PSA Dogs aren’t conscious

CatdickBojanglesYour just mad cause you don't have a dog and your mom won't let you get one.

DIRTYBUBBLEAlso slightly related, I went to a Catholic high school and we had to take theology/religious philosophy classes. In one class we were talking about the concept of love. The teacher told us love is reserved for humans only. Someone asked if it was possible to love a dog. The teacher said no. I witnessed a classroom full of lifelong Catholics become atheists right on the spot.

HYP3R_REAL1TYa dog has no capacity for internal thought, for example it does not see a cookie jar then plan for several days on the best way to open it, dogs do not sit back and strategise. Perhaps a defining characteristic of our consciousness - the ability to have internal thought.

HYP3R_REAL1TYlike most animals dogs are unconscious reactive automata. Simply responding to the environment around them through learned behaviour and reactive behaviour which is instilled into their brains through thousands of years of breeding.

BLandzBecause an overwhelming amount of ppl think animals arent as special as we are but I think thats fucked cause we are all equal, we are just smart enough to think deeply and make difficult decisions

DIRTYBUBBLElol what no we are definitely not equal. We are the top of the food chain. That’s why humans rule the earth and not apes

BLandzYou realize this is exactly what humans are right. The first humans that ever existed didn’t do calculus dude. Were all the same. Humans just have bigger brains

OregonDeadHumans have bigger brains than dogs on average but there are a number of intelligent species that have bigger brains than humans

BLandzYou realize this is exactly what humans are right. The first humans that ever existed didn’t do calculus dude. Were all the same. Humans just have bigger brains

BLandzYa ur right that is very true but you get my point tho right? What I should have said is that we are smarter not bigger brain

SofaKingSickPSA: if you're curious about scientific subjects, read actual articles and not half-bullshit "PSAs" from people online called "HYPER REALITY." this is amateur pseudoscience at best

HYP3R_REAL1TYPalaeolithic humans had no form of consciousness, so yes they where that. But through minute progressions in communication stemming from hunting and warning signals etc humans slowly began to develop language. And from this language arose the ability to be conscious. As our ability to communicate through language becomes more complex so does our need to have a mental state to understand and put to use this very language.

milk_mantf you mean OP? I'll have you know that my emotional support dog is just as much of a human as you and should be treated as such

OregonDeadSmarter is hard to measure. Don’t really think we have a great way to compare between species. IDK maybe it is just all about brain size. Possibly whales are the smartest

HYP3R_REAL1TYPalaeolithic humans had no form of consciousness, so yes they where that. But through minute progressions in communication stemming from hunting and warning signals etc humans slowly began to develop language. And from this language arose the ability to be conscious. As our ability to communicate through language becomes more complex so does our need to have a mental state to understand and put to use this very language.

HYP3R_REAL1TYAd hominem

thanks for your constructive contribution to the thread.

SofaKingSicknothing "constructive" is going to take place in this thread, that's my point

dogs have shown varying degrees of social cognition, meta cognition (thoughts about thoughts), and possibly even self-awareness through odor versions of the "mirror test" etc

it isn't a shut case but your confident, condescending claim that they 100% are purely reactive is just not a solid claim. even one of the things you predicate your claim on, that language is the only possible way to achieve consciousness, isn't as clear cut and definitively known as you present it to be

if someone is interested in learning more about this question and what scientists do and don't know about it, they should not go to you looking for answers, they should go read actual articles on the subject

BLandzId have to disagree man. They are living things that obviously make choices, they just don’t have the mental capacity to think like humans do. Would you say an autistic kid isn't conscious because it cant make decisions like a normal person? Look at police dogs, they’re much more capable of making decisions than SOME people with mental disabilities.

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BLandz^^ straight up man.

Saying “Palaeolithic humans had no form of consciousnes” is honestly the most ridiculous thing ive heard in a while. That shit just doesnt make any sense and id like OP to show scientific proof of his claims because at least im admitting I don’t know the answer, this dudes just acting like he knows exactly what hes talking about hahah

HYP3R_REAL1TYWhy does your dog not pet you? You obviously pet your dog and he/she enjoys it. Surely your dog would sit back and think “hey that feels pretty good, why don’t I return the favour”

HYP3R_REAL1TYWhy does your dog not pet you? You obviously pet your dog and he/she enjoys it. Surely your dog would sit back and think “hey that feels pretty good, why don’t I return the favour”

SofaKingSicknothing "constructive" is going to take place in this thread, that's my point

dogs have shown varying degrees of social cognition, meta cognition (thoughts about thoughts), and possibly even self-awareness through odor versions of the "mirror test" etc

it isn't a shut case but your confident, condescending claim that they 100% are purely reactive is just not a solid claim. even one of the things you predicate your claim on, that language is the only possible way to achieve consciousness, isn't as clear cut and definitively known as you present it to be

if someone is interested in learning more about this question and what scientists do and don't know about it, they should not go to you looking for answers, they should go read actual articles on the subject

BLandzWhat in the fuck does that have anything to do with what I said there hahaha.

You’re whole argument is basically that dogs arent smart enough to have gained a conscious.


https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/947535/This-compilation-of-smart-dogs-will-leave-you-astonished-

Watch that video and tell me are those dogs conscious or not. Because they are obviously smarter than some of the people I know

HYP3R_REAL1TYWhy does it not make any sense?

BoostMaG

This dog rips

HYP3R_REAL1TYWhy does your dog not pet you? You obviously pet your dog and he/she enjoys it. Surely your dog would sit back and think “hey that feels pretty good, why don’t I return the favour”

HYP3R_REAL1TYPalaeolithic humans had no form of consciousness, so yes they where that. But through minute progressions in communication stemming from hunting and warning signals etc humans slowly began to develop language. And from this language arose the ability to be conscious. As our ability to communicate through language becomes more complex so does our need to have a mental state to understand and put to use this very language.

HYP3R_REAL1TYYou’re correlating animal intelligence to consciousness.

HYP3R_REAL1TYHow is it not a solid claim that dogs are reflexive and are well tuned to the niches of their masters?

BLandz

If you gain consciousness through learning that implies that you were unconscious before you learned anything in the first place. You can’t learn/understand things if you arent already conscious. You should probably back up your argument with proof or facts it seems like ur just making this shit up

SharkoI thought you didn’t do drugs anymore?

SofaKingSickthat....what? that wasn't your claim. your claim is that that is the absolute extent of their cognition and that people are wrong to think there's anything more going on that approaches self awareness and thoughts about thoughts

Craw_DaddyAnything with a nervous system is conscious to a certain extent. What sets humans apart is our ability to relate abstract concepts to the world around us. That likely evolved from our capacity for spoken language and social behavior. Here's an interesting video on a theory for the origin of spoken language if you're interested.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/947512/The-Cognitive-Tradeoff-Hypothesis

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Craw_DaddySpoken language predates humans and dogs are social animals that are absolutely capable of feeling empathy if that is what you're basing your definition of "consciousness" on.

BiffbarfThe universe is not a clockwork system. There is more to consciousness, what it means and what contains it, then we could ever imagine.

10/10 b9 m9

HYP3R_REAL1TYYou’re wrong. In the start I said dogs are unconscious automata, which directly ties in to reflexiveness. See now you’re just commiting logical and argumentative fallacies, with a more personal slant. And I think in saying that it wouldn’t be wrong to say you have feelings about the subject which is evident because your very first reply to this thread was a personal attack. I think you should take more time to try and be open to new ideas.