Seriously Vail..?

DeebieSkeebiesweird, that 6" or so skied like two feet today ;) i love the cottonwoods but PC/DV/The Can were bottomless today.

DeebieSkeebiesweird, that 6" or so skied like two feet today ;) i love the cottonwoods but PC/DV/The Can were bottomless today.

brotoit's funny cause pc actually got hit harder than LCC in this last system moving through. doesn't happen very often but still, it can.

also, vail has actually done the opposite of improving the parks. they're not even putting up their normal park at canyons this year, and kings crown is no longer at PC.

BortyDo you guys realize that if a lot of these mountains catered to the core skiers, sold cheap food, etc they would go out of business? I'm not saying everywhere so I don't need a "this place makes X amount blah blah"

Even the smallest hills live off the randoms. The holiday breaks where people go on trips are what keep a lot of places from closing the doors.
Basically the gapers from wherever, are really the ones keeping the ski industry alive.

If it was just pass holders, many mountains would fold pretty quick. Vail didn't fuck the core skiers. I've never actually purchased an epic pass just got through working for Vail, but you get a ridiculous amount of good, actually pretty much epic terrain for around $600.

The list of places that cost around that or more for 1 mountain is huge. And most of those mountains don't really have much in terms of terrain on many of the vail resorts.

The core skier doesn't even buy the cheaper mountain food a lot of the time. It's grilling in the lot, bring a sandwhich from home or some gas station deli, pbj sandwhiches, or eating before and after you shred.

If you want to bitch about the yellow jackets, bitch about the civil court system in the US. The fact that people can and do sue for everything. Vail is a business, shockingly sometimes a business might have a crazy idea like actually trying to make some money, and retain it. I'm not saying I like the yellow jackets, but for the most time they're only posting up on certain trails that are high traffic, many time by slow signs on trails that are meant to be reasonable speed.

Sure it's fun to blast around at full speed, but people do run into other people all the time. These mountains are fucking huge, there are plenty of trails you can rip down the cords full speed without ever having a problem. Just don't be an idiot on the slower trails, and maybe keep it mellow when you pass the yellow jackets, and in the base area.

Also think about the parks. Several Vail Resorts hold some of the best if not THE best terrain parks in the country, and the whole world actually.

People act like they're out there to ruin all the fun. Look at places like breck, keystone, etc. These places are fucking park powerhouses. The best of the best ride and train in them. VRs hold some of the biggest freestyle contests that exist.

I've definitely laughed when seeing a 7 or 8 slow baffles in the base area at Vail and some of their other mountains, but it's understandable. People come screaming into the base out of control and run people down. You see it all the time places. Some of the other non VR places get mobbed, it's out of control sometimes. Sure it's fun, but some people are seriously out of control. I can understand them wanting to designate a few trails, and the base area as "don't be retarded" zones. Hell, even mountains without safety patrol ski patrol will approach people if they're skiing like morons regardless.

If VR isn't core enough for you go to one of those mountains like MRG or Magic, or all these other places that are all about the whole core vibe or whatever. You don't have to ski there.

But PLEASE can people stop bitching about how Vail ruined their lives. I don't even like everything about Vail by any means, but people have this huge desire to ignore any mountains doing similar things and single out Vail. The "Errrmahhgerrrd if it's corporate it's horrible! Down with the corporations" attitude is annoying as hell.

Go find a time machine and set up a tent at occupy wall street or something.

The epic pass is cheap as fuck for what you get, and honestly cheaper than many single mountains with far less terrain. The parks are fucking stacked. Even the worst VR put some pretty decent effort into their parks.

People just need an enemy to stick it to the man, and I guess Vail has assumed that role for life.

Inb4 350,000 more of these threads this season.

"Omg, I wouldn't have bought a cheeseburger even if it was 2 bucks but I''m going to bitch that they cost 15" or " I almost it somebody on a slow trail and got a warning FUCK VAIL!" or "Vails like a corporation and stuff mannnnn" is just annoying at this point.

Go pool your core skier money and see if you can buy some tiny ski area with your combines $73, few loafs of bread, jars of pb and j, and pallets of ramen. Let the lame, not core enough to be cool skiers shred vail, and just send it at your small, to obscure to even have a website" hill in the middle of some forest ski area.

