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hot.pocket
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Moment Collection

If you're ever in the Reno area, stop by and say hi.

Phone: 775-527-1595
Email: info@momentskis.com
Hours: Tues-Fri 8am-6pm

Location:
1085 Bible Way
Reno, NV 89502

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Aug 2 2018 7:35PM
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ThaLorax
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hot.pocket101 Wildcat 174 = direct replacement for PB&J 172

You'll be plenty fine.


Loving the new skis. But do you guys use a different edge material now? I've got 4-5 days on them, and without knowingly having hit anything bad, and have two weird jagged dents on the edges already.
Jan 22 2022 3:45PM
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closeyetfar11
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Just mounted up a pair of new-old stock (2012ish?) Reno Rockers. Holy hell. What a FUN ski.
Jan 23 2022 9:59AM
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ThaLorax
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ThaLoraxLoving the new skis. But do you guys use a different edge material now? I've got 4-5 days on them, and without knowingly having hit anything bad, and have two weird jagged dents on the edges already.


On the flip side, was skiing some trees and landed quite firmly on a small tree stump, which resulted in absolutely zero damage to the bases
Jan 25 2022 6:04PM
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hot.pocket
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ThaLoraxOn the flip side, was skiing some trees and landed quite firmly on a small tree stump, which resulted in absolutely zero damage to the bases


Same edge material as before, base was upgraded a season or two ago though.
Jan 25 2022 6:20PM
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maaattt
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closeyetfar11Just mounted up a pair of new-old stock (2012ish?) Reno Rockers. Holy hell. What a FUN ski.


Fuuuuck bro I am mad jelly
Jan 25 2022 9:32PM
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whatsamonad
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How are the wildcats (or maybe the deathwish?) as a primarily east coast all mountain freestyle ski? I don’t want a really soft ski, I’m considering a wildcat 101 to complement my park ski when I’m doing a primarily all mountain freestyle day.
Jan 28 2022 3:30PM
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buck_nasty
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OCoffeyStill looking for 182 frankenskis with the palm tree graphic🥵


Bruh someone just posted a pair in B/S/T if you’re still looking
Jan 28 2022 4:07PM
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whatsamonad
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hot.pocketSame edge material as before, base was upgraded a season or two ago though.


I’m curious, what did you do to the bases? Are they still 1.3mm 4001 durasurf or am I misremembering?
Jan 28 2022 4:28PM
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hot.pocket
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whatsamonadI’m curious, what did you do to the bases? Are they still 1.3mm 4001 durasurf or am I misremembering?


Went from 1.5mm 4001 Durasurf to 1.5mm 7500 series carbon infused UHMWPE (ultra high molecular weight polyethylene). Tested it a few seasons ago and were very pleased with the speed, wax retention, durability and repairability of it over what we were previously using, so we made the switch.
Jan 28 2022 4:35PM
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whatsamonad
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hot.pocketWent from 1.5mm 4001 Durasurf to 1.5mm 7500 series carbon infused UHMWPE (ultra high molecular weight polyethylene). Tested it a few seasons ago and were very pleased with the speed, wax retention, durability and repairability of it over what we were previously using, so we made the switch.


Thanks for the info, definitely interesting to know! I believe J Skis is also using UHMWPE, but at 1.8mm.

Are the moment bases sintered as well?

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Jan 28 2022 4:50PM
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hot.pocket
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whatsamonadThanks for the info, definitely interesting to know! I believe J Skis is also using UHMWPE, but at 1.8mm.

Are the moment bases sintered as well?

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Sintered. J does use 1.8mm base, but personally we feel 1.5mm is plenty durable for our applications and doesn't add unnecessary weight to the ski.
Jan 28 2022 5:06PM
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anders_a
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Bases makes such a huge difference.
Jan 28 2022 6:27PM
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hot.pocket
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whatsamonadThanks for the info, definitely interesting to know! I believe J Skis is also using UHMWPE, but at 1.8mm.

Are the moment bases sintered as well?

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anders_aBases makes such a huge difference.


Some additional info about the material upgrades from our CEO (Melee), top post on this page:

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/324915-Moment-Skis-Discussion/page72
Jan 28 2022 7:05PM
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Chunderface
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hot.pocketSome additional info about the material upgrades from our CEO (Melee), top post on this page:

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/324915-Moment-Skis-Discussion/page72


Yeah whatever Moment's old base material was was really bad. That stuff was about as durable as tissue paper. I don't know about your new material but I would be hesitant to take the chance.
Jan 28 2022 8:28PM
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whatsamonad
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skeirmanYeah whatever Moment's old base material was was really bad. That stuff was about as durable as tissue paper. I don't know about your new material but I would be hesitant to take the chance.


