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CrunnchyPissFart
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30 degrees in October, 20 degrees in November, 10 degrees 2 weeks ago,25 and snowy last week, aaaand 60 degrees today and tomorrow.

Who else feels the unusual weather patterns pain?

oh and its gonna be 25 next week again
Dec 15 2021 12:49PM 23 4
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eheath
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Change in temperature from day to day, week to week has basically no correlation to climate change. Long term changes and more extreme weather is a sign of climate change.
Dec 15 2021 12:51PM 27 25
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CrunnchyPissFart
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eheathChange in temperature from day to day, week to week has basically no correlation to climate change. Long term changes and more extreme weather is a sign of climate change.


I mean its been like this the past 5 years lmao, sounds like a pattern to me
Dec 15 2021 12:52PM 26 4
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eheath
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CrunnchyPissFartI mean its been like this the past 5 years lmao, sounds like a pattern to me


5 years is not anywhere near enough time to show climate change. Short term weather can be affected by overall warming, but just because it's 30 degrees warmer this week and 25 degrees colder next week is not a sign of climate change.
Dec 15 2021 12:55PM 11 33
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CrunnchyPissFart
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eheath5 years is not anywhere near enough time to show climate change. Short term weather can be affected by overall warming, but just because it's 30 degrees warmer this week and 25 degrees colder next week is not a sign of climate change.


Homie I'm just sayin this feels like the start of something, the vibes are off and this shit smells fishy, maybe I cant *prooove* that its climate change but it sure do feel like it. Im stating what Im noticing because Id rather not wait until climate change is fully onset and we are fully fucked to try to make a change.
Dec 15 2021 12:59PM 19 4
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CrunnchyPissFart
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I will not wait until the government tells me its okay to be outraged about climate change to be outraged about climate change.

this shit is happening now and maybe we cant call it climate change yet but it sure aint good

**This post was edited on Dec 15th 2021 at 1:07:59pm
Dec 15 2021 1:07PM 16 4
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RyanWhitdog
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CrunnchyPissFartHomie I'm just sayin this feels like the start of something, the vibes are off and this shit smells fishy, maybe I cant *prooove* that its climate change but it sure do feel like it. Im stating what Im noticing because Id rather not wait until climate change is fully onset and we are fully fucked to try to make a change.


I would agree this weather is fucked dude no question about it. 5 years is also plenty of time. Most temperature rises are measured by decade intervals, so that’s half your n right there. Week to week swings are certainly climate change related? Melting ice caps, rising temperatures, rising ocean temperatures, decreased snow pack, droughts all lead to more rapid changes in weather patterns across the globe (that includes day to day homie).
Dec 15 2021 1:11PM 11 1
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eheath
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CrunnchyPissFartI will not wait until the government tells me its okay to be outraged about climate change to be outraged about climate change.

this shit is happening now and maybe we cant call it climate change yet but it sure aint good

**This post was edited on Dec 15th 2021 at 1:07:59pm


I dont think anyone here disagrees with you, but just because its warm one week in december doesn't indicate climate change, thats been happening for centuries, since as far back a records go.
Dec 15 2021 1:16PM 11 7
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CrunnchyPissFart
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RyanWhitdogI would agree this weather is fucked dude no question about it. 5 years is also plenty of time. Most temperature rises are measured by decade intervals, so that’s half your n right there. Week to week swings are certainly climate change related? Melting ice caps, rising temperatures, rising ocean temperatures, decreased snow pack, droughts all lead to more rapid changes in weather patterns across the globe (that includes day to day homie).


facts, like we living in this bitch in real time, climate change is no longer like a fucked up vision of the future. like theres no more "oh we will start seeing the effects in 2030", like its now, weather patterns everywhere are fucked up and there is extreme weather events happening way too frequently to be up to coincidence. Like just cuz you see it in some areas and some you dont doesn't mean its not happening. Eheath was right about maybe its too early to tell, but average winter temps have been rising for ages and that shit means something. its fucked and if we recognize this shit in its early stages we actually have a fighting chance of not dying in climate disaster too soon
Dec 15 2021 1:18PM 5 2
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CrunnchyPissFart
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eheathI dont think anyone here disagrees with you, but just because its warm one week in december doesn't indicate climate change, thats been happening for centuries, since as far back a records go.


