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2016/2017 ON3P Thread

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jca
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The new catalog is out and this shit is hot!
http://issuu.com/on3pskis/docs/on3pskis_sia_catalog_2016_issuu/1?e=3608669/33049783

I smell a Steeple 108 and Kartel 108 in my future.
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BirtDike
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ON3P happened, again.
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Topsen
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Where do you guys have your Kartel 98s mounted?
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DayMan
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TopsenWhere do you guys have your Kartel 98s mounted?


Right at the recommended line, which seems perfect for me.
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Literature
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TopsenWhere do you guys have your Kartel 98s mounted?


Right on the recommended line for park and spring all-mtn blasting.
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Topsen
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LiteratureRight on the recommended line for park and spring all-mtn blasting.


Recommended is 4,25, right? Seems quite far back for park skiing, although i guess the guys at ON3P know what they are doing ;)

How are they riding switch there? Hows the swing-weight?
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.lencon
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TopsenRecommended is 4,25, right? Seems quite far back for park skiing, although i guess the guys at ON3P know what they are doing ;)

How are they riding switch there? Hows the swing-weight?


Recommended should be closer to -3 cm. I have my Kartel 106s at -2.5 I think.

Swing weight is pretty good I think, they ride switch fine, I don't ride switch fine, though.
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Literature
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TopsenRecommended is 4,25, right? Seems quite far back for park skiing, although i guess the guys at ON3P know what they are doing ;)

How are they riding switch there? Hows the swing-weight?


Centering your mount point is a bit of straw man when it comes to actual performance difference in a ski. Somewhere along the line, skiers accepted the narrative that being dead center on the ski meant that they could somehow spin more evenly.

However, I don't ski directly over the midsole mark on my boots--and if you use shin pressure like 90% of skiers, depending on the forward lean of your boots, your body may actually line up in front of the midsole mark of your boots. This especially for skiing switch. Functionally, my body weight is near the dead middle of the ski when I'm in normal ski position.

Skiers try to square this narrative of feeling like they need to be dead center with seeing a number like -4.25 and have a mental panic. It's silly, because after a certain distance close to center, it doesn't make much of a difference. I've done plenty of spinning on skis mounted at -11cm from dead center, and after you get closer to dead center from -5cm, there isn't much of an improvement in "swing weight".

Being 4cm back on my mount gives me enough tip to keep my Kartel 98s as an all mountain weapon that handles a bit of pow, does just fine in spring slush, carves in line with the sidecut. They handle great switch, and the swing weight feels just fine whipping quick 2s on or spinning over jumps.

ON3P doesn't make a ski that's recommended to be mounted dead center any more for all these reasons. We put a lot of thought, consideration, and feedback from the team and others who help to develop our skis into the final specs for each ski--trust me, we pick the point that makes the most sense for the intended use.
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Topsen
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Literature(...)

ON3P doesn't make a ski that's recommended to be mounted dead center any more for all these reasons. We put a lot of thought, consideration, and feedback from the team and others who help to develop our skis into the final specs for each ski--trust me, we pick the point that makes the most sense for the intended use.



Thanks a lot for the detailed answer, really appreciate it and it does make sense what you are saying.

Though, from looking at pictures of the team riders/skis (yeah im a little obsessed with these kind of things) they seem to mount their skis forward of recommended and even on the pro rider setup he mounts the kartel 106 center...
https://www.newschoolers.com/news/read/Pro-Rider-Set-Max-Morello
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BirtDike
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You can go forward of the line, but you will lose a bit of versatility. On the line, it will be better for all mountain jibbing, and still great in the park.
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iggyskier
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TopsenThanks a lot for the detailed answer, really appreciate it and it does make sense what you are saying.

Though, from looking at pictures of the team riders/skis (yeah im a little obsessed with these kind of things) they seem to mount their skis forward of recommended and even on the pro rider setup he mounts the kartel 106 center...
https://www.newschoolers.com/news/read/Pro-Rider-Set-Max-Morello


What % are you skiing in the park?
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Topsen
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iggyskierWhat % are you skiing in the park?


I would say around 50/50
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Dddsz
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.lenconKnowing Sconnie he probably obtained some of Charlie murphys DNA and cloned him.


