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Jcamotts
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So, back in September I was looking around for a new pair of skis for this season. After hours of searching, someone recommended revision skis. They look sick so I got them for a sick deal during the pre-sale. There was only one slight issue, the skis ship date was "mid November" although that was kinda annoying I knew I wouldn't be skiing at all between now and that time. Fast foward almost 3 months and I still havent heard from them, so I sent them an email regarding the shipping. They said that they would contact me in the next week for an Update. They sent another email a few days later saying they ran into some issues during production. "Due to some quality inconsistencies, we made the decision to rebuild a good portion of our skis". At that time I was like "ok, well I would rather wait 2-3 more weeks for solid skis then get low-quality skis now". They also said they would send another email in about a week for a new ETA. I got the email this morning and they said the new shipping date would be THE FIRST WEEK OF JANUARY. Thats almost have way into the ski season. I'm disappointed because the skis looked so fun but theres no way im waiting that long.


But thats not all, they also gave me (and all other customers) a $100 coupon to there website. Sure I appreciate them going out of there way to do that because they definitely feel bad abut this whole situation, but $100 is not gonna keep me waiting around for another month and a half. So, what do you guys think. Are any of you guys in the same Boat as Me?
Could this issue possibly be the end of revision?
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leprechaunsissy
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tyrolWell they are either lying or totally incompetent and out of touch considering anyone mildly involved in the industry has been watching this unfold for the better part of a year now. Not sure which is worse.

But seriously they have to be lying.


This is completely ridiculous. To think that the people running a ski sale website are aware or Revision Skis or this website is absurd.

Most people have no idea what either of those things are.
Jul 14 2017 12:07AM
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N41v131355
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tyrolI suspect this greasy move by skis.com may backfire. What you think is "free money" is also lost goodwill and reputation. Just because you are admittedly greasy doesn't make any difference here.

But mostly I'm not angry about the greasy move. I'm angry about the press release that is clearly a lie.


I don't agree with you . Their actions look like they really made a fucile research and only after somebody told them about the situtation they realised it is a complete crap. If they found this theme on NS, knew about the situation and still decided to do dirty business - why would they delete all revision skis from their website and make a statement just few days after? I haven't seen any shit hitting the fan on any of famous or reputable ski websites, so It obviously wasn't the "ski community pressure". If they were doing greasy moves they would definitely not give a fuck about the whole situation and just continued selling them. IMO those who say it's just business are wrong, cause this was basically selling stolen shit. This would hardly hit the reputation of any shop and I'm happy skis.com realised this that fast.
If you are a carshop, and you are buying bunch of cars from a "wholesaler" and it appears that all of them are stolen it doesn't mean purchase isn't legit, but who is in his right mind would do that knowing what scandal it will be?
Jul 14 2017 11:57AM
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MikeWeinerONE
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tyrolWell they are either lying or totally incompetent and out of touch considering anyone mildly involved in the industry has been watching this unfold for the better part of a year now. Not sure which is worse.

But seriously they have to be lying.


I've been involved in the ski industry for 36 years as a skier. I've never heard of them before this. But why should a third party buyer, who is buying skis be responsible for the disservice relizion (pun intended) did to their customers? They are in business to make money, As that what business's do. They bought palates of skis and are selling them. Wow. Feel bad for those who bought them pre-order but that's on religion. Not a company looking to make a profit. They don't have orders to fulfill, have anything as far as orders even, and it's not their responsibility to do so. It is simple business and happens daily.
Jul 14 2017 11:05PM
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Titus69
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Wait, so did Revisions inventory including many peoples preordered skis get sold to skis.com? That'd be fucked if they bought all the skis before they were shipped to many of you.
Haven't been paying much attention to this lately.
Jul 15 2017 12:17PM
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Randy_Quench
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N41v131355why would they delete all revision skis from their website and make a statement just few days after?


Probably because several butthurt NSers decided the best way to "get even" with Revision was to leave terrible and obscene reviews on all the revision skis hosted for sale on skis.com without any facts about how exactly skis.com ended up with the skis.
Jul 18 2017 3:54PM
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N41v131355
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Randy_QuenchProbably because several butthurt NSers decided the best way to "get even" with Revision was to leave terrible and obscene reviews on all the revision skis hosted for sale on skis.com without any facts about how exactly skis.com ended up with the skis.


