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mulchbrain
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Would love to hear from anyone from the US why there is such a huge resistance to changing gun laws. I understand its in the constitution but cant the constitution be amended ? Protection doesn't really make sense in my head either because if no one had guns then do you need a gun to protect yourself?

I'm just trying to understand stances here because im not from the US and therefore not the deepest knowledge on this. To me its super interesting
Feb 23 2018 10:26PM
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Barfblitz
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skiermanIts easier in the U.S. to purchase an assault rifle than to obtain a driver's license. There's 10x more oversight and regulations on owning a car than an assault rifle and yet plenty of people still own/drive cars.

The reason why nothing gets done is because our country is full of fucking idiots who think common sense gun regulations = complete ban on all firearms. You can blame the fear mongering Republican party sucking at the NRA's tit for that bullshit.

May I have the source for these claims? I'm interested and would like to read them. Many Republicans are for gun control. I personally wouldn't mind seeing mental health become a big deciding factor for those who would like to purchase a gun. Chronic mental check ups should also be a thing. I also support the proposed regulation of mag capacity... the more times the shooter has to reload = more chances to intervene. Those regulations are in no way infringing the second ammendment. If you would like gun control to happen, I suggest working together with your fellow republicans and democrats instead of jabbing at their views and making fun of them.
Feb 26 2018 12:25PM
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eheath
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YoungNickolasMay I have the source for these claims? I'm interested and would like to read them. Many Republicans are for gun control. I personally wouldn't mind seeing mental health become a big deciding factor for those who would like to purchase a gun. Chronic mental check ups should also be a thing. I also support the proposed regulation of mag capacity... the more times the shooter has to reload = more chances to intervene. Those regulations are in no way infringing the second ammendment. If you would like gun control to happen, I suggest working together with your fellow republicans and democrats instead of jabbing at their views and making fun of them.


The only republicans that matter are completely controlled by the NRA, I'd be surprised if we pass any gun regulations while Trump is president.
Feb 26 2018 12:27PM
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.frenchy
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skiermanLemme correct that for people...

"Proud fucking idiot ready to waste money in the name of gun manufacturers at the expense of us gun owners! I buy big loud bang bang toys! NRA loves me cause I support guns! dey love me which is why dey makin us gun owners seem like complete fuck asses!"


bitches love my 2,750$ AR-15 set-up tho, bitch!
Feb 26 2018 12:59PM
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GayWolf420
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why are we relying on the government to make change? dead kids arent enough to influence the wallets of lawmakers in the US.
Feb 26 2018 9:20PM
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IHUFFPAINT
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It's hard to understand the whole thing as people get fired up about the whole thing regardless of what side you are on. A lot of people are tired of guns because of how much they seem to be in the news. Other people are mad because people that shouldn't have guns get em and fuck it up for everyone who can actually handle a gun and use it properly and keep it locked up when its not being used. I own a few guns and we shot em up here in the mountains of Colorado with nobody around and we usually just shot cans or other stuff. I know plenty of people that hate guns and that's fine by me im not gonna get all pissed about that. The main reason in my opinion that people like the carry guns is that they feel safer with one of them on them at all times. I personally dont carry a gun or open carry so I cant help you there.
Feb 26 2018 11:37PM
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iH8pow
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I like guns own a few including those controversial ones so I’ve been pro 2nd ammend but i’m for stricter control. Catch 22 wtf am i to do. My guns are locked safely away and no kids in my house, but what am i to do with gun owner guilt? Sell them to potentially end up with a nut? Destroy them and torch thousands of dollars? US is a heartless war economy since early-mid 20th century doesnt matter who’s being killed by the guns the country still profits which is all that matters at the end of the day. Need a gun coin. Ill let you destroy most of my guns for 10 litecoins.

But the other solution is overly prescribed ADD and psych meds. No country has the “diagnosis” and treatment rates as the U.S. does. And i like to point out that these school shootings show the other side of the socioeconomic spectrum. Kids in poverty and in the ghetto are more likely to dabble in theft and other crime because they are the product of the environment. School shooters? Prefominantly white boys. White boys with do-gooder parents who wonder why Jimmy falls short of their grade expectations in schools, or why he acts a little different. Solution is always meds, fucks the kid up, too easy access to guns/money to buy guns..

**This post was edited on Feb 27th 2018 at 1:26:10am
Feb 27 2018 1:19AM
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skierman
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.frenchybitches love my 2,750$ AR-15 set-up tho, bitch!