My boner for ON3P is everlasting.
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PowTron
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TopsenI would say around 50/50


Mount on the line. For sure.
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_Jeffrey_
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I wish ON3P would sell hoodies. I'd love an ON3P hoodie
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Session
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_Jeffrey_I wish ON3P would sell hoodies. I'd love an ON3P hoodie



Face tubes would be titties.
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Mr.Penguin
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Second the face tubes
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.lencon
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anything would be the titties.

tubes, hoodies, shirts (long and short), crews, more hats..

cmon on3p quit making good skis and make some clothing
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BirtDike
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I would definitely be in for a Polyester Hoodie, a face tube, and some casual tees...if they had them
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PowTron
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Softgoods are currently being planned for later this year and next season. Promise.

:)
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Session
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PowTronSoftgoods are currently being planned for later this year and next season. Promise.

:)


Face tubes JONG!
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PowTron
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Face condoms are also on the docket.
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YoungWookiee
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I never thought about the stance point while skiing until now. That totally makes sense
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MartianMan
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What's up everyone,

Currently eyeing the Kartel 108 to compliment my Shreditor 92's, which are my rock skis. I live in VT, and will spend most of my time skiing at Sugarbush, and likely take a trip or two out west. Just have a couple concerns:

I'm not much of a jib oriented skier, but I have a playful style and ride switch a fair amount. Will these be too freestyle focused?

Also, I'm 5'11, 160 lbs, and I was leaning towards the 186, but I'm a bit scared they will be too much to handle in VT's tight trees and bumps. Is the 181 too short?
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DayMan
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MartianManWhat's up everyone,

Currently eyeing the Kartel 108 to compliment my Shreditor 92's, which are my rock skis. I live in VT, and will spend most of my time skiing at Sugarbush, and likely take a trip or two out west. Just have a couple concerns:

I'm not much of a jib oriented skier, but I have a playful style and ride switch a fair amount. Will these be too freestyle focused?

Also, I'm 5'11, 160 lbs, and I was leaning towards the 186, but I'm a bit scared they will be too much to handle in VT's tight trees and bumps. Is the 181 too short?


I'm 6'2" 190 lbs and I ski the 186's, and to be honest they definitely ski like they're shorter than they actually are. If I were you I'd probably go with the 181 though, just for the extra maneuverability for east coast trees and bumps and whatnot.
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MartianMan
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Thanks, I'm pretty torn now. My only concerns are that the 181 could possibly lack stability if I take it out west, and that I wish my 177 K2 Shred 92's didn't ski so short, considering that their edge length is probably pretty similar to the 181 K108's.
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-wakes-
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MartianManThanks, I'm pretty torn now. My only concerns are that the 181 could possibly lack stability if I take it out west, and that I wish my 177 K2 Shred 92's didn't ski so short, considering that their edge length is probably pretty similar to the 181 K108's.


Im 6'0 155 and ski a 181 Kartel 106. I live in Idaho and ski very aggressively on them and can only could a handful of times where I wished I had more ski. I love the 181 size. It is right at the top of my head and the skis have plenty of backbone. Unless you fucking charge I think 181 will give you a great mix of maneuverability and stability at speed.
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trevorschu
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I'm 5'11'' 185lbs and am looking at the kartel 98 for vermont all mtn. I ski 60/40 groomers/park and am not sure if I should go 76, 81 or 86? I last skied on a pair of 168 scott park skis which were short but fun. Any recommendations?
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Dddsz
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trevorschuI'm 5'11'' 185lbs and am looking at the kartel 98 for vermont all mtn. I ski 60/40 groomers/park and am not sure if I should go 76, 81 or 86? I last skied on a pair of 168 scott park skis which were short but fun. Any recommendations?

Jumping from a 168 to 180-something will definately take you a few days to get used to.

Everyone kid on NS will tell you to get the 186's for some reason, but I think the 181's would be perfect if you're using them in the park or trees. If you prefer cruising groomers, then go 186cm.
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BirtDike
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At 160lbs, you could get away with the 186cm, but the 181 will be more fun for jibbing around.
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badbrad_2
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I'm 6'0'' and ~170-180 lbs. Should I get the Kartel 108's in 181 or 186? I'm skiing mostly all-mountain at Squaw.
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Session
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badbrad_2I'm 6'0'' and ~170-180 lbs. Should I get the Kartel 108's in 181 or 186? I'm skiing mostly all-mountain at Squaw.


