I started a petition to appeal to the higher ups of the cottonwood resorts to leave the ikon pass. Please sign
http://chng.it/kPqyrb7VGq
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eheathBeen talking to a few different people about this, apparently Alta already wants out. But I heard they signed 3 year contracts, so we'll see what happens, a petition might not help much TBH.
eheathBeen talking to a few different people about this, apparently Alta already wants out. But I heard they signed 3 year contracts, so we'll see what happens, a petition might not help much TBH.
eheathNote I don't have anything official on this, just rumors at this point.
BigPurpleSkiSuitIts better than nothing though.
WeastcoastAlexI haven't had the misfortune of experiencing the ramifications of IKON in LCC yet, but in lake tahoe area is has been absolutely awful. Skiiers at Heavenly reported it taking 4 hours to go less than 20 miles from south lake.
All of these issues are caused by, if you can believe it or not, under priced season-passes. It gives people too much access knowing that if they spent 2-3 days at any major resort in California/Utah/Colorado buying lift tickets it'll already outweigh a season-pass
ps-brace yourself for these upcoming pass prices
WeastcoastAlexI haven't had the misfortune of experiencing the ramifications of IKON in LCC yet, but in lake tahoe area is has been absolutely awful. Skiiers at Heavenly reported it taking 4 hours to go less than 20 miles from south lake.
All of these issues are caused by, if you can believe it or not, under priced season-passes. It gives people too much access knowing that if they spent 2-3 days at any major resort in California/Utah/Colorado buying lift tickets it'll already outweigh a season-pass
ps-brace yourself for these upcoming pass prices
eheathEven if IKON leaves the cottonwoods, it's still going to be super crowded with tons of traffic brother.
SFBv420.0i bet if you spent the same amount of time on wheel spinning ski gabbering ait gonna happen shizz as skiing
youd be spansered
your tinder games
must be as lames
DeebieSkeebiesIkon hates becomming the new popular epic pass hate which is funny lol. Its understandable though, especially if you live in/frequent the communities the passes affect.
I feel like cottonwood canyon powder days and traffic are synonymous with each other. Just give it another few weeks and you'll have the place semi to yourself. Late march to may/june (if we can still ski) is what keeps me coming back to LCC year after year. Sloppy late storms no one really likes, easy drives up the canyon, corn skiing, sunshine, rowdy lines, etc.
DeebieSkeebiesIkon hates becomming the new popular epic pass hate which is funny lol. Its understandable though, especially if you live in/frequent the communities the passes affect.
I feel like cottonwood canyon powder days and traffic are synonymous with each other. Just give it another few weeks and you'll have the place semi to yourself. Late march to may/june (if we can still ski) is what keeps me coming back to LCC year after year. Sloppy late storms no one really likes, easy drives up the canyon, corn skiing, sunshine, rowdy lines, etc.
@LANTASKIi think Snowbird will stay on it , not surprised about Alta wanting out
It’s as much as a gaper magnet as the EPIC
Traffic has been almost unbearable this year but haven’t noticed the mtn getting tracked out any quicker
Aspen TimesJackson Hole Mountain Resort officials disclosed last month that Ikon Pass holders had accounted for 14 percent of skier days as of mid-February, according to a Feb. 13 article in the Jackson Hole News & Guide headlined, “Riled locals blame Ikon Pass for resort crowding.”
jakeordiehttps://www.aspentimes.com/news/local/ski-industry-heavyweights-prepare-for-round-two-of-pass-war/
14% is 1 in 7, and how many of those would have still shown up and just paid for a ticket some other way.
I get that the number is probably higher at resorts that are closer to a big city/airport and easier to drive to than Jackson, but it's a small price to pay for watching Vail lose the war they started.
SkiBum.This is the new normal. Get used to it.
The “im a local and it was better back then” is a dumb argument.
I ski weekends. I have an icon pass. It’s busy but plan better and it’s not an issue. I’ve waiting once in traffic this year. And it was leaving.
The ikon pass is awesome. I’ve traveled and skied to big Sky, Jackson, aspen, so far along with all my “home”’resorts in Utah and still have mammoth planned and maybe squaw for spring.
You want to get away from people. Go skin or sled in Uintas. Did that for 2 years. You won’t see many people and terrain is great.
I live in PC and am over the complaining about everything ski or busy or housing related. My response is if you don’t like it move. My tolerance is minimal these days.
RRhighriderI don't really think that the season pass sales is the issue creating Tahoe traffic. I remember over twenty years ago a big storm came through and it took use 12 hours to get from Tahoe City to the 80 where they turned us around. The combination of a lot of snow with people who are inexperienced in the mountains is always a disaster.
SkiBum.This is the new normal. Get used to it.
The “im a local and it was better back then” is a dumb argument.
I ski weekends. I have an icon pass. It’s busy but plan better and it’s not an issue. I’ve waiting once in traffic this year. And it was leaving.
The ikon pass is awesome. I’ve traveled and skied to big Sky, Jackson, aspen, so far along with all my “home”’resorts in Utah and still have mammoth planned and maybe squaw for spring.
You want to get away from people. Go skin or sled in Uintas. Did that for 2 years. You won’t see many people and terrain is great.
I live in PC and am over the complaining about everything ski or busy or housing related. My response is if you don’t like it move. My tolerance is minimal these days.
