Twin tip that carves hard

EPfanboyMight not be helpful at all but if you were to go down 5mm to 100mm waist section the Armada stranger could be a good option.

animatorMount point is too far back, should’ve mentioned that

powpatrolI can’t recall the width but the bc ferox is a super charger

anders_aooo now this is my favorite category

Ranger 102 FR is the best so far of what I've tested. bumping mount forward is no problem

revolt 104 is VERY promising, but I dont think you can hit the same 50-60mph as the rangers, will test hopefully today/tomorrow

New faction 2021 CT 2.0 and 3.0 are very promising, mostly the 2.0 for higher speeds, will let you know when I get bindings to put on them and.. can skiiiii

m-free 108 needs to be mentioned, our version of usps has spent a solid week getting them the last 20-25 minute ride to me from sorting hub here, still not arrived, on tuesday it will have spent a full 2 weeks! not arriving.

jsks hotshot? fairly progressive mount, missed the nocturnal graphics, and the current ones for sale are... meeeeeeh, but hopeing this will be good

black crows justis, 100mm, got mine mounted -7? iirc not very much fun going slow, only tested them 2 days at our indoors so far, but hey, very few longer radius and stiff skis are fun at our indoors.

black crows atris mounted -5 or -6 (rec -8) I need to actually ski mine

prodigy 3.'s in longest length?

enforcer 110 is quite good, I love it for trees and such, but all out speed and edgegrip I dont think it can touch the enforcer 102

dynastar menace 98 needs to be mentioned, guessing a bit to narrow have yet to test mine

holyshred aka blackops 98, again to skinny?



sender TI 194cm or sender squad? 106? 112mm iirc, I only flex and touched them in store, the squad is burly.

need to tag @Greg_K as we both love to charge on twins

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**This post was edited on Dec 12th 2020 at 9:16:15am

anders_aooo now this is my favorite category

Ranger 102 FR is the best so far of what I've tested. bumping mount forward is no problem

revolt 104 is VERY promising, but I dont think you can hit the same 50-60mph as the rangers, will test hopefully today/tomorrow

New faction 2021 CT 2.0 and 3.0 are very promising, mostly the 2.0 for higher speeds, will let you know when I get bindings to put on them and.. can skiiiii

m-free 108 needs to be mentioned, our version of usps has spent a solid week getting them the last 20-25 minute ride to me from sorting hub here, still not arrived, on tuesday it will have spent a full 2 weeks! not arriving.

jsks hotshot? fairly progressive mount, missed the nocturnal graphics, and the current ones for sale are... meeeeeeh, but hopeing this will be good

black crows justis, 100mm, got mine mounted -7? iirc not very much fun going slow, only tested them 2 days at our indoors so far, but hey, very few longer radius and stiff skis are fun at our indoors.

black crows atris mounted -5 or -6 (rec -8) I need to actually ski mine

prodigy 3.'s in longest length?

enforcer 110 is quite good, I love it for trees and such, but all out speed and edgegrip I dont think it can touch the enforcer 102

dynastar menace 98 needs to be mentioned, guessing a bit to narrow have yet to test mine

holyshred aka blackops 98, again to skinny?



sender TI 194cm or sender squad? 106? 112mm iirc, I only flex and touched them in store, the squad is burly.

need to tag @Greg_K as we both love to charge on twins

**This post was edited on Dec 12th 2020 at 9:14:18am

**This post was edited on Dec 12th 2020 at 9:16:15am

anders_aI know some ski it very close to center, I currently have tested -6.9ish (stock is -9.9) and its so fun, if I was to do it again I would go even further, this is possible since you get even a 191cm version, so you wont end up with a petite front ski, also quite solid underfoot and in front of bindings, shovels still dont give and superfun skiiing centerd as well

@Lazylightning

anders_ahow tall & heavy are you? I actually have both a 184 mounted +2, and a 191 mounted +3 Im 6'3 and 230ish lbs, and they actually both let me drive the shovel, the 184 lets me do like an easy 50-55mph really carving, and you can flex the ski into different turn shapes.

