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AgitatedHiatusAre you saying I'm offended by clothes or that butterslut is? Sorry, it's finals time here at school and my brain is completely fried.

Haha not you. Good luck on finals!

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tragic that the world has gotten to the point where a thread even has to be made concerning this... people need to learn to laugh at themselves

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Gods_FatherHaha not you. Good luck on finals!

Thanks brother. Already had a couple. Studying for my math one as we speak and holy shit I am going to fail miserably.

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intifadaIs this a race issue for you or a religious one? I'm confused because you're talking like there are no white muslims when there are millions of them in Eastern Europe.

It's not a "race issue for me", but yes it's a race issue.

AgitatedHiatusThis just might be one of the dumbest things I have ever read.

Hmm really? Why?

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Gods_Father"No one looks down on Christianity or white people"
clearly this kid just lives in a sugar-coated reality, also offended by clothes. Prob just needs to watch some videos of men beating the fuck out of Christian women...

I don't exclusively fight for "clothing rights". There are a lot of different beliefs I hold and battles I fight. I'm just giving my opinion in this thread, like OP fucking asked for lol

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butterslut.I don't exclusively fight for "clothing rights". There are a lot of different beliefs I hold and battles I fight. I'm just giving my opinion in this thread, like OP fucking asked for lol

Pretty hilarious opinion. "Nobody looks down on Christianity or white people"....No persecution of Christians by Muslims? Not even in Pakistan eh?
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/christian-attacks.aspx

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butterslut.It's not a "race issue for me", but yes it's a race issue.

Hmm really? Why?

Cultural Appropriation is a joke. All languages around the world have words and phrases from different languages. If a white guy starts to speak spanish, is that cultural appropriation too? Is that bad?

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AgitatedHiatusCultural Appropriation is a joke. All languages around the world have words and phrases from different languages. If a white guy starts to speak spanish, is that cultural appropriation too? Is that bad?

cultural appropriation isn't just taking something from a certain culture.It's taking an aspect of their culture (head dresses for example) and ignoring all of the problems within their culture whilst benefiting from said culture. For example, a school in kentucky (1) banned black hairstyles. All while Kylie Jenner is being praised as a fashion icon for having cornrows. Meanwhile, a white rapper like macklemore isn't nearly as slammed (I can think of like two rappers that have slammed macklemore) for "cultural appropriation". Why?? Because Macklemore isn't just benefiting from being a white rapper, and ignoring the issues in the black community. He's actively trying to make a change and educate people. (2) That's why no one gives a shit when black people take from "white culture" because white people don't have any systematic problems.

(1) http://www.alternet.org/education/kentucky-high-school-banned-black-hairstyles

(2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_rl4ZGdy34

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You can attempt to justify it however you like, but cultural appropriation as a negative is an invented moral theory whose sole purpose is to create dividing lines between people of different ethnic backgrounds so as to treat them as groups first and individuals second. Freedom of expression demands that each individual can express themselves - including through clothing and hairstyles - exactly as they see fit, and no one else should bring their own moral judgment to bear so as to preclude those avenues of expression. That's called "liberalism".

The whole point of moral progress is that we examine different ideas (whether they be sourced in ethnic cultures or otherwise), adopt what we think is good and discard what we think is bad or doesn't work. Avoiding ideas because the people who invented them have different coloured skin than we do or speak a different language isn't "respect", it's well-meaning racism. Cultural appropriation is one of the main ways societies make progress, including cultural progress.

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J.D.You can attempt to justify it however you like, but cultural appropriation as a negative is an invented moral theory whose sole purpose is to create dividing lines between people of different ethnic backgrounds so as to treat them as groups first and individuals second. Freedom of expression demands that each individual can express themselves - including through clothing and hairstyles - exactly as they see fit, and no one else should bring their own moral judgment to bear so as to preclude those avenues of expression. That's called "liberalism".

The whole point of moral progress is that we examine different ideas (whether they be sourced in ethnic cultures or otherwise), adopt what we think is good and discard what we think is bad or doesn't work. Avoiding ideas because the people who invented them have different coloured skin than we do or speak a different language isn't "respect", it's well-meaning racism. Cultural appropriation is one of the main ways societies make progress, including cultural progress.

So when a school bans black hairstyles, all while Kylie Jenner is being praised for being fashion forward that's making progress? Like I said above, there's nothing wrong with taking from a certain culture. But there is a lot wrong from taking from a culture for fashion or whatever purposes and ignoring all of the problems within said culture. Like systemic racism within the black culture, like the stripping of native land. Like ignoring all the problems created by the stolen generation and thinking aboriginal face paint is "funny" and a "good costume".