Yeah, and I can't blame NSers. You can see situations like this everywhere. If you are a shop and you are buying a product with questionable reputation - it's your fault that you were not aware of the situation and you haven't researched deep enough. I'm not saying that it's proper to blame skis.com - but what dafuq should you expect from people who got robbed? Imagine you crowdfunded PoGro 6 and product wasn't released nor you got your money back, and this happened to almost everyone who participated. Then it suddenly appears on amazon. What reviews will you see there? Please
Jul 18 2017 4:58PM
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Static
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Randy_Quenchwithout any facts about how exactly skis.com ended up with the skis.


It wouldn't take much for skis.com to explain the situation. But honestly what explanation can there be other than they got a sweet deal on stolen skis. They thought they could be slick about it and make a quick buck, some ill gotten gains, but that shit backfired. Now they are stuck holding these unsellable skis. Fuck 'em.

Assuming they are stuck with the skis they could turn this around into a positive PR move, and raffle them off to pre orders. But that's not something a company attempting to sell stolen skis would do.



Maybe they will give you a coupon code for free shipping if you keep defending them.
Jul 19 2017 2:11AM
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Static
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StaticIt wouldn't take much for skis.com to explain the situation.


I guess they did with the press release saying they were ignorant to all of this, but that sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me.

The question remains; What will happen to the skis?
Jul 19 2017 2:26AM
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kingsskier
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StaticIt wouldn't take much for skis.com to explain the situation. But honestly what explanation can there be other than they got a sweet deal on stolen skis. They thought they could be slick about it and make a quick buck, some ill gotten gains, but that shit backfired. Now they are stuck holding these unsellable skis. Fuck 'em.

Assuming they are stuck with the skis they could turn this around into a positive PR move, and raffle them off to pre orders. But that's not something a company attempting to sell stolen skis would do.



Maybe they will give you a coupon code for free shipping if you keep defending them.


Skis.com got these legitimately. They did not steal anything from anyone. REVISION and Bill Wanrooy did! Bill lost ownership of the skis or sold them to the warehouse without fulfilling HIS orders. Skis.com bought them from the third party. It is not skis.com responsibility to fulfill revisions orders. Be mad at revision and bill wanrooy and not skis.com.
Jul 19 2017 8:48AM
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Static
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kingsskierSkis.com got these legitimately. They did not steal anything from anyone.


Well they did purchase a shipment of skis that were already bought, paid for and intended to be delivered to other people.

But if the skis are unsellable will skis.com use the purchase as an expense to lower their tax liability? What will then be done with the skis? Do they go into a dumpster? Do skis.com employees get them?
Jul 19 2017 9:24AM
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kingsskier
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StaticWell they did purchase a shipment of skis that were already bought, paid for and intended to be delivered to other people.

But if the skis are unsellable will skis.com use the purchase as an expense to lower their tax liability? What will then be done with the skis? Do they go into a dumpster? Do skis.com employees get them?


They bought skis from a third party. Again, Revision is at fault 100%. They did not buy sold skis. They bought skis from a third party. Revision never produced skis for their pre-orders. There is a big difference.

The skis are back up on skis.com. They will likely sell. They are cheap skis with a decent design.
Jul 19 2017 9:57AM
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Randy_Quench
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kingsskierSkis.com got these legitimately. They did not steal anything from anyone. REVISION and Bill Wanrooy did! Bill lost ownership of the skis or sold them to the warehouse without fulfilling HIS orders. Skis.com bought them from the third party. It is not skis.com responsibility to fulfill revisions orders. Be mad at revision and bill wanrooy and not skis.com.


Thank you. Unfortunately some people just don't know when to remove the tinfoil hats from their heads.

StaticWell they did purchase a shipment of skis that were already bought, paid for and intended to be delivered to other people.


You aren't wrong, but there is a lot of information you and I don't know when it comes to how those skis were acquired. You are assuming skis.com is as slimey as Bill and took what was yours like the Grinch stole Christmas. IMO it is highly unlikely they knew what they were getting themselves into. By attacking them for carrying out their normal business practice you are just tainting more of the ski industry without any proof they did anything to intentionally wrong Revision's original customers.

StaticMaybe they will give you a coupon code for free shipping if you keep defending them.


Lol you're right, in fact- I was the quality control employee at skis.com who didn't look into the purchase hard enough and now I'm just trying to save my ass from getting canned.
Jul 19 2017 10:00AM
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Static
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kingsskierThey did not buy sold skis. They bought skis from a third party. Revision never produced skis for their pre-orders. There is a big difference.