DeebieSkeebiesweird, that 6" or so skied like two feet today ;) i love the cottonwoods but PC/DV/The Can were bottomless today.

skebumwI get what you are saying but what me and I think everyone else is saying is that vail has the presence of a large corporate mountain. More than any other mountain out there and us die hards dont like the regulation and vibes that go on at a mountain like that. If vail wants to make money that way so be it but ill stick to places like Brighton and Solitude for my satisfaction.

when everyone else says stuff it comes off as bitching but I think this is what they are trying to get at.

eheathEveryone needs to shut the fuck up.

STwoopsFrom today:
Friends are in town and they bought my friend and I lunch. Went up to counter and I asked the guy if we got a discount if we had a seasons pass. He said, as rudely as possible, "NO! Why would you think you get a discount"
I laughed and said
"haha well that's Vail right"
He replied
"NO! and that's a bad attitude!"
Even my friends Mom was surprised.
Not only did my friend just drop 107 dollars for DISCOUNTED BUDDY PASS FOR ONE DAY. We just spent like 60 bucks on lunch for three people and we gotta deal with this old motherfucker who for some damn reason LOVES Vail and his shitty job as the cafeteria cashier.


and eheath is on the payroll. conspiracy.

STwoopsFrom today:
Friends are in town and they bought my friend and I lunch. Went up to counter and I asked the guy if we got a discount if we had a seasons pass. He said, as rudely as possible, "NO! Why would you think you get a discount"
I laughed and said
"haha well that's Vail right"
He replied
"NO! and that's a bad attitude!"
Even my friends Mom was surprised.
Not only did my friend just drop 107 dollars for DISCOUNTED BUDDY PASS FOR ONE DAY. We just spent like 60 bucks on lunch for three people and we gotta deal with this old motherfucker who for some damn reason LOVES Vail and his shitty job as the cafeteria cashier.


and eheath is on the payroll. conspiracy.

eheathYou might just be retarded. Why would you get a discount for having a season pass? Who told you that was even an option? The food guy was right, you just have a bad attitude.

And I don't like Vail either, but I'm extremely annoying by people like you who think PC is different, its not, at all.

eheathYou might just be retarded. Why would you get a discount for having a season pass? Who told you that was even an option? The food guy was right, you just have a bad attitude.

And I don't like Vail either, but I'm extremely annoying by people like you who think PC is different, its not, at all.

saskskierAll the resorts I've been to up here in Canukistan give discounts on all kinds of crap, including food in the lodge if you have a season pass. Heck, you can buy a card that gets you a few free days and a discount on lift tickets all other days (if you don't want to shell out for a season pass) and you still get discounts on food.

Hearing they don't in PC or Vail surprises me. I thought it was common practice.

eheathIt's definitely the opposite of what you think is the norm, at least in america/at any large resort.

Again, PC/Vail not offering a discount isn't exlusive to just VR, there are many different corporations that own resorts, like the company that used to own PC.

freeballerVail purchasing PC and Canyons didn't change the terrain. The OP made a huge mistake by buying an Epic Pass instead of a Brighton, Solitude, Alta, or Snowbird pass. Come on man! If you live in Utah, you know the deal. Head up Little or Big for the best skiing, well usually.

LOL, you chose to ski Park City? That's like choosing to ski race skis on a pow day. It' just wrong.

Ahmets_Brothervail resorts hires the rudest "courtesy staff" of anyone in the world. As a coach of a big mtn team at the canyons/park city, i got yelled at like a child for 2 minutes before i could open my mouth. apparently skiing down a trail with a group of kids wearing the same jacket is not allowed at vail.

I'm finished with vail resorts. i will only be skiing snowbasin, alta/bird, or brighton/solitude for now on, until any of those are owned by vail.

The disrespect for representatives and guests of the mountain is inhumane. no child growing up in park city should be treated like that, nor any person who raises the youth.

TurquoiseCowboyTHANK YOU G! A solid skier with a very solid opinion.

DOWN WITH VAIL

TurquoiseCowboyThis is more of a vent.

BortyThis is even more of a vent

TurquoiseCowboySimmer down. You're being sensative.

Boycott Borty would be a better shirt.

BortyYou're such a child it's hilarious and sad at the same time.


Why don't you make tshirts and boycott them. Maybe boycott every ski area owned by a large corporation, maybe boycott every ski area that people have ever have problems at, maybe even boycott any ski area that doesn't do everything the way you like.

Yeah, do that.

