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I have been skiing for my whole life on race ski's. Sometimes I go to the snowpark to do some boxen and jumps but I have always wanted to do a rail sideways. Or a pipe. I was wondering whether it is possible to do with Fischer rc4 racing ski's.
Yes you can but you probably shouldn't/ Racing edges matter, park not so much. Save your racing skis for racing and get some beat up park skis with detuned edges for the rails.
You totally can but 1) those edges are prob sharp and that will make sliding the rail a little tougher/less forgiving. I'd say do a slick box first. And 2) rails do a number on your edges. If you're interested in your race skis staying sharp and high performance I wouldn't hit rails on them much if at all
9/10 would not recommend for someone looking to start getting comfy with having one foot in front on rails - edges are going to be sketch. Also race skis are not built to take the same hits as park skis. Slamming edges into rails etc will do a toll on race skis extremely quick. Different durability for different things.
But by all means, try it if you want lol
wesselmtI have been skiing for my whole life on race ski's. Sometimes I go to the snowpark to do some boxen and jumps but I have always wanted to do a rail sideways. Or a pipe. I was wondering whether it is possible to do with Fischer rc4 racing ski's.
Of course you can. Thing is, are you done racing them? If so you need to apply a long base bevel just like I told the other guy.
Look here and do it at least 1 degree. The file will tend to clog up as you go into the plastic. Use a medium or even a coarse file. Clean file with file brush frequently. Then diamond stone like crazy also cleaning them as you go. Use lots of fluid.
DominatorJacquesOf course you can. Thing is, are you done racing them? If so you need to apply a long base bevel just like I told the other guy.
Look here and do it at least 1 degree. The file will tend to clog up as you go into the plastic. Use a medium or even a coarse file. Clean file with file brush frequently. Then diamond stone like crazy also cleaning them as you go. Use lots of fluid.
DolanReloadedAgain, pls explain this base bevel more.
Here it is again. You need to watch until I finish the filing of one base edge. It's takes some time as I use a medium file here.
With a cross cut bastard or panzar it would be quicker. After the file, you polish with diamond stones. (shown later)
DominatorJacquesHere it is again. You need to watch until I finish the filing of one base edge. It's takes some time as I use a medium file here.
With a cross cut bastard or panzar it would be quicker. After the file, you polish with diamond stones. (shown later)
DolanReloadedI cant believe that guy spent 5 hours on a single pair of skis
Yea, nobody could. That's why I filmed the entire deal.
Keep in mind, there are 8 edges and four tips, sidewalls etc. so a lot of it is repetitive.
I do keep it as entertaining as possible though! Imagine taking for the whole time!!!!
So far they don't make a machine that can do what an artist can do by hand.
DominatorJacquesYea, nobody could. That's why I filmed the entire deal.
Keep in mind, there are 8 edges and four tips, sidewalls etc. so a lot of it is repetitive.
I do keep it as entertaining as possible though! Imagine taking for the whole time!!!!
So far they don't make a machine that can do what an artist can do by hand.
Wow. So are you rounding tbe edge when you bevel it or making it not reach as deep as the wax?
DolanReloadedWow. So are you rounding tbe edge when you bevel it or making it not reach as deep as the wax?
Dolan, watch more of the video. I can't spell it all out here.
The only rounding of the edges in this case was tips and tails.
Sometimes I will also round an edge just in front of the binding for folks that cross the skis jumping and bang that part together.
There is (or was) no de-tuning (rounding) of any part of the edge of these skis in the video.
Just a good long base bevel.
The guy frickin' loved them and said ZERO catching and awesome carvability when needed.
Dude been riding park for many years.
DominatorJacquesDolan, watch more of the video. I can't spell it all out here.
The only rounding of the edges in this case was tips and tails.
Sometimes I will also round an edge just in front of the binding for folks that cross the skis jumping and bang that part together.
There is (or was) no de-tuning (rounding) of any part of the edge of these skis in the video.
Just a good long base bevel.
The guy frickin' loved them and said ZERO catching and awesome carvability when needed.
Dude been riding park for many years.
i already spent a long time fishing through that ridiculously long 5 hour video.
Can you please just explain what youre doing with the rail bevel? Why does it help avoid catching on rails?
DolanReloadedi already spent a long time fishing through that ridiculously long 5 hour video.
Can you please just explain what youre doing with the rail bevel? Why does it help avoid catching on rails?
How many hours will you ski on a pair of skis?
The 5 and a half hours is worth it. It needs to be done when the skis are new. It will extend the life of the skis in rail riding.
If they were cap skis it would be quicker. Sandwich skis need sidewall shaping, so that takes longer.
Sorry you don't have the time.
Did you ever go to school to learn? Do you still go to school to learn? If so how many hours?
The help you want is in the educational video.
DominatorJacquesHow many hours will you ski on a pair of skis?
The 5 and a half hours is worth it. It needs to be done when the skis are new. It will extend the life of the skis in rail riding.
If they were cap skis it would be quicker. Sandwich skis need sidewall shaping, so that takes longer.
Sorry you don't have the time.
Did you ever go to school to learn? Do you still go to school to learn? If so how many hours?
The help you want is in the educational video.
5.5 hours is a lot though. At a certain point Id just grab a couple key points and wing it. If I was racing maybe, detuning not so much. Park skis get thrashed a bit regardless.
wesselmtI have been skiing for my whole life on race ski's. Sometimes I go to the snowpark to do some boxen and jumps but I have always wanted to do a rail sideways. Or a pipe. I was wondering whether it is possible to do with Fischer rc4 racing ski's.