I think this is very disingenuous.

Who were those skis intended for? Who paid for them?
Jul 19 2017 10:08AM
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kingsskier
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StaticI think this is very disingenuous.

Who were those skis intended for? Who paid for them?


These WERE NOT owned by revision yet OR he lost ownership of them. It was on REVISION to get their product to THEIR customer. It is not on skis.com to fulfill revisions orders! What do you want to happen to these skis? Trash them? The third party that had them at first as well as skis.com, did NOT have ANY orders from customers. Bill Wanrooy had orders. He needed to produce the skis and didnt. Why would anyone else lose money to make up for REVISIONS mistake? You are being very ignorant to blame anyone but Revision and Bill Wanrooy. It is no one elses fault (unless there are some facts of illegal practices that havent surfaced) but Bill Wanrooy.

**This post was edited on Jul 19th 2017 at 10:20:08am
Jul 19 2017 10:18AM
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Randy_Quench
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kingsskierThese WERE NOT owned by revision yet OR he lost ownership of them. It was on REVISION to get their product to THEIR customer. It is not on skis.com to fulfill revisions orders! What do you want to happen to these skis? Trash them? The third party that had them at first as well as skis.com, did NOT have ANY orders from customers. Bill Wanrooy had orders. He needed to produce the skis and didnt. Why would anyone else lose money to make up for REVISIONS mistake? You are being very ignorant to blame anyone but Revision and Bill Wanrooy. It is no one elses fault (unless there are some facts of illegal practices that havent surfaced) but Bill Wanrooy.

**This post was edited on Jul 19th 2017 at 10:20:08am


But I bought those skis from Revision before skis.com did! Those were my skis! Skis.com stole them from me! Skis.com should just ship all of the skis to the rightful owners!


EDIT: //sarcasm

**This post was edited on Jul 19th 2017 at 10:44:10am
Jul 19 2017 10:25AM
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kingsskier
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Randy_QuenchBut I bought those skis from Revision before skis.com did! Those were my skis! Skis.com stole them from me! Skis.com should just ship all of the skis to the rightful owners!


Bill Wanrooy took your money and ran. Bill Wanrooy should have produced the skis and shipped them to you. Bill Wanrooy is the thief.
Like I said, Revision was not in ownership of those, so you did not buy THOSE skis. You bought a promise from Revision. They did not fulfill that promise. Those skis do not have your name on them. They are just another batch of Revision skis. Maybe the ones he gave to them team riders are yours? Do they owe you the skis? Maybe the ones he shipped out to customers at full price are your skis? Should they give you their skis? NO. BILL OWES YOU MONEY OR SKIS! No one else does. Its a shitty situation and I want every preorder to get refunded, but the world is tough and people are shady. Bill screwed you and you are misdirecting your anger.
Jul 19 2017 10:30AM
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Randy_Quench
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kingsskierBill Wanrooy took your money and ran. Bill Wanrooy should have produced the skis and shipped them to you. Bill Wanrooy is the thief.
Like I said, Revision was not in ownership of those, so you did not buy THOSE skis. You bought a promise from Revision. They did not fulfill that promise. Those skis do not have your name on them. They are just another batch of Revision skis. Maybe the ones he gave to them team riders are yours? Do they owe you the skis? Maybe the ones he shipped out to customers at full price are your skis? Should they give you their skis? NO. BILL OWES YOU MONEY OR SKIS! No one else does. Its a shitty situation and I want every preorder to get refunded, but the world is tough and people are shady. Bill screwed you and you are misdirecting your anger.


I was mocking some of the comments in here lol. I 100% agree with everything you've said, look at my previous comments defending skis.com.
Jul 19 2017 10:38AM
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Bassin
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This happens with more than just skis, and it's not up to some other company to fulfill orders that a defunct company never did. Besides NS there wasn't a whole lot of substance to this story, a lot of people had no idea this was happening, hell there wasn't a thread in most other forums until just 2-3 weeks ago. Even if skis.com hadn't bought them, there was no way those skis were going out to the people who pre-ordered them. It's crazy to think another company would be able to figure out who actually bought skis from Revision, then pay to ship out hundreds-thousands of skis on their own dime? Sure that would be cool, can you imagine the logistics of making that all happen though?