you sound like Fox News, Look up rising average winter temps, hell even rising year round temps, tell me that shit aint fucked

its better to recognize fucked shit in its early stages before shit gets too fucky, ya know

**This post was edited on Dec 15th 2021 at 1:23:31pm
Dec 15 2021 1:21PM 7 7
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RyanWhitdog
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I think his point is, these “warm weeks” are far outside the normal if you go back 250 years. So now that we have “warm weeks” the other “normal weeks” are already warmer than they should be if you compared it to just 250 years ago, we’ve seen such a major spike in average global temperatures. Major US cities across 300 years have never seen this dramatic a rise in temps going back 20,000 years. In my home city, average annual temps have steadily increased since 1880 by 2 full degrees. That’s 2 degrees in less than 150 years dude. These warm weeks are not normal in the big picture of our climates history.





Dec 15 2021 1:27PM 14 1
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Young_patty
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Montana folk be like “lol climate change isn’t real libtard” while their ranch gets ripped apart by drought and wild fires.

like aight, y’all are digging your own graves.
Conventional beef farming is predicated to collapse by 2030 too but that’s another conversation we aren’t ready for out here.
Dec 15 2021 1:29PM 31 2
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CrunnchyPissFart
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Young_pattyMontana folk be like “lol climate change isn’t real libtard” while their ranch gets ripped apart by drought and wild fires.

like aight, y’all are digging your own graves.
Conventional beef farming is predicated to collapse by 2030 too but that’s another conversation we aren’t ready for out here.


"fires are a natural part of ecosystem succession" .... like fuck no not when every year the fires get bigger and hotter lmao, they're only supposed to happen every few years or so
Dec 15 2021 1:31PM 11 2
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CrunnchyPissFart
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RyanWhitdogI think his point is, these “warm weeks” are far outside the normal if you go back 250 years. So now that we have “warm weeks” the other “normal weeks” are already warmer than they should be if you compared it to just 250 years ago, we’ve seen such a major spike in average global temperatures. Major US cities across 300 years have never seen this dramatic a rise in temps going back 20,000 years. In my home city, average annual temps have steadily increased since 1880 by 2 full degrees. That’s 2 degrees in less than 150 years dude. These warm weeks are not normal in the big picture of our climates history.







This man the goat for plugging the stats and prime info when I was too lazy, get this man an award
Dec 15 2021 1:35PM 11 2
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SuspiciousFish
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All I know is my house is shaking and I am watching my fence get torn apart in real time here in CO.
Dec 15 2021 1:47PM 10 0
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CrunnchyPissFart
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SuspiciousFishAll I know is my house is shaking and I am watching my fence get torn apart in real time here in CO.


I heard about that wind, that shit sounds insane
Dec 15 2021 1:47PM 2 0
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SuspiciousFish
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CrunnchyPissFartI heard about that wind, that shit sounds insane


This is the craziest footage so far. I think its a trailer but its getting straight rolled out in Peublo:

https://twitter.com/kvcreativetv/status/1471168020169035778
Dec 15 2021 1:48PM 3 0
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eheath
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CrunnchyPissFartyou sound like Fox News, Look up rising average winter temps, hell even rising year round temps, tell me that shit aint fucked

its better to recognize fucked shit in its early stages before shit gets too fucky, ya know

**This post was edited on Dec 15th 2021 at 1:23:31pm


like I said, we're on the same page brother, climate change is a HUGE problem and were doing basically nothing to combat it. But, one week being warmer than the previous is not "climate change"
Dec 15 2021 1:54PM 2 14
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ASSholebomber22
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So what are you going to do about it? Vote for elderly white men harder! They have the solutions. I can't fuckin stand climate crisis religious fanatics.
Dec 15 2021 1:54PM 8 9
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eheath
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SuspiciousFishThis is the craziest footage so far. I think its a trailer but its getting straight rolled out in Peublo:

https://twitter.com/kvcreativetv/status/1471168020169035778


THIS is a sign of climate change, a marginal temperature change week to week is not @CrunnchyPissFart
Dec 15 2021 1:55PM 1 2
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gravel
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CrunnchyPissFart"fires are a natural part of ecosystem succession" .... like fuck no not when every year the fires get bigger and hotter lmao, they're only supposed to happen every few years or so


dude i’m on your side about climate change but you sound flagrantly dumb. most of the west is a fire adapted ecosystem from thousands of years of cyclical burning. fires here are worsening due to warming and long term droughts caused by climate change, absolutely. fires are also fucked up big because of 100 years of fire suppression strategies all throughout the west, so forests that should have burned dozens of small fires in the last century are burning all down at once, huge and hot as fuck, and decimating the ecology as a consequence. long term forestry mismanagement is equally a factor as climate change.

this doesn’t even have to do with the original point of the thread smh why’d i take the bait
Dec 15 2021 2:00PM 16 1
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RyanWhitdog
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BiffbarfSo what are you going to do about it? Vote for elderly white men harder! They have the solutions. I can't fuckin stand climate crisis religious fanatics.


I’ve said this many times before but, I truly believe the United States true super power is its ability to foster and allow entrepreneurial talent and innovation via VC and private market funding. Global talent flocks to this and whether people love it or hate it, capitalism has allowed the US to become the super power it is through rapid innovation and inventions that have drastically improved our quality of life. You can disagree with this on an opinion basis but as a whole you’re just wrong. If we lose this, as sure as night follows day, we will lose our position as a global power. All this to say, I believe as money continues to funnel into climate change solutions, companies, start ups, etc. in both public and private markets, we will begin to see more focus on it and major breakthroughs allowing us to tackle it will begin to occur.


I’m not sure everyone fully understands and appreciates the power the US has in the companies it starts and how aggressively it relentlessly invests in start ups. SpaxeX is such an amazing example of this. It is the most amazing company that started from absolutely nothing. To now being able to land boosters on a 25 x 25 platform after being in space. Without them NASA wouldn’t even have boosters now. So don’t count on government, count on our innovation and ability to start companies as the way out of this.
Dec 15 2021 2:24PM 6 1
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r00kie
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Warm Decembers have really started to feel like the norm in the midwest the last few years. Oddly though winter seems to linger around longer in March and April but maybe thats just me.
Dec 15 2021 2:28PM 1 0
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RyanWhitdog
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RyanWhitdogI’ve said this many times before but, I truly believe the United States true super power is its ability to foster and allow entrepreneurial talent and innovation via VC and private market funding. Global talent flocks to this and whether people love it or hate it, capitalism has allowed the US to become the super power it is through rapid innovation and inventions that have drastically improved our quality of life. You can disagree with this on an opinion basis but as a whole you’re just wrong. If we lose this, as sure as night follows day, we will lose our position as a global power. All this to say, I believe as money continues to funnel into climate change solutions, companies, start ups, etc. in both public and private markets, we will begin to see more focus on it and major breakthroughs allowing us to tackle it will begin to occur.


I’m not sure everyone fully understands and appreciates the power the US has in the companies it starts and how aggressively it relentlessly invests in start ups. SpaxeX is such an amazing example of this. It is the most amazing company that started from absolutely nothing. To now being able to land boosters on a 25 x 25 platform after being in space. Without them NASA wouldn’t even have boosters now. So don’t count on government, count on our innovation and ability to start companies as the way out of this.


Our focus should be on electing officials who allow us flexibility, funding and full support to entrepreneurs. Not Bernie Sanders who wants to take Elon’s SpaceX company into governmental control, this is astronomically stupid. Let’s take an immigrants company who provides NASA with boosters they couldn’t build on their own from him since NASA couldn’t do it on a $375 billion dollar budget. But SpaceX did it on just $7.6 billion. Would we rather continue to give $375 billion to the government for no results or give $7.6 to a start up for 100x the results. In other words, would you rather give Bernie Sanders $1,000 or SpaceX $1. We need this type of thought process across the board.