For sure 186.
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profa_212
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badbrad_2I'm 6'0'' and ~170-180 lbs. Should I get the Kartel 108's in 181 or 186? I'm skiing mostly all-mountain at Squaw.


For sure the 186.
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DayMan
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badbrad_2I'm 6'0'' and ~170-180 lbs. Should I get the Kartel 108's in 181 or 186? I'm skiing mostly all-mountain at Squaw.


for sure the 186
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bakerymaster
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badbrad_2I'm 6'0'' and ~170-180 lbs. Should I get the Kartel 108's in 181 or 186? I'm skiing mostly all-mountain at Squaw.


former the 186
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Dddsz
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badbrad_2I'm 6'0'' and ~170-180 lbs. Should I get the Kartel 108's in 181 or 186? I'm skiing mostly all-mountain at Squaw.


For sure 186
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Shoey-Ski
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badbrad_2I'm 6'0'' and ~170-180 lbs. Should I get the Kartel 108's in 181 or 186? I'm skiing mostly all-mountain at Squaw.


186 man
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Mr.Penguin
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Is anyone on the west coast using a Billy Goat as a daily, if so how do you like it?
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profa_212
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Mr.PenguinIs anyone on the west coast using a Billy Goat as a daily, if so how do you like it?


Also use mine in tahoe as a daily....I got no complaints at all for them...edge grip isn't that bad imo and @bgillis I've taken some ripper turns down red dog with them....keep them edges sharp though.
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*DOG
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im 5'10 140 pounds should i go kartel 108 in 181 or 186?? i'm a fairly aggressive skier and would mount them -2.5 from centre (like karl). going to be all mountain and some side country/backcountry. my park ski is atomic punx 176 or 171 i believe.upgrading from my present all mountain skis.
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*DOG
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*DOGim 5'10 140 pounds should i go kartel 108 in 181 or 186?? i'm a fairly aggressive skier and would mount them -2.5 from centre (like karl). going to be all mountain and some side country/backcountry. my park ski is atomic punx 176 or 171 i believe.upgrading from my present all mountain skis.


just to add i am still growing aswell.
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bakerymaster
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*DOGjust to add i am still growing aswell.


id say 186
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-wakes-
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*DOGjust to add i am still growing aswell.


I'm just bigger than you and ride the 181 106. You are 70 inches tall which = 177.8 cm. A 186 will be ~73 inches tall. All depends on how big you want the ski to be.
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Mr.Penguin
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I'd go with a 181, people for whatever reason on here always suggest going longer with skis but I don't think people take into account that a 181 On3p is more like a 186 in other brands.
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iggyskier
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I'd likely lean 181 as well. 140 is pretty light.
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*DOG
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iggyskierI'd likely lean 181 as well. 140 is pretty light.


yeah i was out almost all last season being sick, lost around 20 lbs i'm still trying to gain it back. thanks for the help :)
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AMcT
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Sorry for beating a dead horse here, but with the further back mounting points on the magnus and kartel 98 does anyone know if the pros are actually skiing them at recommended or are they are still forward mounting?
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Rodigan
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AMcTSorry for beating a dead horse here, but with the further back mounting points on the magnus and kartel 98 does anyone know if the pros are actually skiing them at recommended or are they are still forward mounting?


pretty sure Maxi has his Kartel -2 ........
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Topsen
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I followed the recommendations on here and mounted recommened, although I was sceptical. Couldnt be happier, they ride awesome. If I was riding 100% park i would maybe consider moving up a bit.
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*DOG
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AMcTSorry for beating a dead horse here, but with the further back mounting points on the magnus and kartel 98 does anyone know if the pros are actually skiing them at recommended or are they are still forward mounting?


Karl mounts his kartels at -2.5 from centre I believe. However im sure he probably has a centre mounted pair for skiing park. Dont count me on that last part forsure.
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