Hopefully we will get some sort of "closure" be that hearing from Bill/Revision or, preferably, legal action against him and/or Revision. It's a shitty situation.
Jul 19 2017 10:39AM
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kingsskier
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Randy_QuenchI was mocking some of the comments in here lol. I 100% agree with everything you've said, look at my previous comments defending skis.com.


Lol I was wondering why you completely 180ed. Got it now.
Jul 19 2017 11:01AM
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JAHSHUA
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Simplest explanation for this whole debacle is that sometime between summer pre-orders and last March, they ran out of money, no longer able to make good on their outstanding obligations: your pre-orders, team contracts, bills to the factories, warranties, etc. That's why all the inventory was liquidated to skis.com. Nothing confusing about that.

What is confusing is why Revision went silent. Surprised this hasn't turned into a lawsuit yet - don't know their numbers, but I'd guess 150K+ of your guy's hard earned money was taken through pre-orders, used as capital for production, and due to a poor business model, they lost all cash on hand before they could even get you your skis by the time they arrived in March.

Just some speculations, nothing stated is definite. This would be a great case study for business school.....
Jul 19 2017 1:22PM
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TheSmokinL
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JAHSHUAdon't know their numbers, but I'd guess 150K+ of your guy's hard earned money was taken through pre-orders

Like they pyramid-ed a pyramid scheme
Jul 19 2017 2:38PM
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JAHSHUA
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TheSmokinLLike they pyramid-ed a pyramid scheme


This wasn't any sort of scheme, they are just terrible business people who have no idea how to manage their cash
Jul 19 2017 4:53PM
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JAHSHUA
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JAHSHUAThis wasn't any sort of scheme, they are just terrible business people who have no idea how to manage their cash


or their customers
Jul 19 2017 4:57PM
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snowpocalypse
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Well they are still actively searching out funding

https://www.fundable.com/revision-skis

Anyone want to bet if Bill will respond if you offer money?
Jul 20 2017 3:21PM
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kingsskier
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snowpocalypseWell they are still actively searching out funding

https://www.fundable.com/revision-skis

Anyone want to bet if Bill will respond if you offer money?


I actually already requested it. No response.
Jul 20 2017 3:33PM
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Murdock
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Too bad that gofundme is from 2015..if it was recently updated my jaw would hit the floor.
Jul 20 2017 4:10PM
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Park_Ranger
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"Bill Wanrooy (Founder)
Bill is an avid skier as well as a ski journalist. He also has comprehensive experience in ski design and manufacturing. His professional background also includes pharmaceutical sales and marketing, and electronic medical records software and technology.

He has a Master’s Degree from Indiana University’s Kelley School of Business."
Jul 20 2017 4:36PM
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Murdock
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No hes just got a degree in being a slimy scumbag
Jul 20 2017 4:39PM
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Park_Ranger
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snowpocalypsehttps://www.fundable.com/revision-skis


That was interesting to read.

It's so obvious that this company was eventually going to go under. They were basically a façade trying to gain traction through crowd sourcing via the internet and a bunch of broke kids.

The thing is that the business was destined to fail, it was easy to see that since the beginning. The way in which it failed, however, is 100% on Bill and the choices that he deliberately made. It's a shame... shouldn't have gone down like that.
Jul 20 2017 4:42PM
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Randy_Quench
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Park_RangerHe has a Master’s Degree from Indiana University’s Kelley School of Business.


This cracks me up. Went to one of the top 10 business schools and still failed two ski companies. All that deep Indiana skiing must have distracted him from his studies...
Jul 21 2017 9:46AM
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.lencon
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Randy_QuenchThis cracks me up. Went to one of the top 10 business schools and still failed two ski companies. All that deep Indiana skiing must have distracted him from his studies...


Not trying to defend him, but the ski industry is a pretty tough industry for start ups. I mean, just look at all the other small (and large) companies who have gone out of business, been bought out, etc etc.

At least none of those companies scammed like revision has done.