The old base was the same base ON3P currently uses lol albeit a little bit less beefy by a few mm
Jan 28 2022 8:49PM
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Corey_O132
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No chance the durasuft 4001 is pretty damn good. That's the toughest base they made before this new 7500 series.

The 4001 might not be the fastest base out there, but it was definitely one of the toughest. You must weight like 200+ and be charging rock lines, because the 4001 durasurf is definitely nothing like tissue paper.

Curious to see this 7500 series carbon base though.
skeirmanYeah whatever Moment's old base material was was really bad. That stuff was about as durable as tissue paper. I don't know about your new material but I would be hesitant to take the chance.


whatsamonadThe old base was the same base ON3P currently uses lol albeit a little bit less beefy by a few mm
Jan 29 2022 4:19PM
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Chunderface
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Corey_O132No chance the durasuft 4001 is pretty damn good. That's the toughest base they made before this new 7500 series.

The 4001 might not be the fastest base out there, but it was definitely one of the toughest. You must weight like 200+ and be charging rock lines, because the 4001 durasurf is definitely nothing like tissue paper.

Curious to see this 7500 series carbon base though.


I guess. This is 2 seasons use. I've stopped putting money into them because they seem to be incurably base high. I've had similar issues with my old pbj's too. Meanwhile my 4frnt and k2's have no coreshots at all. I dunno maybe just bad luck when I ride my moments.













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Jan 29 2022 5:34PM
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Corey_O132
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Damn dog. That's wild. Though, I will say I was on some ON3Ps for 3 seasons, and they're supposed to have pretty tough edges, and I broke those multiple times over the course of their use. I feel like stuff like that, and this with the bases, just comes down to and wear and tear (plus skiing a lot of days in a season). But yeah, the Durasuft 4001 was the toughest stuff you could get for years. Hopefully this 7500 carbon series is better.

I'd buy those off you depending the price of course (if your willing to sell). Just PM me if your interested.

I'd say though, you could base weld those, and give it a base grind if your base high, & check with a true bar to see that your all set again. If you did that you'd be fine for another season if the repair work is done correctly. What's great about those Moments is that if you need to base grind you can do quite a few passes on the machine bc the base material is so thick compared to most other skis.


skeirmanI guess. This is 2 seasons use. I've stopped putting money into them because they seem to be incurably base high. I've had similar issues with my old pbj's too. Meanwhile my 4frnt and k2's have no coreshots at all. I dunno maybe just bad luck when I ride my moments.













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Jan 29 2022 6:15PM
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RAcecARman
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Corey_O132Damn dog. That's wild. Though, I will say I was on some ON3Ps for 3 seasons, and they're supposed to have pretty tough edges, and I broke those multiple times over the course of their use. I feel like stuff like that, and this with the bases, just comes down to and wear and tear (plus skiing a lot of days in a season). But yeah, the Durasuft 4001 was the toughest stuff you could get for years. Hopefully this 7500 carbon series is better.

I'd buy those off you depending the price of course (if your willing to sell). Just PM me if your interested.

I'd say though, you could base weld those, and give it a base grind if your base high, & check with a true bar to see that your all set again. If you did that you'd be fine for another season if the repair work is done correctly. What's great about those Moments is that if you need to base grind you can do quite a few passes on the machine bc the base material is so thick compared to most other skis.


could be wrong but i believe these were the new bases not the 4001. Those are 2019/20s right?
Jan 29 2022 7:15PM
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whatsamonad
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Corey_O132Damn dog. That's wild. Though, I will say I was on some ON3Ps for 3 seasons, and they're supposed to have pretty tough edges, and I broke those multiple times over the course of their use. I feel like stuff like that, and this with the bases, just comes down to and wear and tear (plus skiing a lot of days in a season). But yeah, the Durasuft 4001 was the toughest stuff you could get for years. Hopefully this 7500 carbon series is better.

I'd buy those off you depending the price of course (if your willing to sell). Just PM me if your interested.

I'd say though, you could base weld those, and give it a base grind if your base high, & check with a true bar to see that your all set again. If you did that you'd be fine for another season if the repair work is done correctly. What's great about those Moments is that if you need to base grind you can do quite a few passes on the machine bc the base material is so thick compared to most other skis.

