Merry Climate Change

LonelyActually, we have less fires on average than we used to say...40-50 years ago. The thing is now the fires we have now are more intense and are in areas that have humans living in them, which when they burn tend to have a more devasting ecological effect because many western forests are designed are burn and recover. Once you through some suburban interface in there you get a lot of shit burning that is terrible for the environment, and a lot hotter and more aggressive fires.

40-50 years ago is absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of global warming & designed to burn by who? Where is the supporting evidence that forest out west are designed to be burned by live power lines that fall over during strong winds. Not sure about this one but perhaps I’m I’ll-informed.

The increased fires are caused in some areas by drought, which is a symptom of climate change. And ignited and burn hotter because of malpractice in fire management which created denser forests that burn bigger and hotter. So you can’t really exactly say that fires are because of climate change, but they are a pretty damn big symptom and sign that shit needs to change and we can’t fucking wait on the government bureaucrats who will finally decide to change shit once we are beyond fucked

RyanWhitdog40-50 years ago is absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of global warming & designed to burn by who? Where is the supporting evidence that forest out west are designed to be burned by live power lines that fall over during strong winds. Not sure about this one but perhaps I’m I’ll-informed.

Maybe designed was the right term.

Forests, especially western ones, are filled with tree species that have evolved to survive wildfire and some species that even need wildfires and grow in such a way to encourage it. The fire regiment is part of the ecosystem, usually with larger burns on 5/10 cycles. It refreshes the soil, allows species like jack pine to propagate and open their cones, which mostly open during wildfires, trees like red pines shed their lower branches and have thick scaled bark to prevent damage and really only go down during hot crown fires.

Frequently occurring, small wildfires, with the occasional large one, is part of the ecological system, has been long before people ever lived here.

Unfortunately, the poor forest management practice of the last 100 years has resulted in a build-up in fuel, a large reduction in small, below crown fires that would occur naturally, and ecological damage to the ecological system of these areas.

This, in part, plays into why we have very large, hot fires today that destroy huge swaths of land in one go.

FruitBootProliterally all we need to do is make a major transition to nuclear power.

the thing people don't realize is that climate change & pollution don't exist because of disposable straws, or cows, or companies that want to make their products cheaper. And society/govt demanding that consumers+businesses deny themselves these conveniences is futile. Climate change exists because our ENTIRE FUCKING INDUSTRY is built on energy that comes from combustion. Once we stop this, we've taken a huge step forward and can then tackle combustion in the sectors of transportation etc.

I'm sorry but the danger of a nuclear meltdown in somewhere remote is dwarfed by the coming repercussions of the insane amounts. Additionally, due to modern reactor safety technology, the actual danger of a nuclear meltdown nowadays is way smaller than it was in the era of Three Mile Island or even Fukushima.

PS: isn't spacex carried by a lot of govt subsidies and also works with nasa lol

No doubt nuclear energy will help. I’d guess a majority of nuclear power plants are owned by public or private corporations not local or federal governments. So if regulators gave incentives (funding) and the green light on contracts to build nuclear plants I think it would be possible. From everything I’ve read that would tackle about a 1/3rd of carbon emissions leaving land change, combustion and agricultural the remaining main culprits.

LonelySure, my point is just that those single points are not themselves proof but they are part of it. Those single-day or couple day outliers did not use to happen as frequently as they do now, and previously they did not occur to the same extent.


20 years ago the average temperature may have been, lets say, 30 degrees in November with 1 or 2 warm days that were 40 degrees.

Now, the average temperature is more like 30.5 degrees. But now there are 3-4 days in the 60s, and 1-2 or days in the teens. Climate hasn't changed that much, but the departure from normalcy has a fuckton of negative downstream effects. Snow base doesn't build up properly, watersheds change, nutrient cycling is affected etc. etc.

Those changes don't happen, or at least don't happen to the same degree without those "single day" occurences. Those single days are just a smaller grain of climate change.

you're just arguing to argue, we literally agree and you just stated exactly what i was saying in your first sentence.

LonelyMaybe designed was the right term.

Forests, especially western ones, are filled with tree species that have evolved to survive wildfire and some species that even need wildfires and grow in such a way to encourage it. The fire regiment is part of the ecosystem, usually with larger burns on 5/10 cycles. It refreshes the soil, allows species like jack pine to propagate and open their cones, which mostly open during wildfires, trees like red pines shed their lower branches and have thick scaled bark to prevent damage and really only go down during hot crown fires.

Frequently occurring, small wildfires, with the occasional large one, is part of the ecological system, has been long before people ever lived here.

Unfortunately, the poor forest management practice of the last 100 years has resulted in a build-up in fuel, a large reduction in small, below crown fires that would occur naturally, and ecological damage to the ecological system of these areas.

This, in part, plays into why we have very large, hot fires today that destroy huge swaths of land in one go.

I’ve always read controlled burns to get ahead of these massive fires would help
immensely but is often shut down by local entities due to their concerns over the operation. And who can blame them would you want a controlled burn occurring in your backyard? Tough situation but seems like a necessary evil perhaps moving forward.


Additionally, I’ve heard large swaths of fire personnel leaving for jobs such as Amazon warehouse work because they are that underpaid which is truly said. So another problem to tack on in this situation as well.

this threads a fuckin shitstorm lmao

Jemsthis threads a fuckin shitstorm lmao

It’s been fun lol, I haven’t made a controversial thread in a while

A huge reason why we have such bad fires is from that fuck smokey the bear. Lol

now hear me out cause im serious. The department of agriculture runs the national forest service. It was founded because of the lumber industry. They saw forest fires as a hit on their product and profit. So fire supression tactics evolved and smokey the bear was born.

As stated above, fires are 100% natural and build resilience through out the forest. Basically, smaller shrubs and trees burn bring nutrients back into the soil while larger burley vegetation withstand the fires.


however, with fire suppression we see a lot of fires are put out as quickly as possible and not burning the smaller trees. This is to save homes as we have moved farther from cities. Putting these fires out cause overgrowth. Overtime this issue has gotten insanely bad. I have done fire restoration work where the fires have burnt so bad that the soil is now hydrophobic! Its like clay after its gone through the kieln. The branches basically go from ground to top instead of having a tree top canopy so the fires can grow and build excessively hot unlike before.

next time you see smokey the bear tell him to fuck off as he is to blame for over 500 homes burning in my home town.

Jemsthis threads a fuckin shitstorm lmao

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