Thanks all for coming to my Ted Talk my apologies my rants over.
Dec 15 2021 2:28PM 4 1
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CrunnchyPissFart
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graveldude i’m on your side about climate change but you sound flagrantly dumb. most of the west is a fire adapted ecosystem from thousands of years of cyclical burning. fires here are worsening due to warming and long term droughts caused by climate change, absolutely. fires are also fucked up big because of 100 years of fire suppression strategies all throughout the west, so forests that should have burned dozens of small fires in the last century are burning all down at once, huge and hot as fuck, and decimating the ecology as a consequence. long term forestry mismanagement is equally a factor as climate change.

this doesn’t even have to do with the original point of the thread smh why’d i take the bait


Dude my comment was literally about that, because of the droughts caused by climate change plus the mismanagement natural fires have been blown out of proportion
Dec 15 2021 3:16PM 1 0
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GrandThings
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BiffbarfSo what are you going to do about it? Vote for elderly white men harder! They have the solutions. I can't fuckin stand climate crisis religious fanatics.


Lol the fuck? So what, we're just supposed to like give up and not talk about it?
Dec 15 2021 3:18PM 3 1
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CrunnchyPissFart
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eheathTHIS is a sign of climate change, a marginal temperature change week to week is not @CrunnchyPissFart


Well yah, climate change is not a black or white dualistic issue. There is no "one sign" of climate change, its a multifaceted issue that causes one thing somewhere, lets say a freak wind storm, then irregular weather patterns in another, to drought and fire in others, and so on

**This post was edited on Dec 15th 2021 at 3:22:30pm
Dec 15 2021 3:19PM 0 0
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CrunnchyPissFart
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BiffbarfSo what are you going to do about it? Vote for elderly white men harder! They have the solutions. I can't fuckin stand climate crisis religious fanatics.


Hell no, I aint never heard of an elderly white man with a plan for climate change. If ur takin me for a Biden hard-on liberal you got it wrong
Dec 15 2021 3:20PM 0 0
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eheath
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CrunnchyPissFartWell yah, climate change is not a black or white dualistic issue. There is no "one sign" of climate change, its a multifaceted issue that causes one thing somewhere, lets say a freak wind storm, then irregular weather patterns in another, to drought and fire in others, and so on

**This post was edited on Dec 15th 2021 at 3:22:30pm


Im not sure why you're trying to convince me, I told you like 3 times we agree haha.
Dec 15 2021 3:31PM 1 1
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ASSholebomber22
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CrunnchyPissFartHell no, I aint never heard of an elderly white man with a plan for climate change. If ur takin me for a Biden hard-on liberal you got it wrong


It has nothing to do with just Biden. Climate crisis hysteria is really good for lining the pockets of the bureaucrats at GE and Siemens while selling anti-apocalypse rhetoric and not doing anything actually productive. You know wind farms are overwhelmingly subsidized by simple cycle turbines that pollute significantly MORE than combined cycle units? And when power companies are pressed, they set goals by 20XX with no basis of a plan besides 'innovation'.

Just don't be sold a solution that doesn't do anything. Make a solution or quit bitching, it's so old.
Dec 15 2021 3:47PM 2 1
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CrunnchyPissFart
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BiffbarfIt has nothing to do with just Biden. Climate crisis hysteria is really good for lining the pockets of the bureaucrats at GE and Siemens while selling anti-apocalypse rhetoric and not doing anything actually productive. You know wind farms are overwhelmingly subsidized by simple cycle turbines that pollute significantly MORE than combined cycle units? And when power companies are pressed, they set goals by 20XX with no basis of a plan besides 'innovation'.

Just don't be sold a solution that doesn't do anything. Make a solution or quit bitching, it's so old.


Sorry if I'm un informed but how in the possible fuck can a wind turbine create emissions?

I def agree that there is a lot of false goal setting and Neo-lib bureaucratic bs around climate change, it doesn't fucking get anywhere, its all bark with no bite. we need to actually take on these energy companies and make them start building solar/wind/geothermal power plants
Dec 15 2021 4:02PM 0 0
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r00kie
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CrunnchyPissFartSorry if I'm un informed but how in the possible fuck can a wind turbine create emissions?