As a general thought I would say +4 is not a problem and just do, I can measure the sidecut on bench quick if anyone is interested

The carbon tip shovels are kinda weird, because it will let you closer to 60mph without flapping. They look soooo thin and flimsy, but.. are awesome, they will also let you do nose butters with fairly good support and energy. imho more skis should be made like this, traditionally I've not been a huge fan of just throwing carbon on skis as it makes them kinda weird, but here they really really figured it out.



Moving binding forward does make it a bit squirly where its 100% flat like the last few meters to lift, of course tune is a thing, and height/weight is a thing, as it happens more on 184 than 191 for me. The tune is fairly aggresive, and tips can be a bit hooky when doing spinny stuff stock, but try the ski before detuniung anything.

I even got a pair for my GF for x-mas, so I currently house 3 x 102FR :p and I SO wanna get a pair of the new pink 191cm, put duke PTs' on them and go even more forward. like +4 or +5

@Greg_K got me on them last year, and I feel they are the most slept on ski in ages, ironicly it seems the new pink and more blue topsheets are makeing them popular and more people are discovering them, I think they won freerides.se review like 1-2? years now etc. Here in europe its very hard to get hold of the pink ones now, and stores carrying both will have the pink one at 50 euro more :p

I grabbed both my pairs for like 300 euros I think, so pre-pink topsheet and older years with less blue topsheets are an absolute steal.

I think against the revolt 104 the 102FR will be more chargy and higher speed limit, guessing by 5-10-15mph? but the revolt is what -1,5? -1.75 mounted and as light with less carbon so yeah. But they do have some of the same feel. I only have like 8? days of park on the revolt 104s though, looking forward to carve them on our local black run

I own a lot of skis, but when I was only allowed to take 1 I grabbed the 102FR, 191cm, that kinda says a lot.

anders_ahow tall & heavy are you? I actually have both a 184 mounted +2, and a 191 mounted +3 Im 6'3 and 230ish lbs, and they actually both let me drive the shovel, the 184 lets me do like an easy 50-55mph really carving, and you can flex the ski into different turn shapes.

As a general thought I would say +4 is not a problem and just do, I can measure the sidecut on bench quick if anyone is interested

The carbon tip shovels are kinda weird, because it will let you closer to 60mph without flapping. They look soooo thin and flimsy, but.. are awesome, they will also let you do nose butters with fairly good support and energy. imho more skis should be made like this, traditionally I've not been a huge fan of just throwing carbon on skis as it makes them kinda weird, but here they really really figured it out.



Moving binding forward does make it a bit squirly where its 100% flat like the last few meters to lift, of course tune is a thing, and height/weight is a thing, as it happens more on 184 than 191 for me. The tune is fairly aggresive, and tips can be a bit hooky when doing spinny stuff stock, but try the ski before detuniung anything.

I even got a pair for my GF for x-mas, so I currently house 3 x 102FR :p and I SO wanna get a pair of the new pink 191cm, put duke PTs' on them and go even more forward. like +4 or +5

@Greg_K got me on them last year, and I feel they are the most slept on ski in ages, ironicly it seems the new pink and more blue topsheets are makeing them popular and more people are discovering them, I think they won freerides.se review like 1-2? years now etc. Here in europe its very hard to get hold of the pink ones now, and stores carrying both will have the pink one at 50 euro more :p

I grabbed both my pairs for like 300 euros I think, so pre-pink topsheet and older years with less blue topsheets are an absolute steal.