@LANTASKIIf you haven’t had traffic issues in Utah as a Ikon (gaper) pass holder you either
1. Ski like 5 times a year on weekdays
2. Get to the hill at 5 am don’t leave until 8 pm
I have over 25 days this year at the bird and Alta and with the exception of maybe 1 early season weekend I’ve waited anywhere from 30-1hr 30 min in traffic , which is completely unacceptable
SkiBum.Sounds like you’re doing it wrong. Most my weekends are in big cottonwood but few random days in little. I wake up 6-6:30 every day for work so I just do the same for ski days. I’m out the door by 7, usually up at the resorts just before 8. Relax get some coffee and breakfast then first chair. I’m usually done by noon. Then home. No trafffic.
@LANTASKIyou must not like skiing that much since its hard to stack vertical in BCC and over only a Half day...yeesh... sounds like youre doing it wrong
The Alta Magic is at its zenith in the 2-4 pm timeframe
eheathSome local old dude at alta told me the ikon pass was 30% of skier days, idk if its true, but if jackson is 14%, alta could easily be 20%+
ericaJackson was at 14%, but keep in mind that's also counting all of December when there's no tourism before Christmas, and there's a locals pass that gets you unlimited skiing before the 21st or so.
I hate to sound like an entitled prick, but Jackson simply doesn't have the infrastructure to handle the traffic that the pass haS brought to the valley. Loved the mountain collective because it brought people in affordably for shorter periods of time/ makes it financially feasible for someone to come for a weekend. Now, here I am sitting in an hour of traffic on my 10 mile commute, which would typically take me 15 minutes to drive.
Also: increased injuries and accidents on the mountain, people getting lost in the Backcountry, etc.
Also: I spent $2,200 on my season pass, lift lines are worse on a horrible snow day than they used to be on a powder day, and I don't get free skiing at any of the other IKON destinations anyway.
F*** the Ikon Pass. I'Kont handle it anymore. Anyone selling a snowmobile?
eheathSome local old dude at alta told me the ikon pass was 30% of skier days, idk if its true, but if jackson is 14%, alta could easily be 20%+
ericaJackson was at 14%, but keep in mind that's also counting all of December when there's no tourism before Christmas, and there's a locals pass that gets you unlimited skiing before the 21st or so.
I hate to sound like an entitled prick, but Jackson simply doesn't have the infrastructure to handle the traffic that the pass haS brought to the valley. Loved the mountain collective because it brought people in affordably for shorter periods of time/ makes it financially feasible for someone to come for a weekend. Now, here I am sitting in an hour of traffic on my 10 mile commute, which would typically take me 15 minutes to drive.
Also: increased injuries and accidents on the mountain, people getting lost in the Backcountry, etc.
Also: I spent $2,200 on my season pass, lift lines are worse on a horrible snow day than they used to be on a powder day, and I don't get free skiing at any of the other IKON destinations anyway.
F*** the Ikon Pass. I'Kont handle it anymore. Anyone selling a snowmobile?
Randolikon pass is off the shits in aspen. Longest lines I've ever seen at Highlands
SkiBum.I skied Highlands Saturday Jan 12 from bell to bell and Snowmass Sunday 13th and didn’t have a line all day. Both days were bluebird 10/10 snow. Didn’t see the crowds there...
SkiBum.Also, let’s take another look at this. 5-10 years ago ski resorts were screaming about flat numbers and how to attract new skiers or boarders. Pass prices just continued to climb. (I remember living in the east coast and Stratton was the first to break $50/day ticket. We thought they were crazy. Now look at it). So pass prices go up, no new skiers, everyone wants to figure out how to get the “millennials” to come ski. Welcome to the multi resort passes for an affordable price. Record number of pass sales with Epic pass and now we have competition with Ikon. Young people buy and travel and ski. New skiers are coming. Ski areas are benefiting in many ways.
mystery3This does sound super entitled. J hole has been a playground for the ultra-wealthy for a long time before the Ikon pass came along. $2200 for a season pass and let me guess...lifties still make $12/hour?
I think the blame for traffic falls on resorts/local municipalities/politicians equally for not having any foresight or willingness to build mass-transit systems. It's a complicated problem, sure, but not one that has gone unsolved.
Let's all just bear down for another three weeks, April can roll around which is the "end of ski season" for many people, and we can all enjoy tons of spring laps in peace and sunshine with little traffic and mostly chill folks.
snomasterAnd you've lived in Jackson for how long? 3 years? I lived there 04-14 but couldn't swing it forever. So now I live in Denver and have an Ikon pass. I will make it to Jackson for my second long weekend of the season next week and I hope to snake all of your lines. Ima try for sure.
But really is it me, OR is it you that moved there after me that is the real problem? Or is there a problem with people trying to have fun at all?
Oh and I'm going to buy another Ikon pass for next year very soon. And Jackson is a confirmed Ikon location once again. Muhahaha! It's such a good deal! And I won't hardly spend a dime in the town because we stay with my brother who grows and raises most of the food we will eat.
But seriously stop being so entitled. Everyone just wants to rip.
snomasterSo now I live in Denver and have an Ikon pass. I will make it to Jackson for my second long weekend of the season next week and I hope to snake all of your lines. Ima try for sure.