I def agree that there is a lot of false goal setting and Neo-lib bureaucratic bs around climate change, it doesn't fucking get anywhere, its all bark with no bite. we need to actually take on these energy companies and make them start building solar/wind/geothermal power plants


Mostly the manufacturing of them. Fiberglass is a very dirty material.
Dec 15 2021 4:05PM 0 0
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CalumSKI
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Yay I love east coast weather 😁
Dec 15 2021 4:06PM 5 0
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CrunnchyPissFart
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r00kieMostly the manufacturing of them. Fiberglass is a very dirty material.


Ooh Yea I can see that, green solutions often have a shitty side in terms of production and setup. but I guess in short term its harmful and creates emissions and really isn't the best for ecosystems when ur getting it built, but in the long term it helps and reduces emissions




@ASSholebomber22 https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2018/10/large-scale-wind-power-has-its-down-side/ is this like what ur saying?
Dec 15 2021 4:10PM 0 0
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FruitBootPro
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eheathChange in temperature from day to day, week to week has basically no correlation to climate change. Long term changes and more extreme weather is a sign of climate change.


yeah basically this lol

this argument is basically the equivalent saying climate change doesn't exist because it got really cold and snowy in one region one winter

OP literally just said "it has gotten progressively colder in the winter months like normal, but these past two days have been oddly hot, therefore climate change is the culprit" like bruh that is barely evidence for shit
Dec 15 2021 4:16PM 0 0
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ASSholebomber22
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CrunnchyPissFartSorry if I'm un informed but how in the possible fuck can a wind turbine create emissions?

I def agree that there is a lot of false goal setting and Neo-lib bureaucratic bs around climate change, it doesn't fucking get anywhere, its all bark with no bite. we need to actually take on these energy companies and make them start building solar/wind/geothermal power plants


If the power grid relies on wind power and the wind doesn't blow, or demand is greater than wind turbines can provide, there are simple cycle natural gas turbines that fire up to provide energy to the grid. These turbines will turn off when the wind blows again or demand decreases but they are incredibly inefficient when they run. These simple cycle ng turbines are so inefficient that even when used just to subsidize wind turbines, their emissions and energy consumption is greater than that of standard combined natural gas systems.

Tldr: wind doesn't generate much energy per wind turbine, has to be subsidized with inefficient energy supply methods resulting in more emissions and fossil fuel use compared to standard fossil fuel energy supply systems.
Dec 15 2021 4:18PM 2 0
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FruitBootPro
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RyanWhitdogI’ve said this many times before but, I truly believe the United States true super power is its ability to foster and allow entrepreneurial talent and innovation via VC and private market funding. Global talent flocks to this and whether people love it or hate it, capitalism has allowed the US to become the super power it is through rapid innovation and inventions that have drastically improved our quality of life. You can disagree with this on an opinion basis but as a whole you’re just wrong. If we lose this, as sure as night follows day, we will lose our position as a global power. All this to say, I believe as money continues to funnel into climate change solutions, companies, start ups, etc. in both public and private markets, we will begin to see more focus on it and major breakthroughs allowing us to tackle it will begin to occur.


I’m not sure everyone fully understands and appreciates the power the US has in the companies it starts and how aggressively it relentlessly invests in start ups. SpaxeX is such an amazing example of this. It is the most amazing company that started from absolutely nothing. To now being able to land boosters on a 25 x 25 platform after being in space. Without them NASA wouldn’t even have boosters now. So don’t count on government, count on our innovation and ability to start companies as the way out of this.


literally all we need to do is make a major transition to nuclear power.

the thing people don't realize is that climate change & pollution don't exist because of disposable straws, or cows, or companies that want to make their products cheaper. And society/govt demanding that consumers+businesses deny themselves these conveniences is futile. Climate change exists because our ENTIRE FUCKING INDUSTRY is built on energy that comes from combustion. Once we stop this, we've taken a huge step forward and can then tackle combustion in the sectors of transportation etc.

I'm sorry but the danger of a nuclear meltdown in somewhere remote is dwarfed by the coming repercussions of the insane amounts. Additionally, due to modern reactor safety technology, the actual danger of a nuclear meltdown nowadays is way smaller than it was in the era of Three Mile Island or even Fukushima.