I think against the revolt 104 the 102FR will be more chargy and higher speed limit, guessing by 5-10-15mph? but the revolt is what -1,5? -1.75 mounted and as light with less carbon so yeah. But they do have some of the same feel. I only have like 8? days of park on the revolt 104s though, looking forward to carve them on our local black run

I own a lot of skis, but when I was only allowed to take 1 I grabbed the 102FR, 191cm, that kinda says a lot.

animatorIk it’s not in my range like I asked but I’m getting a Ranger 102 in bright ass pink, thanks for all the suggestions boys

Greg_KThe 184cm is 102.4mm wide at recommend and 183.8cm long IIRC. Should be similar to the 191cm as far as being mount friendly.

The only issue with +5cm on the 184cm would be sacrificing tip float with weight close to 200lbs if you drive the tips at all. If you were on the 191cm, you’d still have lots of tip in powder at +5cm but on the 184cm I’d maybe go back a cm or so from that. At plus 3-4cm it would still be very playful and balanced in the air and might be a bit less fussy on your stance in powder.

Like many new skis from the factory it seems, my Fishers 102 bases weren’t flat and the edge angles were all over the place. Tuned the edges and made them way better and got them stone ground flat over the summer and haven’t tried them yet. Should be more playful and more stable than before even with sharp edges tip to tail. If you feel the need to detune a modern ski(besides a park ski used on rails of course) there are usually base flatness or edge bevel issues that would be better solved with a grind and tune.

animatorI might do +3! I’ll have our other tech make sure I’m good on the edges, that’s great advice man! I just do mounts lmao

anders_ajsks hotshot?

PoubtvOne came by the shop I work at:
Super heavy (2300g a ski, pretty tough to tour) but superrrrrr soft when I flexed the ski. I think they charge hard regardless of the stiffness but something to keep in mind. O

skeirmanDamn the Ranger 102 retails for $800. That's a lot.

anders_aooo now this is my favorite category

Ranger 102 FR is the best so far of what I've tested. bumping mount forward is no problem

revolt 104 is VERY promising, but I dont think you can hit the same 50-60mph as the rangers, will test hopefully today/tomorrow

New faction 2021 CT 2.0 and 3.0 are very promising, mostly the 2.0 for higher speeds, will let you know when I get bindings to put on them and.. can skiiiii

m-free 108 needs to be mentioned, our version of usps has spent a solid week getting them the last 20-25 minute ride to me from sorting hub here, still not arrived, on tuesday it will have spent a full 2 weeks! not arriving.

jsks hotshot? fairly progressive mount, missed the nocturnal graphics, and the current ones for sale are... meeeeeeh, but hopeing this will be good

black crows justis, 100mm, got mine mounted -7? iirc not very much fun going slow, only tested them 2 days at our indoors so far, but hey, very few longer radius and stiff skis are fun at our indoors.

black crows atris mounted -5 or -6 (rec -8) I need to actually ski mine

prodigy 3.'s in longest length?

enforcer 110 is quite good, I love it for trees and such, but all out speed and edgegrip I dont think it can touch the enforcer 102

dynastar menace 98 needs to be mentioned, guessing a bit to narrow have yet to test mine

holyshred aka blackops 98, again to skinny?



sender TI 194cm or sender squad? 106? 112mm iirc, I only flex and touched them in store, the squad is burly.

need to tag @Greg_K as we both love to charge on twins

**This post was edited on Dec 12th 2020 at 9:14:18am

**This post was edited on Dec 12th 2020 at 9:16:15am

SupperJumpsHave you been on the 191 Enforcer 104 Free? Trying to decide between that and the Ranger 102 FR for the PNW.

anders_athe enforcers DO NOT SCALE WELL! meaning longer length enforcers, most of the time are less ski than the 185/186.



I've owned pretty much all of the enforcers, some at multiple lengths.



that said the 104 free is a very good ski! its just way less chargy than the 102 FR, and a much worse carver.

anders_athe enforcers DO NOT SCALE WELL! meaning longer length enforcers, most of the time are less ski than the 185/186.

Chunder_KhatWhy is this?