First post hahaha
Posting about grinds on race skis
WHY DO YOU GUYS EVEN RESPOND TO THIS GARBAGE HOLY COW KILL THIS THREAD WITH FIRE
theabortionator5.5 hours is a lot though. At a certain point Id just grab a couple key points and wing it. If I was racing maybe, detuning not so much. Park skis get thrashed a bit regardless.
True because I go through all the repetitive steps. If one pokes through and speeds up the video a bit with the YT settings, one can get what is needed.
Anyway, for sliding rails only, the main thing is the base beveling. It's all in there somewhere! ;-)
Good things don't happen in just an hour or a few minutes.
That's why I provided the whole deal from top to bottom.
This can be done to a pair of SL skis on the base bevel and one can kill a rail, tube, or box.
WHY DO YOU GUYS EVEN RESPOND TO THIS GARBAGE HOLY COW KILL THIS THREAD WITH FIRE
CLEARLY A TROLL
GTFO
No, not true.
As for me I have more years of ski tuning experience than most here have been alive.
I freely share this through my videos.
Any ski can be set to slide rails.
Maybe that's the ski the OP had and can't buy another set right now.
Don't diss racer's, even though some are stuck up little punks.
Not all of them are. Some are way cool kids. Just like all things in life.
Let me see if I can find a video of some race trained kids doing park.
wesselmtI have been skiing for my whole life on race ski's. Sometimes I go to the snowpark to do some boxen and jumps but I have always wanted to do a rail sideways. Or a pipe. I was wondering whether it is possible to do with Fischer rc4 racing ski's.
They thinkin' you a troll. I'm giving you the benefit of a doubt. I know you are new here, but doesn't always mean Troll.
Someone I have been working skis for just gave me a cherry pair of those RC 4's at 155 cm.
I'm just finishing up more work on them and ski them real soon. I can't wait!
As I said above, you CAN slide a rail with them as long as you tune them as such.
Maybe even if you did not, but I would not recommend that because an SL ski may have only a .05 base bevel.
Dude a pedophile couldnt sit through 5 hours of a
Young emma Watson porno without passing out and goimg to sleep.
You expect me to sift through five hours of video to pull out a few minutes worth of actual explanation.
I cant even watch football with all the
Standing around
And
Waiting...
DolanReloadedDude a pedophile couldnt sit through 5 hours of a
Young emma Watson porno without passing out and goimg to sleep.
You expect me to sift through five hours of video to pull out a few minutes worth of actual explanation.
I cant even watch football with all the
Standing around
And
Waiting...
The long base bevel lifts the base edge higher and makes the ski a bit base high, but not in a convex way (unless the ski is already convex)
This way when you hit a rail, the base hits more than the edge. This helps also to preserve the edge and make it "catch free"
Sure it's way narrower under foot, but it's all in edge control. The correct angle of the ski in relation to the surface.
It can and is done.
Respect Gets Respect! You are correct!
DominatorJacquesSure it's way narrower under foot, but it's all in edge control. The correct angle of the ski in relation to the surface.
It can and is done.
Respect Gets Respect! You are correct!
I was thinking more about landing switch with a traditional mount and a flat tail. I respect all methods of snow sliding.
-eREKTion-I was thinking more about landing switch with a traditional mount and a flat tail. I respect all methods of snow sliding.
Actually the skis the OP is referring to do have a tail tip that is raised. One can ski them switch no problem.
Other than that, one does not have to have a center mount to ride rails. Once on the rail, underfoot is underfoot.
Skiing switch may be a bit different without a true center mount, but folks do it all the time. One learns the set up.
DominatorJacquesHa ha. I'm sure it can be done all day long and then some. I know kids that could ski a 2 x 4
There is a difference between 2 x 4s and razor sharp racing skis though. I could ski on dull but waxed 2 x 4 under the right circumstances. Josh Wong did it.Skiing on literal knives is a different story.
Also spending 5.5 hours detuning a park ski that'll get thrashed anyway is a waste of time tbh. It isn't worth it, like ON3P does an amazing job factory detuning their magnus skis and I highly doubt they spend 5.5 hours on just detuning alone. There is 100% a better method than the labor intensive one you have presented. You could argue that it'll "preserve the ski" but I am convinced what you do helps marginally at best.
Jesse_There is a difference between 2 x 4s and razor sharp racing skis though. I could ski on dull but waxed 2 x 4 under the right circumstances. Josh Wong did it.Skiing on literal knives is a different story.
Also spending 5.5 hours detuning a park ski that'll get thrashed anyway is a waste of time tbh. It isn't worth it, like ON3P does an amazing job factory detuning their magnus skis and I highly doubt they spend 5.5 hours on just detuning alone. There is 100% a better method than the labor intensive one you have presented. You could argue that it'll "preserve the ski" but I am convinced what you do helps marginally at best.
You are funny! The skis in the video were not de-tuned.
They were tuned for sliding rails. The edges were very sharp. Same as a "race" ski.
You really have an idea, yet you don't know jack.
Jesse_There is a difference between 2 x 4s and razor sharp racing skis though. I could ski on dull but waxed 2 x 4 under the right circumstances. Josh Wong did it.Skiing on literal knives is a different story.
Also spending 5.5 hours detuning a park ski that'll get thrashed anyway is a waste of time tbh. It isn't worth it, like ON3P does an amazing job factory detuning their magnus skis and I highly doubt they spend 5.5 hours on just detuning alone. There is 100% a better method than the labor intensive one you have presented. You could argue that it'll "preserve the ski" but I am convinced what you do helps marginally at best.