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S.J.WSo when a school bans black hairstyles, all while Kylie Jenner is being praised for being fashion forward that's making progress? Like I said above, there's nothing wrong with taking from a certain culture. But there is a lot wrong from taking from a culture for fashion or whatever purposes and ignoring all of the problems within said culture. Like systemic racism within the black culture, like the stripping of native land. Like ignoring all the problems created by the stolen generation and thinking aboriginal face paint is "funny" and a "good costume".

"So when a school bans black hairstyles, all while Kylie Jenner is being praised for being fashion forward that's making progress?"

Did I say this? Pretty sure I didn't say this. Pretty sure I said the opposite, which is that people should be able to express themselves however they want.

There is nothing wrong with taking from a certain culture, period. It's not contingent on anything else. There is no duty inherent in adopting an idea or concept that you think is a good one. It does not impose some moral obligation on you. Either you already had the moral obligation, or you didn't.

In other words, either a person should be worried about systemic racism within black culture or encroachments on native land, or they shouldn't, and the answer to that question has nothing to do with how they choose to wear their goddamned hair or what music they enjoy listening to. These things are in no way logically linked.

Moral confusion abound...

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I'm not sure what the school in Kentucky banning hairstyles and Kylie Jenner have in common other than both having a negative impact on society.

The whole idea of 'cultural appropriation' as a negative aspect in our society plays into the argument of the Alt Right

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S.J.Wcultural appropriation isn't just taking something from a certain culture.It's taking an aspect of their culture (head dresses for example) and ignoring all of the problems within their culture whilst benefiting from said culture. For example, a school in kentucky (1) banned black hairstyles. All while Kylie Jenner is being praised as a fashion icon for having cornrows. Meanwhile, a white rapper like macklemore isn't nearly as slammed (I can think of like two rappers that have slammed macklemore) for "cultural appropriation". Why?? Because Macklemore isn't just benefiting from being a white rapper, and ignoring the issues in the black community. He's actively trying to make a change and educate people. (2) That's why no one gives a shit when black people take from "white culture" because white people don't have any systematic problems.

(1) http://www.alternet.org/education/kentucky-high-school-banned-black-hairstyles

(2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_rl4ZGdy34

mackelmore is a pussy ass bitch.

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J.D."So when a school bans black hairstyles, all while Kylie Jenner is being praised for being fashion forward that's making progress?"

Did I say this? Pretty sure I didn't say this. Pretty sure I said the opposite, which is that people should be able to express themselves however they want.

There is nothing wrong with taking from a certain culture, period. It's not contingent on anything else. There is no duty inherent in adopting an idea or concept that you think is a good one. It does not impose some moral obligation on you. Either you already had the moral obligation, or you didn't.

In other words, either a person should be worried about systemic racism within black culture or encroachments on native land, or they shouldn't, and the answer to that question has nothing to do with how they choose to wear their goddamned hair or what music they enjoy listening to. These things are in no way logically linked.

Moral confusion abound...

So when you create something, it's your thing. You've been doing it for longer and better than anyone else, and someone comes along, takes your thing and profits widely from it, you wouldn't care? Aren't you a lawyer or something? What if you worked super hard on a case, only for me to come, take all your notes and then take all the credit for the work you did?

Look at this fucking website, there is a lot of people complaining about the olympics and how freeskiing will die out and lose it's soul because of the olympics. That more people will become freeskiers because they thinks "it's cool". There was people complaining about that. You have surfers complaining surfing is getting too big and it's losing it's culture. People don't like it when what they believe in and create is taken by people for popularity or other reasons. Hipsters are a perfect example. Fucking music and how pedantic people are over underground bands. Now imagine, you're in a society which looks down on you because you embrace your culture, only to have a white person do the exact same thing and be praised for it? How the fuck can't you see the issue in that?

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S.J.WSo when you create something, it's your thing. You've been doing it for longer and better than anyone else, and someone comes along, takes your thing and profits widely from it, you wouldn't care? Aren't you a lawyer or something? What if you worked super hard on a case, only for me to come, take all your notes and then take all the credit for the work you did?

You are so confused as to why you are angry. Your example is theft. The black hair style example is irony. Other people's examples are just being assholes.