When your dick is the size of a firing pin, you have to impress them somehow, I guess.
Feb 28 2018 11:05AM
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TheDoughAbides
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.frenchybitches love my 2,750$ AR-15 set-up tho, bitch!


cmon frenchy! dollar sign goes before the amount!
Feb 28 2018 11:26AM
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r00kie
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r00kieNever would have thought NS would be where I would see the most civilized discussion on guns.


Forget that, it went to shit

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Feb 28 2018 1:07PM
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Parches
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TheDoughAbidescmon frenchy! dollar sign goes before the amount!


Not sure if trolling or not....
Feb 28 2018 2:39PM
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XtRemE11
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The reason im so resistant to changes in gun control is because the people upset about it, the ones who are proposing these gun control regulations, are completely emotionally motivated and are not coming at it from a logical, educated view.
YES i think we need to actually be effective in enforcing the regulations we already have, and YES im open to new gun control ideas to keep guns out of the hands of the wrong people.

I know it sounds bad, but AR-15's accounted for something like 150-300 deaths per year over the last couple year (ill try to find where i saw that statistic) a decent chunk of those deaths were mass shootings. but in the grand scheme, that is absolutely nothing. mass shootings are shocking, and tragic, and 1 mass shooting is too many. but if we are to go purely by statistics, its almost a non issue. AR's are an extremely popular gun, for how widespread they are, that statistic makes AR's look pretty good actually.

Theres this huge outrage, people calling out rednecks in the middle of bum fuck nowhere, that have absolutely nothing to do with these shootings for "caring more about their guns than kids lives" and if you arent for banning AR's, you want kids to die. People have a reason for not wanting to give up their rights to make people feel better.

If they really cared about gun related deaths they'd be focusing on inner city crime, which is largely gang related, and accounts for around 80% of gun related homicide, but thats mostly black people so they wont touch it. its not even acknowledged. even though its by far the largest problem.
if you're going to ban any gun, why not pistol's? they account for MUCH more death than rifles in general, especially AR's.
but the MSM doesnt tell you to be pissed about that so we focus on AR's and demonize anyone who can think critically and disagrees. and now we're even talking about banning bump stocks even though they account for literally zero deaths. Again, focus on the scary emotional thing, ignore real issues.

you dont need an AR to commit a mass shooting, in a place like a school, pistols could be just as effective, which they have been used for in plenty of shootings and ended up in just as many or more deaths, you could be effective with any kind of gun other than a muzzle loader or maybe bolt action.

so, say we ban "assault rifles" school shootings will still happen, but the shooter will use a pistol instead of a rifle, but at least the gun used doesnt look scary and isnt falsely labeled "assault rifle" so people will feel better, but kids are still being shot. there is no dent in our gun homicide rate, now what?

I just dont feel like the people wanting to ban AR's are really thinking this through.

**This post was edited on Feb 28th 2018 at 11:06:10pm
Feb 28 2018 11:03PM
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TheDoughAbides
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MAGAchuds, how do you feel about your boy Don T trying to take your guns away without due process?
Mar 2 2018 4:34PM
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Lonely
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What would you suggest we do to make schools safer?
Mar 5 2018 11:18AM
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Turd.Ferguson
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LonelyWhat would you suggest we do to make schools safer?


lets make every teacher have a gun because a school with 100 armed staff members is totally feasible and wouldn't make me scared for my life.
Mar 5 2018 11:27AM
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Wait you actually think none of those points have no relevance to making schools safer?

Of course you don’t. Whenever mass shootings happen all you retardlicans just spout the same dumb bullshit. “AR doesn’t stand for assault rifle lol dumb libtard”.
Mar 5 2018 1:39PM
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Rum_Ham
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Dude background checks absolutely need to be stronger. I'm pro gun but I support stronger background checks 100%
Mar 5 2018 3:10PM
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iced
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TheDoughAbidescmon frenchy! dollar sign goes before the amount!


fuck you he has freedom remember
Mar 5 2018 3:18PM
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Barfblitz
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Rum_HamDude background checks absolutely need to be stronger. I'm pro gun but I support stronger background checks 100%


I agree, but what do you mean by "stronger"?
Mar 5 2018 3:21PM
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Rum_Ham
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YoungNickolasI agree, but what do you mean by "stronger"?


