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Edgeless on Resort
According to the NS short review of the BDOG Edgless, skiing them on a mountain isn't terrible except on ice (the whole east coast) so will the BDOG Edgeless be a option for a 100% park ski? Were talking not even skiing a green trail just dedicated park will it work on mountain. I've read threads talking about a edgeless ski on a resort/mountain surface and it barely working but is it possible the Edgeless will?
skiswerveAccording to the NS short review of the BDOG Edgless, skiing them on a mountain isn't terrible except on ice (the whole east coast) so will the BDOG Edgeless be a option for a 100% park ski? Were talking not even skiing a green trail just dedicated park will it work on mountain. I've read threads talking about a edgeless ski on a resort/mountain surface and it barely working but is it possible the Edgeless will?
Doubt it because there isn't really an advantage but there are tons of negatives. Rails on resorts are made with metals meant to be slid on. It's not like the streets where you are seeing rough stone features, wood, soft metals, etc.
WoosDoubt it because there isn't really an advantage but there are tons of negatives. Rails on resorts are made with metals meant to be slid on. It's not like the streets where you are seeing rough stone features, wood, soft metals, etc.
Pretty much this. The other issue is if you have to do an emergency hockey stop on a landing or run in if a kid snakes a jump etc. Even in Colorado the parks can get pretty hard and icy and I see not having edges as an all around bad idea.
Don't buy an edgeless ski for resorts honestly. I remember the burton dominnt I think. People tried to use that and it sucked balls.
If you're worried about catching a rail, just round your edges under foot.
Park rails slide fine even on slightly detuned edges. There's literally no benefit I can think of and not being able to turn is not good at all. If you barely ever ride a resort and are filming in the streets 5 days a week, maybe go for it. If you're riding resort parks mostly, sounds like a bad time, even if the snow is good.
If you're worried about catching a rail, just round your edges under foot.
Park rails slide fine even on slightly detuned edges. There's literally no benefit I can think of and not being able to turn is not good at all. If you barely ever ride a resort and are filming in the streets 5 days a week, maybe go for it. If you're riding resort parks mostly, sounds like a bad time, even if the snow is good.
Twig rode the edgless BDog and talked about it here:
https://www.newschoolers.com/news/read/Tested-5-2020-Skis
The first thing to note about the BDog Edgeless is that it’s actually not that bad to ski on snow. I could ski around Copper with relatively little difficulty except on ice patches and they slide rails like a dream.
https://www.newschoolers.com/news/read/Tested-5-2020-Skis
SklarTwig rode the edgless BDog and talked about it here:
https://www.newschoolers.com/news/read/Tested-5-2020-Skis
Interesting
yesir it works anywhere and it’s real playful, in the right conditions. obviously ice is it’s worst enemy but if you got basic skills you can get around fairly well. they are great for butters, presses, pops and consistency on rail of all kind. but if you tryna ski in a gs race you prally not winning
would be a great ski for hood
SklarTwig rode the edgless BDog and talked about it here:
To elaborate on this a bit, I rode them on a pretty average day at Copper. For reference, the snow was good/grippy in most places but with some icy patches. At Copper there is a pretty lengthy lap to/from the park, especially if you are using the American Flyer lift which takes you past the test center so I ended up doing a decent amount of actual skiing on them and they really are fine on decent snow. You're not ripping angled out carving turns but you can navigate the mountain without any issue. In the park, the snow was good and I had no problem lining up for features or anything like that. They slide like a dream on even 'sticky' rails and I don't really see why you couldn't ski them in the park most days where I normally ride (Saas Fee, Switzerland). On the icy patches they were sketchy for sure but I heavily detune my edges with a belt sander on all my park skis anyway, so it wasn't THAT much worse. To me at least, yes you can ski them in the park and actually I think they will open up some new opportunities there that we haven't seen yet, but I probably wouldn't want them as my only ski.
Other points to note:
- The flex is insanely smooth without edges too.
- Scissoring on rails feels weird. You need to exaggerate it way more.