So are these new 7500's also made by CDW who made the Durasurf 4001s?
Jan 29 2022 7:39PM
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Fenk
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Hit an absolute fatty rock and the new base seems to have held up alright, didn’t rip through
Jan 30 2022 10:11AM
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hot.pocket
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skeirmanI guess. This is 2 seasons use. I've stopped putting money into them because they seem to be incurably base high. I've had similar issues with my old pbj's too.

Sorry to see this happen. If you happen to be local to Tahoe / Reno I'll happily repair everything for you.

RAcecARmancould be wrong but i believe these were the new bases not the 4001. Those are 2019/20s right?

Old 4001 base on that model.

whatsamonadSo are these new 7500's also made by CDW who made the Durasurf 4001s?

We now source our base from IsoSport in Europe. It's the same place we source our topsheet and sidewall from as well.
Feb 1 2022 11:01AM
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BrandoComando
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I know you guys have been busy with the move to the new factory. But is there any ETA on the next batch of 162cm Sierras?
Feb 1 2022 11:10AM
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hot.pocket
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BrandoComandoI know you guys have been busy with the move to the new factory. But is there any ETA on the next batch of 162cm Sierras?


All moved in! Sierra 162's should be available for preorder in 2-3 weeks with an estimated ship date of mid / late March.
Feb 1 2022 12:14PM
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FUUUCK
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How did you get a hold of these!?
closeyetfar11Just mounted up a pair of new-old stock (2012ish?) Reno Rockers. Holy hell. What a FUN ski.
Feb 1 2022 12:17PM
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BrandoComando
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hot.pocketAll moved in! Sierra 162's should be available for preorder in 2-3 weeks with an estimated ship date of mid / late March.


Right on! Appreciate it!
Feb 1 2022 12:27PM
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maaattt
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hot.pocketAll moved in! Sierra 162's should be available for preorder in 2-3 weeks with an estimated ship date of mid / late March.


Where is the new spot at?
Feb 1 2022 1:22PM
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hot.pocket
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Poindexter.V2Where is the new spot at?


1085 Bible Way, Reno.
Feb 1 2022 2:16PM
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profa_212
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hot.pocket1085 Bible Way, Reno.


Right next to FBD? Shiiiiiiii
Feb 1 2022 2:40PM
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hot.pocket
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Profahoben_212Right next to FBD? Shiiiiiiii


Soooooo many Dirka Dirkas
Feb 1 2022 2:51PM
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BrandoComando
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Profahoben_212Right next to FBD? Shiiiiiiii


Definitely intentional. They wanted to move closer to the best lunch spot in town
Feb 1 2022 2:53PM
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hot.pocket
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BrandoComandoDefinitely intentional. They wanted to move closer to the best lunch spot in town


Albita's is starting to compete heavily with FBD for the crew's #1 lunch spot.
Feb 1 2022 2:56PM
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closeyetfar11
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FUUUCKHow did you get a hold of these!?


Got them off a rando who wasn't a fan of the shape a few years ago, and have just been sitting on them since then. I figured it was time!
Feb 3 2022 9:59AM
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Ih8pumpkin
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hot.pocketAll moved in! Sierra 162's should be available for preorder in 2-3 weeks with an estimated ship date of mid / late March.


Any word on when the next run of Commander 108s may be?
Feb 4 2022 7:39PM
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hot.pocket
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Ih8pumpkinAny word on when the next run of Commander 108s may be?


Commander 108 is done for the season, we're still producing a small run of both the shorter lengths of the 98 offering.

More 108's will be available August 2022 with the new graphic, no construction changes planned.
Feb 4 2022 7:42PM
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iRide1080s
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hot.pocket1085 Bible Way, Reno.

Is there a factory store at the new location?
Feb 4 2022 10:25PM
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olic
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Finally got to ride my Wildcat 101's after a year in storage since buying them (thanks Covid, you dick!) What an awesome ski, had a total blast riding shallow powder and soft groomers on them, held an edge really well on piste and bounced through chopped up lines easily, great swing weight as well, perfect mix of jibbiness and backbone, really stoked on the ski.

@hot.pocket I know it's unlikely but if you ever decided to make a 90mm version for low snow days spent mostly on groomers I would be all over that ski like a rash!
Feb 7 2022 6:13AM
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Rodigan
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olicFinally got to ride my Wildcat 101's after a year in storage since buying them (thanks Covid, you dick!) What an awesome ski, had a total blast riding shallow powder and soft groomers on them, held an edge really well on piste and bounced through chopped up lines easily, great swing weight as well, perfect mix of jibbiness and backbone, really stoked on the ski.