PS: isn't spacex carried by a lot of govt subsidies and also works with nasa lol
Dec 15 2021 4:29PM 3 1
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CrunnchyPissFart
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BiffbarfIf the power grid relies on wind power and the wind doesn't blow, or demand is greater than wind turbines can provide, there are simple cycle natural gas turbines that fire up to provide energy to the grid. These turbines will turn off when the wind blows again or demand decreases but they are incredibly inefficient when they run. These simple cycle ng turbines are so inefficient that even when used just to subsidize wind turbines, their emissions and energy consumption is greater than that of standard combined natural gas systems.

Tldr: wind doesn't generate much energy per wind turbine, has to be subsidized with inefficient energy supply methods resulting in more emissions and fossil fuel use compared to standard fossil fuel energy supply systems.


Oh shit, good point
Dec 15 2021 4:34PM 1 0
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CrunnchyPissFart
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FruitBootProliterally all we need to do is make a major transition to nuclear power.

the thing people don't realize is that climate change & pollution don't exist because of disposable straws, or cows, or companies that want to make their products cheaper. And society/govt demanding that consumers+businesses deny themselves these conveniences is futile. Climate change exists because our ENTIRE FUCKING INDUSTRY is built on energy that comes from combustion. Once we stop this, we've taken a huge step forward and can then tackle combustion in the sectors of transportation etc.

I'm sorry but the danger of a nuclear meltdown in somewhere remote is dwarfed by the coming repercussions of the insane amounts. Additionally, due to modern reactor safety technology, the actual danger of a nuclear meltdown nowadays is way smaller than it was in the era of Three Mile Island or even Fukushima.

PS: isn't spacex carried by a lot of govt subsidies and also works with nasa lol


Nuke is a viable option, the only issue is how you ethically deal with the waste
Dec 15 2021 4:34PM 2 0
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armchair_skier
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CrunnchyPissFart"fires are a natural part of ecosystem succession" .... like fuck no not when every year the fires get bigger and hotter lmao, they're only supposed to happen every few years or so


Fires naturally occur annually in some forests. Forests are too dense because of outdated conservation techniques and forests that used to not burn are starting to. Fires happen every year, but the frequency of really bad fires is increasing.
Dec 15 2021 4:48PM 1 0
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ASSholebomber22
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GrandThingsLol the fuck? So what, we're just supposed to like give up and not talk about it?


Come up with solutions. Guide the passion to engineering ideas that will change mankind, instead of focusing it on blaming some sort of boogeyman and crying about it.
Dec 15 2021 5:12PM 2 1
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CrunnchyPissFart
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armchair_skierFires naturally occur annually in some forests. Forests are too dense because of outdated conservation techniques and forests that used to not burn are starting to. Fires happen every year, but the frequency of really bad fires is increasing.


yes, as I said
Dec 15 2021 5:27PM 0 0
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CrunnchyPissFart
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BiffbarfCome up with solutions. Guide the passion to engineering ideas that will change mankind, instead of focusing it on blaming some sort of boogeyman and crying about it.


in the wise words of that one Brian Jonestown Massacre song.... "Talk - Action = Shit"
Dec 15 2021 5:29PM 2 0
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@LANTASKI
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RyanWhitdogI would agree this weather is fucked dude no question about it. 5 years is also plenty of time. Most temperature rises are measured by decade intervals, so that’s half your n right there. Week to week swings are certainly climate change related? Melting ice caps, rising temperatures, rising ocean temperatures, decreased snow pack, droughts all lead to more rapid changes in weather patterns across the globe (that includes day to day homie).




Bruh people were growing Grapes in Iceland and Greenland during the Middle Ages... Also the climate has been warming since hte last ice age.

Real Talk Its kind of dumb to think man has more influence over the earth's climate than the Sun LMAO
Dec 15 2021 5:34PM 0 7
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Lonely
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eheathChange in temperature from day to day, week to week has basically no correlation to climate change. Long term changes and more extreme weather is a sign of climate change.