- Durability wise, I obviously can't comment yet but we have a pair for Roofbox Reviews so we'll hopefully get more of a read on that.
Incidentally, I'm not gonna be the guy skiing these for Roofbox, it's Mark Hendry (markymark) who is out on the east coast, so we should also get an answer of what they are like there.
TwigTo elaborate on this a bit, I rode them on a pretty average day at Copper. For reference, the snow was good/grippy in most places but with some icy patches. At Copper there is a pretty lengthy lap to/from the park, especially if you are using the American Flyer lift which takes you past the test center so I ended up doing a decent amount of actual skiing on them and they really are fine on decent snow. You're not ripping angled out carving turns but you can navigate the mountain without any issue. In the park, the snow was good and I had no problem lining up for features or anything like that. They slide like a dream on even 'sticky' rails and I don't really see why you couldn't ski them in the park most days where I normally ride (Saas Fee, Switzerland). On the icy patches they were sketchy for sure but I heavily detune my edges with a belt sander on all my park skis anyway, so it wasn't THAT much worse. To me at least, yes you can ski them in the park and actually I think they will open up some new opportunities there that we haven't seen yet, but I probably wouldn't want them as my only ski.
Other points to note:
- The flex is insanely smooth without edges too.
- Scissoring on rails feels weird. You need to exaggerate it way more.
- Durability wise, I obviously can't comment yet but we have a pair for Roofbox Reviews so we'll hopefully get more of a read on that.
Incidentally, I'm not gonna be the guy skiing these for Roofbox, it's Mark Hendry (markymark) who is out on the east coast, so we should also get an answer of what they are like there.
This is the detailed opinion we needed! Have any companies tried edges except underfoot like a cross breed of edges and edgeless.
b-dogyesir it works anywhere and it’s real playful, in the right conditions. obviously ice is it’s worst enemy but if you got basic skills you can get around fairly well. they are great for butters, presses, pops and consistency on rail of all kind. but if you tryna ski in a gs race you prally not winning
Haha damn was gonna shred them in a race, so you think for a dominant park person they could get them to and from the park with no issues? I mean my home mountain is all ice ALL ICE, theres not much of a way around it.
skiswerveHaha damn was gonna shred them in a race, so you think for a dominant park person they could get them to and from the park with no issues? I mean my home mountain is all ice ALL ICE, theres not much of a way around it.
These skis at a commonly icy place sounds awful. I don’t see any good reason to get them if that’s the case...it’s not like they’re that cheap
SofaKingSickThese skis at a commonly icy place sounds awful. I don’t see any good reason to get them if that’s the case...it’s not like they’re that cheap
My friend has Moment Vices that have 0 edge (fell off) and he can still ski but there two very different skis
skiswerveMy friend has Moment Vices that have 0 edge (fell off) and he can still ski but there two very different skis
Oh you can for sure do it, I’ve used skis after their edges rip out. Im just saying that buying them with that edge status seems like a losing play if you ski an icy hill, the cons just outweigh the pros imo
SofaKingSickOh you can for sure do it, I’ve used skis after their edges rip out. Im just saying that buying them with that edge status seems like a losing play if you ski an icy hill, the cons just outweigh the pros imo
I agree, at the same time tho it looks like a fucking amazing ski especially the flex, now how do we incorporate everything from the edgless into a regular ski? Any body else think the graphic was a let down also?
skiswerveHaha damn was gonna shred them in a race, so you think for a dominant park person they could get them to and from the park with no issues? I mean my home mountain is all ice ALL ICE, theres not much of a way around it.
Edgeless Chinese Downhill. MAKE IT HAPPEN
SuspiciousFishEdgeless Chinese Downhill. MAKE IT HAPPEN
Those plastic skis would be perfect vessels for this voyage of most certain death.
I probably won't buy a pair of them, but I would love, love, love to see how these butter. I'd guess they have a reeeaalllly smooth flex and that they will be super fun on slushy spring days. Also, has no one else ever jibbed a tree, rock or rusty snow making pipe on the mountain? They'd be great for that type of stuff.