Also, you'd be surprised how many people don't know revision is out of business. My buddy bought a pair of talismans the first year and told me he wanted to buy another pair, then I told him the news. He was like "oh really". So I wonder if any kids bought skis even after this whole thing was going on and while the site was still up.
Jul 21 2017 11:08AM
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rcn
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-SnowSnoli-What skis did you order and where in Switzerland? If you don't get your money back and you don't have cash for skis next winter I can try hook you up. I got skis from 174-184.


tru. was also hyped to rep them in switzerland but after i got mine in april (i ordered from blind2) it quickly faded away. im now thinking about how i can erase any revision branding of my skis

edit: wrong quote but whatever

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Jul 21 2017 4:50PM
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TheDoughAbides
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snowpocalypseWell they are still actively searching out funding

https://www.fundable.com/revision-skis

Anyone want to bet if Bill will respond if you offer money?




very battala-esque star on those bases...
Jul 21 2017 5:19PM
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partyandBS
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their website says new ski line up drops august 1. . . . WHOS STOKED!?
Jul 28 2017 10:21AM
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dkirse
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partyand_BStheir website says new ski line up drops august 1. . . . WHOS STOKED!?


Where does it say that? I mean, their website is back up which is weird in itself...but it doesn't say they have a new line dropping.
Jul 28 2017 1:17PM
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kingsskier
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dkirseWhere does it say that? I mean, their website is back up which is weird in itself...but it doesn't say they have a new line dropping.


I thought it was weird that its back too. I cant remember if it was ever taken down, I thought it was.
It says August 1st if you go to the "shop" tab and click "read more" on the skis. Are they seriously going to release more skis? If so, this guy needs to be taken to court.
Jul 28 2017 1:37PM
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dkirse
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kingsskierI thought it was weird that its back too. I cant remember if it was ever taken down, I thought it was.
It says August 1st if you go to the "shop" tab and click "read more" on the skis. Are they seriously going to release more skis? If so, this guy needs to be taken to court.


Yeah, I covered the story for powder(.com). the website was down, their Facebook page was taken down, and so was their Instagram. Really interesting, fishy stuff...

I'll try and look into it more.
Jul 28 2017 2:01PM
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.lencon
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dkirseYeah, I covered the story for powder(.com). the website was down, their Facebook page was taken down, and so was their Instagram. Really interesting, fishy stuff...

I'll try and look into it more.


Something is real fishy..

Kinda fucked that you can still buy skis... some kid is gonna purchase without knowing. How has this not gone to court though? I think y'all who got scammed should step up your game.
Jul 28 2017 2:07PM
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kingsskier
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.lenconSomething is real fishy..

Kinda fucked that you can still buy skis... some kid is gonna purchase without knowing. How has this not gone to court though? I think y'all who got scammed should step up your game.


Unless I missed one, they are all markes "sold out"
Jul 28 2017 2:32PM
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Sharko
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Bodrum 189cm is marked as in stock and it will allow you to add them to the cart.

also am I crazy or are these new graphics we're looking at?
Jul 28 2017 2:42PM
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Bassin
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Looks like they have a bunch of "2017" models on blind2shop.com
Jul 28 2017 3:16PM
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TheSmokinL
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Skora89Looks like they have a bunch of "2017" models on blind2shop.com

This has been known my friend
Jul 28 2017 3:23PM
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Bassin
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TheSmokinLThis has been known my friend


Shoot!

Just popped up while looking at some other skis, wasn't sure about it!

Ignore meeeeeee
Jul 28 2017 3:25PM
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a_burger
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its like they restored the site from summer 2016, it has the 15-16 skis on it
Jul 28 2017 3:37PM
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t-raw
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Bill loves ISIS
Aug 1 2017 4:40PM
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Sharko
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hunna_tyBill loves ISIS


That seems unlikely, but I guess anything's possible
Aug 1 2017 5:55PM
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CB4TSB
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anybody else getting the clock error at revisionskis.com
Aug 1 2017 7:49PM
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partyandBS
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I'm on my work computer obviously working vigorously and i went to the revision site and once i clicked shop it was blocked for not being secure. . . so is there a new line up? haha. tomorrow marks a year since i ordered my pair of Blinks. can't wait for them to get in . . . .
Aug 2 2017 10:13AM
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Park_Ranger
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Damn... it has been a month since someone posted.

So now what? Is this just over? So wild that Bill seemingly fell off the face of the earth with all these kids money over 9 months ago and there still isn't a single answer or clue as to what exactly went down. Does anyone know if there is any kind of legal mediation in the works?
Sep 1 2017 11:57AM
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SofaKingSick
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Park_RangerDamn... it has been a month since someone posted.

So now what? Is this just over? So wild that Bill seemingly fell off the face of the earth with all these kids money over 9 months ago and there still isn't a single answer or clue as to what exactly went down. Does anyone know if there is any kind of legal mediation in the works?


i doubt it. best i think you can realistically hope for is some follow up/closure haha
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