The real question here is why did the op think his robe was a great costume? Because it's comfortable, because it is a great way to dress a someone else or because he thought it was funny? Then the question is why is it funny to dress as a muslim? This is 'racism'. You could call it cultural appropriation but why would you? It's just 'racist'.

To be clear, cultural appropriation is just using things from another culture, or appropriating them. Cultural mis-appropriation is using things from another culture in a disrespectful way. Borrow anything you want from any culture, just beware when you use it disrespectfully. This thought process should be the same if it is your own culture. People always point out the skanky festival native head dress because the head dress is a culturally significant piece and they feel it is being disrespected because the wearer is not acknowledging the significance. Do you think natives should feel offended if they see that?

To me, it is about the intent and respect of the user.

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wearing islamic clothes would be neither cool, funny or interesting. people would think you just looked like a dickhead who was trying to poke fun at somebody else's culture.

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S.J.Wcultural appropriation isn't just taking something from a certain culture.It's taking an aspect of their culture (head dresses for example) and ignoring all of the problems within their culture whilst benefiting from said culture. For example, a school in kentucky (1) banned black hairstyles. All while Kylie Jenner is being praised as a fashion icon for having cornrows. Meanwhile, a white rapper like macklemore isn't nearly as slammed (I can think of like two rappers that have slammed macklemore) for "cultural appropriation". Why?? Because Macklemore isn't just benefiting from being a white rapper, and ignoring the issues in the black community. He's actively trying to make a change and educate people. (2) That's why no one gives a shit when black people take from "white culture" because white people don't have any systematic problems.

(1) http://www.alternet.org/education/kentucky-high-school-banned-black-hairstyles

(2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_rl4ZGdy34

Thanks for actually explaining it instead of just bashing my stance on the problem.

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hemlockjibber8Then the question is why is it funny to dress as a muslim? This is 'racism'.

For the record, which race is "muslim" again?

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death_gripswearing islamic clothes would be neither cool, funny or interesting. people would think you just looked like a dickhead who was trying to poke fun at somebody else's culture.

Islam deserves to be pocked fun at, it's a depraved, backwards political ideology.

Do you get the same level of upset when someone dresses as a Catholic priest?

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CampeadorIslam deserves to be pocked fun at, it's a depraved, backwards political ideology.

Do you get the same level of upset when someone dresses as a Catholic priest?

well no because catholics are currently not a demonised sub-culture. I think all religion is kinda backwards to be honest, but doing little bitchy attacks on it isn't going to do shit.

you're probably not very bright are you?

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death_gripswell no because catholics are currently not a demonised sub-culture. I think all religion is kinda backwards to be honest, but doing little bitchy attacks on it isn't going to do shit.

you're probably not very bright are you?

A demonized "sub-culture", that's interesting. Last I checked it was muslims that typically demonize all non-muslims, and even each other depending on who they consider the legitimate heir of the "prophet".

And who gets to decide which classes of people are to be protected from satire and which groups are fair game? You?

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CampeadorFor the record, which race is "muslim" again?

I also wish people would stop conflating a religious ideology with a race, but let's be honest, if he's wearing an "Islam Costume" he's probably dressing as an Arab, and it's totally right to point out that whether or not that's just an instance of the OP being an asshole depends on his intentions. But I see no particularly good reason to do this that isn't asshole-related, really. It's not like people typically wear arabic garb as a costume, it's not as if he's saying "can I dress up as a Viking" or something like that. Why would it be funny? I guess to troll insufferable, self-righteous people like SJW, and get them to freak out? That's also pretty much just being an asshole, regardless of how utterly dumb (yet totally sanctimonious) those people are.

Anyway, SJW is confused as always. If you want to steal my notes and take credit for my work, I mean... okay, you're going to jail. Also my client is going to be asking "who the fuck is this kid and where's my lawyer". Not to mention, does any particular black person get to take credit for black culture's artifacts just because they're black? No one alive invented "black hairstyles", if you insist on associating hairstyles with skin colour. Basically, that analogy didn't make any goddamned sense at all.

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Gods_FatherPretty hilarious opinion. "Nobody looks down on Christianity or white people"....No persecution of Christians by Muslims? Not even in Pakistan eh?
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/christian-attacks.aspx

Sure, I guess I worded that incorrectly. I did state what I meant though. I mean I definitely look down on white people. I think as a conglomerate we are trash. But, if another race is "racist" against white people that's because of white people being racist towards them.

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that doesn't entirely apply to religion though.