SupperJumps@anders_a I have the same question. I've only ridden the Enforcer 104's in a size 191 thinking they'd be more chargy than the 186. I'm 6'4" 200lbs and I typically like skis in the 190ish range. I could push them hard, but the shovels definitely get pretty flappy at high speeds and there were a couple times they got a little hooky and spooky on me. I yard saled on these going pretty fast in some chop, which I hadn't done in years lol. All in all, one of the more fun skis I've been on, but it left me wishing it was a bit more chargy. It's definitely not a ski that I'd feel comfortable straight-lining. They were so fun though, I'm trying to decide if I want to buy a pair and just live with the fact that I can't go balls to the walls... or if I should see if there's something else out there that shares most of the qualities that make it such a fun ski with a little more charging capabilities. It's sounding like the 191 Ranger 102 FR miiiiiight be that(?).

Chunder_KhatHow were the edges tuned? Enforcers apparently have a reputation for being too sharp from the factory and feeling hooky and dangerous out of the box, and needing a detune at the tips/tails. When I recently felt the edges of some 191 104 in the store, they felt like they were so sharp they'd cut paper.

I recently demo'd the 104 in 186 (I think that's the next size down) and holy shit I felt like there was nothing I could not do on those skis. I was hitting lines on them clearly faster or more confidently than I do on my own skis. I am 6'4" 215lbs., very strong skier, and always ride skis 190+.

But now I am wondering if I should get the 186 or the 191. I'm still leaning toward the 191.

anders_aenforcers, and why they dont scale well, they just add length to the longest skis in their lineup, they dont add enough material to "back it up" meaning its got the same underfood with, not more material, not higher sidewalls etc. this makes the shorter length enforcers stiff, and longer... flappy and less torsional stiff as well, its just not ideal. the longest length you should buy is 185/186.



imagine a 2x4 plank, or 1x4", balance it on your shoulder at longer and shorter lenghts, and exactly the same thing happens with skis, without construction change, the larger models just dont work out.

now lets jump to the 102 FR, in 191 vs 184, its 5-6mm wider underfoot! its actually a 106.5mm.. or was it 107.5mm underfoot where the 184 is 101,5 or something similar, so it scales! the 191 is more ski than the 184, more float than 184.

now with that said, the 184 102 is still more chargy than the 104 free in 185/186. at 6'3/242 lbs I can still carve hard/fest on +2 mounted 102fr, and +3 mounted 191 102 fr. they are happy up to 50-55mph easy on firm conditions.



104 free is easier to ski slow in tight trees, but the speed limit where its happy is 40-45? max. and in general a very easy going ski.

OhJay2021 ARV 106. Heavier and stiffer than last year, and a longer effective edge for a pretty close true twin tip, I’d bet they carve well (again, for a close to true twin tip). Both reviews below seem to agree.

https://www.newschoolers.com/news/read/In-Depth-Review-2021-Armada-ARV-106-Roofbox

https://skiprofiles.com/armada-arv-106-ski-review/

SupperJumpsThanks for clarifying! Before I pull the trigger on some 191 Ranger 102 FR’s, are there any other skis you recommend with a similar feel to the Enforcer 104’s?

anders_ayou have to describe what of the E104 you want/like from the E104.

184 vs 191 102 Fr is float as major difference

SupperJumpsThought I should update for anyone interested. I just received my new pair of 2022 Ranger 102s, size 191. Threw them on the scale and they ended up being ~2040 grams per ski. Way less than the advertised weight. Not sure what they changed with the construction from 2019 to 2022 but I’m thinking about returning them. Bummer.

Chunder_KhatDamn that sucks bro. Are you thinking about the 104 Free's instead, or back to the drawing board?

SupperJumpsThought I should update for anyone interested. I just received my new pair of 2022 Ranger 102s, size 191. Threw them on the scale and they ended up being ~2040 grams per ski. Way less than the advertised weight. Not sure what they changed with the construction from 2019 to 2022 but I’m thinking about returning them. Bummer.

anders_aI can throw a pair of 2022 191 to check as well.



Flex feels good though?

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