@hot.pocket I know it's unlikely but if you ever decided to make a 90mm version for low snow days spent mostly on groomers I would be all over that ski like a rash!


if the 101 is anything like the last PBJ which i think it is then it absolutely destroys groomers so spend that money on a 116.
Feb 7 2022 2:20PM
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olic
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Rodiganif the 101 is anything like the last PBJ which i think it is then it absolutely destroys groomers so spend that money on a 116.


They're solid on groomers for sure, I just prefer something a little narrower and faster edge to edge for proper piste days with no new snow (but don't want to get a full on frontside ski), got some ON3P Kartel 116's for deep days so that angle is covered.
Feb 8 2022 5:48AM
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hot.pocket
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iRide1080sIs there a factory store at the new location?

Yes.

olic@hot.pocket I know it's unlikely but if you ever decided to make a 90mm version for low snow days spent mostly on groomers I would be all over that ski like a rash!

Not too likely, but you never know!
Feb 8 2022 10:56AM
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Non_State_Actor
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olicFinally got to ride my Wildcat 101's after a year in storage since buying them (thanks Covid, you dick!)

@hot.pocket I know it's unlikely but if you ever decided to make a 90mm version for low snow days spent mostly on groomers I would be all over that ski like a rash!


Just try to grade a pair of ski blades for the low tide days and thank me later. No need for a narrower Wildcat.
Feb 8 2022 12:41PM
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anders_a
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I've been waiting on moment blades to come back in stock again.. but noooot easy to score!
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iRide1080s
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hot.pocketYes.


Not too likely, but you never know!

Glad to hear. Thanks!
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Rodigan
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Does anyone own this seasons commander 108s ? If so can you tell me about them please, how they ski , where you would use them etc

thanks 🙏
Feb 13 2022 4:47PM
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highpeak
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RodiganDoes anyone own this seasons commander 108s ? If so can you tell me about them please, how they ski , where you would use them etc

thanks 🙏


the blister buyers guide should have some good info
Feb 14 2022 12:56PM
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vermontana
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RodiganDoes anyone own this seasons commander 108s ? If so can you tell me about them please, how they ski , where you would use them etc

thanks 🙏


Yeah I got a pair this year - they're pretty incredible high-performance sticks, definitely take a bit out of ya by the end of the day but make you feel invincible in most conditions. I live in Vermont and got them for western travel and pow days but they've actually become my daily driver when I'm not skiing park. Surprisingly manageable in moguls and tight trees too. PM me if ya got questions
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VONNN
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Can anyone share their experience on the new Commander 98? Looks pretty awesome.

I'm looking for a low-tide ski where my priority is performance in ungroomed, variable, off-trail snow.
I'm not overly concerned with groomer performance.

Other skis in this general width that I've owned and loved:

2017 Bonafide in 187 - prob the best 100-mm ski I've ever owned
2021 Mantra 102 in 191 - great ski, but too heavy, not enough rocker, and way too much swing-weight to be fun in tight, bumped out places.

Skiing low-tide Alta/Snowbird the last month has got me looking for that ski that makes skiing bumps and variable more fun. Ideally keeping as much of the dampness and stability of Bonafide and M102 that I've loved, but with a primary goal of increasing pivotability and maneuverability in crappy conditions.
Feb 22 2022 6:29PM
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hot.pocket
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VONNNCan anyone share their experience on the new Commander 98? Looks pretty awesome.

I'm looking for a low-tide ski where my priority is performance in ungroomed, variable, off-trail snow.
I'm not overly concerned with groomer performance.

Other skis in this general width that I've owned and loved:

2017 Bonafide in 187 - prob the best 100-mm ski I've ever owned
2021 Mantra 102 in 191 - great ski, but too heavy, not enough rocker, and way too much swing-weight to be fun in tight, bumped out places.

Skiing low-tide Alta/Snowbird the last month has got me looking for that ski that makes skiing bumps and variable more fun. Ideally keeping as much of the dampness and stability of Bonafide and M102 that I've loved, but with a primary goal of increasing pivotability and maneuverability in crappy conditions.


Independent review for you: https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/341006-Review-Moment-Commander-98-2020-2021
Feb 22 2022 6:47PM
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VONNN
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I was hoping to find a bit more independent of a review ;)
Feb 22 2022 9:35PM
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profa_212
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VONNNI was hoping to find a bit more independent of a review ;)


It's blister they are completely independent and largely regarded as the best/least biased review source
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