Better record keeping, integration of psych evaluations in background checks, firearm safety training for first time purchasers etc
Mar 5 2018 3:39PM
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Lonely
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Hey man, no need to get your holster in a bunch. It was just a honest question.

It sucks to think about but my thoughts are the same. Metal detectors and such might need to become a thing. They already are at nearly every major landmark and you're a lot more likely to get killed in a school shooting than a terrorist attack.
Mar 5 2018 9:03PM
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skierman
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The Assault Weapon ban was lifted/expired in 2004.

Those points were about the NRA being assholes and how pathetic gun control is in this country.

You are a massive fucking idiot. Why is it the people who are against gun control are also the most uninformed about gun control?
Mar 5 2018 9:52PM
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Rum_Ham
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skiermanThe Assault Weapon ban was lifted/expired in 2004.

Those points were about the NRA being assholes and how pathetic gun control is in this country.

You are a massive fucking idiot. Why is it the people who are against gun control are also the most uninformed about gun control?


None of the guns banned were assault rifles technically. Just semiautomatic rifles with pistol grips and such. That's why mini 14s were so popular during the ban. They function in a very similar manner being a semi automatic magazine fed rifle. The mini 14 just looks like a normal hunting rifle.
Mar 5 2018 11:08PM
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skierman
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Where did I post the AR-15 was ever fully banned? All I did was show that you're an idiot because you had no idea when the assault weapons ban was enacted and that you had no fucking idea that expired 14 years ago.

Just a piece of knowledge, even with the assault weapon ban it only had to do with accessories (2 to be exact, 1 being A FUCKING GRENADE LAUNCHER) for it to be banned. Its another pathetic and glaring example at our country's pathetic attempts at common sense gun control.
Mar 6 2018 12:54AM
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skierman
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"The AR-15 used to be illegal. President Bill Clinton’s assault weapons ban, which was in effect from 1994 to 2004, banned the AR-15 and other guns that were too similar to military-style weapons. However, this law did not prohibit Americans from owning semi-automatic weapons;1 it capped how many military features an individual gun could have. During the ban, a semi-automatic rifle like the AR-15 could legally have any one of the following features, as long as it didn’t have two or more of them: a folding stock (making the gun slightly easier to conceal), a pistol grip (making the weapon easier to hold and use), a bayonet mount, a flash suppressor (making it harder to see where shots are coming from), or a grenade launcher."
Mar 6 2018 12:57AM
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Rum_Ham
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skierman"The AR-15 used to be illegal. President Bill Clinton’s assault weapons ban, which was in effect from 1994 to 2004, banned the AR-15 and other guns that were too similar to military-style weapons. However, this law did not prohibit Americans from owning semi-automatic weapons;1 it capped how many military features an individual gun could have. During the ban, a semi-automatic rifle like the AR-15 could legally have any one of the following features, as long as it didn’t have two or more of them: a folding stock (making the gun slightly easier to conceal), a pistol grip (making the weapon easier to hold and use), a bayonet mount, a flash suppressor (making it harder to see where shots are coming from), or a grenade launcher."


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Mar 6 2018 1:05AM
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TheDoughAbides
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Turd.Fergusonlets make every teacher have a gun because a school with 100 armed staff members is totally feasible and wouldn't make me scared for my life.


hey at least theyll be able to really fight for those raises finally eh?
Mar 6 2018 1:17AM
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TheDoughAbides
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icedfuck you he has freedom remember




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sounds like you subconsciously long for the comfort and security of police state, my friend!
Mar 6 2018 1:26AM
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Barfblitz
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I said the exact same stuff to skierman before and he quit replying. When faced with the facts he just leaves.
Mar 6 2018 2:01PM
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skierman
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"Lol no its not. Assault rifles have been banned since the 80's."

You are next level idiotic.
Mar 6 2018 2:26PM
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TheDoughAbides
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Public soft targets? what about grocery stores!?! and parks!? hell, what about bars and restaurants!? why dont we protect those with with militarized policemen and walls and metal detectors too!

Sure there's a difference between walls meant to keep people in and those meant to keep people out: the people sitting on top of them!

as soon as they decide that they're having a bad enough day, they get to take everyone in the building hostage and protect themselves thanks to your tax dollars!



omg like just LOL
Mar 6 2018 5:11PM
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mulchbrain
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Got another question here. Its a little off topic but still a bit of a hard one for me to understand.