The b-dogs aren't the first edgeless ski either. Smart skis out of Vermont has been making wooden edgeless skis for a while, although many hardwoods if you put an edge on them would hold a formidable edge even on hard groomers compared with plastic.
The b-dogs aren't the first edgeless ski either. Smart skis out of Vermont has been making wooden edgeless skis for a while, although many hardwoods if you put an edge on them would hold a formidable edge even on hard groomers compared with plastic.
Anything is doable, it just might not be as enjoyable on some days or areas. Any sort of steel edges weren't invented until 1926 so....
Is there some sort of faux edge? Like ptex edges or wooden edges or does the base just meet the sidewall?
CatdickBojanglesIs there some sort of faux edge? Like ptex edges or wooden edges or does the base just meet the sidewall?
literally just edge a small sidewall and topsheet literally a ski without a edge
skiswerveliterally just edge a small sidewall and topsheet literally a ski without a edge
Got it. Wasn’t sure how they were going to do it. I’ll be interested to see how durable it is without edges too. I wish 9th ward could have dropped the replaceable underfoot edgeless ski before they died.
CatdickBojanglesGot it. Wasn’t sure how they were going to do it. I’ll be interested to see how durable it is without edges too. I wish 9th ward could have dropped the replaceable underfoot edgeless ski before they died.
I mean idk about durability but they'll hit rails fine and prolly never will go bad i guess the "sides" will just shave down
skiswerveI mean idk about durability but they'll hit rails fine and prolly never will go bad i guess the "sides" will just shave down
You don’t think big impacts on the underfoot without an edge there won’t just blow the sidewall out?
CatdickBojanglesYou don’t think big impacts on the underfoot without an edge there won’t just blow the sidewall out?
what is the "sidewall" tho there very thin
TwigTo elaborate on this a bit, I rode them on a pretty average day at Copper. For reference, the snow was good/grippy in most places but with some icy patches. At Copper there is a pretty lengthy lap to/from the park, especially if you are using the American Flyer lift which takes you past the test center so I ended up doing a decent amount of actual skiing on them and they really are fine on decent snow. You're not ripping angled out carving turns but you can navigate the mountain without any issue. In the park, the snow was good and I had no problem lining up for features or anything like that. They slide like a dream on even 'sticky' rails and I don't really see why you couldn't ski them in the park most days where I normally ride (Saas Fee, Switzerland). On the icy patches they were sketchy for sure but I heavily detune my edges with a belt sander on all my park skis anyway, so it wasn't THAT much worse. To me at least, yes you can ski them in the park and actually I think they will open up some new opportunities there that we haven't seen yet, but I probably wouldn't want them as my only ski.
Other points to note:
- The flex is insanely smooth without edges too.
- Scissoring on rails feels weird. You need to exaggerate it way more.
- Durability wise, I obviously can't comment yet but we have a pair for Roofbox Reviews so we'll hopefully get more of a read on that.
Incidentally, I'm not gonna be the guy skiing these for Roofbox, it's Mark Hendry (markymark) who is out on the east coast, so we should also get an answer of what they are like there.
I'm on that pair right now, and I'm about to take them out to Maine to hit some spots. They really do ski totally fine. Ski shapes have come a long way, and Armada knows what they are doing.
The flex is definitely smooth. First thing I did at the top was a proper tail manny. I also jumped on a pair of vishnus today and got to experience them side by side. they are really close in terms of tail manny potential.
I have 3 days on hill and 1 spot so far. They already have some damage, but it was almost all from the spot. They could 100% be a daily driver park ski if you ski out west imo. I'm at bush, so theres ice, but they are rideable once you adjust your weight/stance for the lack of edges.
skiswerveI agree, at the same time tho it looks like a fucking amazing ski especially the flex, now how do we incorporate everything from the edgless into a regular ski? Any body else think the graphic was a let down also?
Well, you could. I think it would be a great ski, but I have a very specific preference for skis. I might like different aspects than other people, like the very tight turning radius. I love that shit. Some people love fat carves tho. I bet alot of people would like it tho.
Regardless,
the graphics are sexy.
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