I mean...It actually does. Warm days and irregular weather/temperature patterns are absolutely are part of climate change. It's part of the climate...changing? Is it definitionally climate? Sure it's not, but that finer grain is absolutely part of climate change. If you didn't have a large number of small changes then you wouldn't have climate change...at all.
Dec 15 2021 5:53PM 6 0
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Lonely
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CrunnchyPissFart"fires are a natural part of ecosystem succession" .... like fuck no not when every year the fires get bigger and hotter lmao, they're only supposed to happen every few years or so


Actually, we have less fires on average than we used to say...40-50 years ago. The thing is now the fires we have now are more intense and are in areas that have humans living in them, which when they burn tend to have a more devasting ecological effect because many western forests are designed are burn and recover. Once you through some suburban interface in there you get a lot of shit burning that is terrible for the environment, and a lot hotter and more aggressive fires.
Dec 15 2021 5:58PM 3 0
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eheath
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LonelyI mean...It actually does. Warm days and irregular weather/temperature patterns are absolutely are part of climate change. It's part of the climate...changing? Is it definitionally climate? Sure it's not, but that finer grain is absolutely part of climate change. If you didn't have a large number of small changes then you wouldn't have climate change...at all.

But saying that it was 50 this week and 20 next week is not climate change, thats a normal thing that happens every year and has for centuries. These isolated anomalies may add up like you say, but saying that one point of data is proof of climate change is just incorrect.
Dec 15 2021 5:59PM 2 1
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@LANTASKI
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eheathlike I said, we're on the same page brother, climate change is a HUGE problem and were doing basically nothing to combat it. But, one week being warmer than the previous is not "climate change"


ALsalam Aleikum my long time brøther Eheath.

Even if climate change is man made , there aint shit we can do to stop it. Its the sun and I guarantee we will be skiing Utah blower well into our geriatric years my brother
Dec 15 2021 6:04PM 2 2
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CrunnchyPissFart
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eheathBut saying that it was 50 this week and 20 next week is not climate change, thats a normal thing that happens every year and has for centuries. These isolated anomalies may add up like you say, but saying that one point of data is proof of climate change is just incorrect.


That’s the same thing @Lonely said, irregular weather is irregular weather, which is a symptom of climate change. To be fair I should have said it was a symptom but I forgor to type it and assumed wrong that people would have understood that
Dec 15 2021 6:04PM 2 0
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RyanWhitdog
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FruitBootProliterally all we need to do is make a major transition to nuclear power.

the thing people don't realize is that climate change & pollution don't exist because of disposable straws, or cows, or companies that want to make their products cheaper. And society/govt demanding that consumers+businesses deny themselves these conveniences is futile. Climate change exists because our ENTIRE FUCKING INDUSTRY is built on energy that comes from combustion. Once we stop this, we've taken a huge step forward and can then tackle combustion in the sectors of transportation etc.

I'm sorry but the danger of a nuclear meltdown in somewhere remote is dwarfed by the coming repercussions of the insane amounts. Additionally, due to modern reactor safety technology, the actual danger of a nuclear meltdown nowadays is way smaller than it was in the era of Three Mile Island or even Fukushima.

PS: isn't spacex carried by a lot of govt subsidies and also works with nasa lol


SpaceX is now given subsidies because of what they built from their original roughly under $10 billion in capital. They are now of course because of their success but if you’re the sole provider of boosters for NASA because they’re incapable of building them on their own on 100x the budget then yes you get subsidized to help government programs out that’s usually how it works.
Dec 15 2021 6:11PM 3 0
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Lonely
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eheathBut saying that it was 50 this week and 20 next week is not climate change, thats a normal thing that happens every year and has for centuries. These isolated anomalies may add up like you say, but saying that one point of data is proof of climate change is just incorrect.


Sure, my point is just that those single points are not themselves proof but they are part of it. Those single-day or couple day outliers did not use to happen as frequently as they do now, and previously they did not occur to the same extent.


20 years ago the average temperature may have been, lets say, 30 degrees in November with 1 or 2 warm days that were 40 degrees.

Now, the average temperature is more like 30.5 degrees. But now there are 3-4 days in the 60s, and 1-2 or days in the teens. Climate hasn't changed that much, but the departure from normalcy has a fuckton of negative downstream effects. Snow base doesn't build up properly, watersheds change, nutrient cycling is affected etc. etc.

Those changes don't happen, or at least don't happen to the same degree without those "single day" occurences. Those single days are just a smaller grain of climate change.
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