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CampeadorFor the record, which race is "muslim" again?

I thought you 'intelligent' people would aknowledge my quotation marks on racism. I was being considerate of everyone being on topic and not deviating from that topic to point out that Muslim is not a race. So I could have used Islamophobia or religious hatred and then explained the use of that versus racism and subsequently losing everyone.

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death_gripswell no because catholics are currently not a demonised sub-culture. I think all religion is kinda backwards to be honest, but doing little bitchy attacks on it isn't going to do shit.

you're probably not very bright are you?

Catholic church not demonized? Did you forget about the massive child abuse scandal that ripped the Catholic Church to shreds? While it is still huge, it suffered greatly and has a huge black shadow cast over it.

And yes, if you dress as a Catholic priest as a joke people do get offended

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butterslut.But, if another race is "racist" against white people that's because of white people being racist towards them.

Hahahahahahaha ya, ok! Stupid idiot

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butterslut.Sure, I guess I worded that incorrectly. I did state what I meant though. I mean I definitely look down on white people. I think as a conglomerate we are trash. But, if another race is "racist" against white people that's because of white people being racist towards them.

Thank god. Before this post i thought there was a possibility you werent trolling

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butterslut.I mean I definitely look down on white people. I think as a conglomerate we are trash.

If anyone was still wondering why Donald Trump won.

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J.D.I also wish people would stop conflating a religious ideology with a race, but let's be honest, if he's wearing an "Islam Costume" he's probably dressing as an Arab, and it's totally right to point out that whether or not that's just an instance of the OP being an asshole depends on his intentions. But I see no particularly good reason to do this that isn't asshole-related, really. It's not like people typically wear arabic garb as a costume, it's not as if he's saying "can I dress up as a Viking" or something like that. Why would it be funny? I guess to troll insufferable, self-righteous people like SJW, and get them to freak out? That's also pretty much just being an asshole, regardless of how utterly dumb (yet totally sanctimonious) those people are.

If he wanted to really dress up like an actual Arab, he'd just need wear overpriced Armani clothes from head to toe, and enough cologne to be smelt from a block away.

The desert headdress is part of a costume.

Frankly, I would think it's hilarious seeing someone with the cojones to wear it, despite all the dirty looks from their Islam-friendly left-of-center friends.

People who are assholes almost always have a far better sense of humor then the nancy-boys who go around afraid of "offending" someone.

And last I checked, the Arabs have gotten very rich off of us, so that kind of throws the whole "oppressed" argument out the window.

I think you and I are more or less on the same page on this.

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Gods_FatherHahahahahahaha ya, ok! Stupid idiot

oh my god. haha ok. this is literally text book information. but alright. I'm an idiot.

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.Hugo.Thank god. Before this post i thought there was a possibility you werent trolling

I'm never sure if you're being serious or not, so I'm just going to ignore you from now.

CampeadorIf anyone was still wondering why Donald Trump won.

I don't understand what you mean. like, if you took that post completely seriously and you think that I think that white people are entirely trash, then wouldn't that mean that I'm racist against white people and that I support someone other than trump? Because trump is generally viewed as being racist against PoC. lol pls explain.

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butterslut.I don't understand what you mean. like, if you took that post completely seriously and you think that I think that white people are entirely trash, then wouldn't that mean that I'm racist against white people and that I support someone other than trump? Because trump is generally viewed as being racist against PoC. lol pls explain.

While Trump didn't win because of one or two trends in the US, the actions and words of the progressive (regressive) left defiantly brought his base out.

Trump didn't win because white people don't like black people or Mexicans. Trump won because white people, especially white males, are sick and tired of people like you telling them that they are inherently responsible for everything wrong with America (and the world).

President Elect Trump won because fuck muppet SJWs like you plastered 'privilege' all over Social Media for the last few years. A bunch of the people you told to check their privilege are looking for it around their denied loan applications, and five jobs in the last four years since they voted for President Obama. Oh, and you told them they are racists.

Now, as someone who finds the guy a total incompetent mess, would you and your progressive friends please lay off the Trump 2020 campaign. Thanks.

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butterslut.lol pls explain.

Here, I'll let this guy do it.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/850596/President-Trump--How--amp--Why---

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butterslut.oh my god. haha ok. this is literally text book information. but alright. I'm an idiot.

Textbook information? So historically, Muslims persecute Christian white people because white people were racist to them? Hahahahah! Fantasy land alert...trust me, you are indeed a stupid idiot.

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