So. Most of the argument against gun regulation is based around the constitution and how strong and seemingly sacred it is to the US. I understand that , its something most people from the US seem to agree on and support rigidly. Especially the second amendment . The thing i dont understand is if its so important why are not all the amendments not strictly held up in the same way?

For example :
Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

The excessive bail part. Its so excessive business are making money from it . Obviously not all states do this but it seems to me that's enough to undermine the amendment .

Keep in mind im not living in the US so this is all based of research and unfortunately the media . So please inform me
Mar 6 2018 5:47PM
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skierman
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mulchbrainGot another question here. Its a little off topic but still a bit of a hard one for me to understand.

So. Most of the argument against gun regulation is based around the constitution and how strong and seemingly sacred it is to the US. I understand that , its something most people from the US seem to agree on and support rigidly. Especially the second amendment . The thing i dont understand is if its so important why are not all the amendments not strictly held up in the same way?

For example :
Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

The excessive bail part. Its so excessive business are making money from it . Obviously not all states do this but it seems to me that's enough to undermine the amendment .

Keep in mind im not living in the US so this is all based of research and unfortunately the media . So please inform me


Its because they don't use fucking logic. They're snowflake sheep that believe any baseless, paranoid assumption and they can only use fallacies devoid of facts to defend their position. When you call them out on it and they cannot defend it, they attempt to derail the conversation completely using semantics that have nothing to do with the discussion. You can see classic examples of this throughout the thread.

All the responsible gun owners I know including myself support more gun control because we're not idiots and we know it will never affect us or our rights to own a firearm as granted to us by the Constitution.
Mar 6 2018 7:53PM
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TheDoughAbides
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^lol hes bringin the caps out!

I don't want your guns taken away brah. I don't think it will fix the problems in our country that are at the root of all this sickness. Bringing in more guns definitely won't fix it either, though. Building schools like prisons, regardless of intent, sets a shitty precedent to how the supposed greatest country in the world deals with its issues. Privately owned establishments still adhere to local, state, and federal regulations.

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It effectively is under the 14th amendment. But you're right, it's not explicitly stated. Might partly explain why our public education system is so pathetic compared to other core counties.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure the freedom they were referencing was the freedom to own weapons without respect for their capabilities and largely regardless of one's mental health.
Mar 7 2018 1:50AM
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H_up
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OP, I’m impressed. When I clicked on a thread about a charged political topic on Newschoolers, I was wary but it is actually a really good discussion
Mar 7 2018 2:26AM
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skierman
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That hotdog clown who doesn't know the difference between "automatic" and "assault" should be the mascot of the NRA and gun nuts. He's a classic case of the jackasses who only derail conversations with nonsense because he doesn't have a single good reason to defend his position. This is the gun control debate in a nutshell.
Mar 7 2018 7:15AM
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Barfblitz
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skiermanThat hotdog clown who doesn't know the difference between "automatic" and "assault" should be the mascot of the NRA and gun nuts. He's a classic case of the jackasses who only derail conversations with nonsense because he doesn't have a single good reason to defend his position. This is the gun control debate in a nutshell.


I had very nice points in previous threads. You quit replying. Also, when asked to back up your claims you also failed to reply.
Mar 7 2018 8:14AM
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Lonely
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Yes. You make that quite evident
Mar 7 2018 10:21AM
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Lonely
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Issa joke
Mar 9 2018 1:25AM
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Casey
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mulchbrainGot another question here. Its a little off topic but still a bit of a hard one for me to understand.

So. Most of the argument against gun regulation is based around the constitution and how strong and seemingly sacred it is to the US. I understand that , its something most people from the US seem to agree on and support rigidly. Especially the second amendment . The thing i dont understand is if its so important why are not all the amendments not strictly held up in the same way?

For example :
Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

The excessive bail part. Its so excessive business are making money from it . Obviously not all states do this but it seems to me that's enough to undermine the amendment .

Keep in mind im not living in the US so this is all based of research and unfortunately the media . So please inform me


Well after 9/11 we passed an emergency measure commonly known as 'the Patriot Act' that nullified various protections afforded in the bill of rights. Right to due process, right against unreasonable searches, right against cruel and usual punishment the duty of congress to declare war, etc. all went out the window.

To your specific question about bail, it's a little bit unfair to hold up the Constitution as written and say, 'well what about this' - there has been 200 years of interpretation by the supreme court that goes into how things work. It doesn't mean it's right, but it's likely been litigated.
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