And Israel will get away with it too.

no, there is no way you can compare what israel is doing to the Holocaust. the only reason why i get pissed is because my mothers parents family was all killed in the Holocaust, and now your claiming that the israelis, jews included, are now starting their own holocaust? it makes me sick that you could say that

and dont tell me i've been only watching american new and have a skewed view, as a jew, my family has been watching all sorts of news station and following tons of different sources

im not saying im for war, but since there is war and there is no stopping it, im all for israel.

and no i didnt read your post

good story, hansel

the settlements that the palestinians live in are pretty shitty, i'm not gonna lie.  But not all of them live in poverty.  quite a few of them live comfortably.  It seems the angry Muslims are the poor Muslims. 
The holocaust is a poor comparison, i see a little bit of where you're coming from, but its different.  THe jews were put into ghettos for no reason whatsover, they were then worked to death and starved to death and cremated alive.  That is not the case with the palestinians, they live in these shitty conditions because of the extremists who are constantly, trying to cause destruction.  It's sort of like the Internment camps that we put the Japanese into.  It's a silly thing, but its the only way they can assure safety. they have prevented suicide bombings, but of course there are other trade offs, just as is the case to every action.

there, i read it.

do you realize how small israel is? imagine almost all of the US being against Rhode island, you think Rhode island will just sit around and hope for the best? you think if they just wait for an attack they will last? israel can't afford to kick back and wait for an invasion, they are under a ton of shit from all over the world, i think they are allowed to buy themselves a little breathing room.

now you can read my posts, including my last ones

you sir, are an idiot. It was called Israel LONG before any of these problems even occured. They had lived there and were taken over by the Romans then through the deispora were scattered across the globe. So do your homework and you will learn that land was theres long before the Islamic religion was even prominent in that area.

forced off their land?  how about just giving their country a different name?

but yea, thats basically what i'm saying.  sorry if you were forced off your land, it is too bad (i don't think they were forced off)  but anyway killing innocent people is no answer, i can see trying to kill soldiers or officials in the government.  Blowing yourself up on a bus dressed as a hasidic Jew is no way helping them get their country back, its actually doing the opposite.

hey dont call my brother an idiot FAG!

but really, how does that give Israel the right to fuck over everybody who was living in palestine at the time, when they didnt do anything to them? yes, the romans did fuck them over in the past, loooooooong before a jewish state was created, but the palestinians living there at that time did absolutely nothing to deserve what happened to them and NOBODY deserves what is happening now.

Mature response...

Seriously, how old are you? 10?

what do you mean  you were telling me how wrong i was on what post?  I understand your point, and to be honest you guys have helped me see both sides of the subject, i was pretty closed minded until i started researching more of the subject matter. 
i also realized i don't want to end up like Dubs...

best post in the thread holy shit brought a tear to my eye that people can be so educated

good call out, thanks for that, i didn't make myself clear. i meant to say that i am not against jews, but against the israeli government. happy now?

for sure, they are both at fualt for certain reasons.  definitely true about the innocent people.  plenty of christians and armeninans who are suffering for nothing.

fuck it, im out of this thread. Im getting carried away because of personal feelings and ties, and there is no way to have a debate with you, drew, without being called a complete idiot that shouldnt even procreate. its not worth it. i admit that i hate losing arguements and definitely get carried awat, but im going to refrane from trying to put you down since this is not what this thread is about. so these are my last words that i will say, in a nice manner

all i want is for israel to still be a country, for the .2% (or something like that) of the population that are jews and for every other person that lives there. you guys make israel same like a bad place run by bad people, i really think you have it wrong. maybe what they are doing is wrong in your eyes, but they are doing what needs to be done because if they dont, they really wont stand a chance.

so basically if you want to see why i am saying what im saying, its not because im an "8th grader with mommy and daddy's views beat into me" because that is false, its because im a Jew, I have had tons of family members but have never met them because they were killed along with 6+ million others. the last thing i would want to see is the jewish homeland be taken over and leave 76% of the jewish people under a terrorist run government with no where to go.

i probably left a few things out, but im going to go now. you can respond to this, call me names, tell me im a complete idiot or respond nicely with valid points, but i don't think i will respond

one of the best things i seen on here in a long time dont aggree with much that you say man but kudos to taht quoat

same bra, so many of these kids have no idea watsup.

especially after visiting israel, i support them twice as much now.  it is simply an amazing country.

 no i didn't. my bad. these are the times when I wish there was an "edit post" button

yah they are all fighting over my jacket for sale!

I dont care how small a country it is, a nation that gets $3 Billion a year from the US is not in any position of fear.

and military intelligence from the united states, which is priceless in itself.

i always heard that expression was an oxymoron :)