Baptist Church.

Radical Islam is just that, Radicalized Islam. Very few muslims in the world ascribe to this interpretation of the Qur'an, and its a fucking gigantic leap to assume that the fighters against Israeli occupation of a Arab state would. I'm sure there are those in Hamas that would support such a view, but its a bit to say that all the Palestinians do.
Jan 8 2009 3:45AM
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grifter
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Someone close this thread and every other thread about this conflict on NS. it's pathetic, it's not healthy debate, or anything even close to it, it's just people shouting and other people ignoring everything they say.

seriously someone close this down.
Jan 8 2009 7:07AM
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theteo
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Israel has the resources to take out Hammas, but what do you know.. Instead they bomb the shit out of the most populated place in the world per/km2.


BAN ISRAEL!


Jan 8 2009 2:13PM
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SKIDUBAIGUY
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You cant Ban countries, who would say, fuck you your banned! Dont ever be a country again? You cant re move all the jews AGAIN. Im sorry, but you get todays dumbass award.
Jan 8 2009 2:16PM
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Jan 8 2009 2:16PM
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theteo
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Dude, I meant "Ban them" in like : don't buy any wine or produce from Israel, don't support them in any way...

Boycott maybe should be a better word choice? 
Jan 8 2009 2:19PM
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SKIDUBAIGUY
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Yes, thats boycott. And, i dont even know any shit that Isreal distributes abroud, so that will be difficult, but i dont give a shit about them or plaestine for that matter.
Jan 8 2009 2:22PM
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zues
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haha you're officially the dumbest kid on earth.
i guess theat movie is just all lies.. yea  you must be right.  lets not believe it, in fact i bet the muslims actually love us.  
Jan 8 2009 2:22PM
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C.R.E.A.M
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answer the question
Jan 8 2009 2:23PM
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theteo
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Well start giving a shit then,


Jan 8 2009 2:25PM
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zues
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Yea, good idea. lets ban them.  lets not longer use cell phones, and lets let everyone die of ovarian cancer who has it. 
those are just 2 things of the many things israel has given us. 
you're stupid. and definitely deserve the dumbass award.
Jan 8 2009 2:29PM
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SKIDUBAIGUY
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Because you throw ME arab countreis in to chaos and kill many innocent people because your greedy and want oil but claim to be doing it to destroy terror, when really their only firing at you because your fired at them first.

And theteo, why the fuck would i want to do that?
Jan 8 2009 2:29PM
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theteo
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How many mobile phones  do you knoware made in Israel?

Has Israel given us Ovarian cancer? Wtf do you mean..

Also, I thing the ISRAELI GOVERMENT is fucked up, not the people in general.


Jan 8 2009 2:34PM
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zues
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Israel invented the cellphone, and the only cure to ovarian cancer.  Thats what i mean, good thing we didn't ban them a long time ago or cell phones might not exist.  you're retarded.  end of story.  the government is no more fucked up than any other government in this world, and definitely not as fucked up as any of their neighbors. 
Jan 8 2009 6:04PM
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Lax_Bro40
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alex ur my boy. but your an idiot
Jan 8 2009 6:17PM
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zues
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maybe if you read what theteo wrote it would make moer sense...   i was talking to him, in his terms of language.
Jan 8 2009 6:20PM
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C.R.E.A.M
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dude this thread was actually pretty intellectual until you came around. you still have yet to tell me why you think that the Muslim countries "hate America" so much
Jan 8 2009 7:08PM
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Lax_Bro40
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this girl is a fucking loser
Jan 8 2009 7:10PM
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zues
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that wasn't me teling you that moron.  i do think there are plenty of muslims who do hate us though, along with lots of other different types of people.
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Jan 8 2009 7:28PM
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C.R.E.A.M
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fucking rediculous.

alright well you wanna come call me the dumbest piece of shit on earth and when asked to present your arguments you skirt around it and give a half ass answer.

i take time and read and educate myself and contribute a different process of thinking to newschoolers, so if you dont wanna do the same, stop being destructive and acting like a 9th grader and calling people names, waste of time and energy.
Jan 8 2009 7:35PM
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Italian.Stallion
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Can we end this thread?

I mean, of course victims should be cared for and there needs to be a solution there now, but instead of arguing, why don't we come together with a petition or something? To call for an immediate solution.

I don't get it.  If you really cared about it so much why are you wasting time bickering with people over the internet?

Jan 8 2009 7:43PM
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zues
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I now see why you were listed in "the most annoying kids on NS" 
haha i won't listen the couple reasons as they will piss you off and you will post more stupid shit. and they're racist.
Jan 8 2009 7:54PM
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C.R.E.A.M
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really man, really?
Jan 8 2009 8:09PM
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Slinger1x1
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thank you... atleast someone here know what their talking about

i dont see how any of you guys could support Palestinians, or atleast be against Israel.

isreal has made huge advantages it technology. their government is not screwed up what so ever, most people in israel have no problem with the current government, the only ones who are against it at the palistinians because they want the land.

seriously, pelase read up about this, i litterally get furious when i read some of the stuff you guys say. And yes, im a Jew. My grandparents were in consentration camps and their families were all killed. israel is a huge part of the Jewish religion, or whats left of it. i would die before i see terrorists like hamas take it over
Jan 8 2009 9:00PM
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zues
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mega word
 mad respect, for another intelligent human being.
Jan 8 2009 9:35PM
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JoeTheRipper
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One quick question... Just how old are you? The fucking cell phone...woopdey fucking doo. If the israelis didn't create it, it would have never come into existence. What does that have to do with anything anyway? Israel fucked this shit up and if you don't thnk they have you are blind. The only reason that Israel haven't been blown into nothing over this is because of America.

I really fear for the future of this world, because a lot of kids are obviously lapping up the utter bullshit that they are hearing from whoever they get their news from. Everyone should care too because this and all the other shit going on in the world right now is directly effecting everyone, even you little pieces of shit who 'don't give a shit'. The people on this website are fucking jokers sometimes. Drew you make sense. Sorry for that, have a good day.
Jan 8 2009 10:16PM
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zues
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people were talking about how israel should never have been created, thats why i brought up the cell phone and cancer points.  i'm not sure what your point is?  
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Jan 8 2009 10:26PM
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JoeTheRipper
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No, you were responding to the fact that someone said that an embargo should be placed upon Israel. I don't really have any point, just calling out your shitty slinging of facts that without Israel we wouldn't have cell phones (which who really gives a fuck anyway, the world was a better place without them). Again though I will ask the same question that you chose to avoid...How old are you?
Jan 8 2009 10:35PM
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zues
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i am 18.  i was just mentioning some positive about the country since everyone is trash talking it. 
Jan 8 2009 10:39PM
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Slinger1x1
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why are you against israel? what have they done? why would you support terrorists? and israel is one strong fucking country. they got ambushed from many angles during a jewish holiday and won that war. they are little but they are strong, they can hold their own, but america helps. Everyone goes to the military for two years out of high school in isreal

and before you call what we're saying bullshit, what are you god damn points? its just fucking amazing how you could be against israel.
Jan 8 2009 10:41PM
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billysexcrime
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The day Israel is blown into nothing will have to be nothing short of a nuclear war, because i know there are several million jews in Israel who will die for their country.
Jan 8 2009 10:45PM
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