BortyThis is even more of a vent

Ahmets_Brotherits not about corporations or vail, its just about being treated like an like a customer or normal human being by representatives of a mountain. it could happen at any resort. unfortunately, the staff at vail resorts is best known for it.

skebumwI get what you are saying but what me and I think everyone else is saying is that vail has the presence of a large corporate mountain. More than any other mountain out there and us die hards dont like the regulation and vibes that go on at a mountain like that. If vail wants to make money that way so be it but ill stick to places like Brighton and Solitude for my satisfaction.

when everyone else says stuff it comes off as bitching but I think this is what they are trying to get at.

BortyI mean, how many ski areas give you a discount for having a season pass?

DrailReally though, besides parks, vail resorts are generally all mellow terrain and there are way, way better options for terrain.

DrailSo this is the most recent anti vail thread and while it's not totally relevant to the op I figured I'd just post anyways. My friend just went up to whistler and was dumbfounded by the cost of a single day ticket there and to put it in perspective I showed her how much a day at Vail costs. $175. And as a Canadian - that means $241 CND for a single day at Vail.

I'm not even mad. I'm impressed


Really though, besides parks, vail resorts are generally all mellow terrain and there are way, way better options for terrain. It's all moot though due to the ridiculously low cost of the epic pass. In western Canada you'd be hard pressed to find a seasons pass to a hill worth skiing that's less than $1000. Since this thread is about pc/canyons, there's no reason why you couldn't afford an epic pass AND a pass to any of the cottonwood hills.

It's no secret what Vails plans are and Park City was already a proper resort. I'm with EHeath on this. As a user, I highly doubt anything has drastically changed.

Everyone who is a real skier looks like an idiot when they bitch about vail resorts. Hell, if I was allowed to enter America I'd buy an epic pass because, why the fuck wouldn't you? Its probably about the same as most people's rent for one month. Get over yourselves.

(And yes, I'm festively drunk and should be with my wife and not on NS, but she's on the phone with her mom so here I am, making a fool of myself)

DrailSo this is the most recent anti vail thread and while it's not totally relevant to the op I figured I'd just post anyways. My friend just went up to whistler and was dumbfounded by the cost of a single day ticket there and to put it in perspective I showed her how much a day at Vail costs. $175. And as a Canadian - that means $241 CND for a single day at Vail.

I'm not even mad. I'm impressed


Really though, besides parks, vail resorts are generally all mellow terrain and there are way, way better options for terrain. It's all moot though due to the ridiculously low cost of the epic pass. In western Canada you'd be hard pressed to find a seasons pass to a hill worth skiing that's less than $1000. Since this thread is about pc/canyons, there's no reason why you couldn't afford an epic pass AND a pass to any of the cottonwood hills.

It's no secret what Vails plans are and Park City was already a proper resort. I'm with EHeath on this. As a user, I highly doubt anything has drastically changed.

Everyone who is a real skier looks like an idiot when they bitch about vail resorts. Hell, if I was allowed to enter America I'd buy an epic pass because, why the fuck wouldn't you? Its probably about the same as most people's rent for one month. Get over yourselves.

(And yes, I'm festively drunk and should be with my wife and not on NS, but she's on the phone with her mom so here I am, making a fool of myself)

Profahoben_212Every resort I've ever had a season pass to has. I thought it was pretty normal?

tdolloThat's like every ski hill ever. Not just vail. Stop being a pussy

PeppermillRenoIf your beef with Vail is the corporate vibe and not the shit beginner terrain than you are a gaper who belongs there and should just shut up and pay the money since you'd either hurt yourself or not venture off blue runs at a real hill.

StaticEvery single one of their resorts has double black diamond runs, that's as hard as it gets.

PeppermillRenoThe PC mountains are lacking Altabird is superior in every way. Unless you are a gaper/beginner intermediate. But there is no chilling by the lifts at Altabird you have to drive in for day.



And everyone I present to you the pretentious assholes who come out of lcc. Come to Brighton or Solitude with me for a day and we will see if you can keep up.

BortyAgreed. As far as the terrain, vail does have some steeper stuff and good general skiing, but some of the park hubs like breck not as much. Beaver creek had some really nice all mountain terrain, and most of the skiers stick to the trails there, so the trees had lots of freshies.I only worked there one season, and was generally too busy in the park to get out to the various terrain as much as I would have liked but I had no problems finding fresh snow and decent lines even weeks after a storm.

That said you probably wouldn't want to go there just to shred park anyway. That seems like the trade off at most places. Obviously there are some places that crush it at both but that's rare.


Word, idk then. I don't think I've ever ridden anywhere or really heard of any places doing it so it's not that common. A season pass is kind of like buying a lift ticket. You get discounts for working at the ski areas on food etc, but for a season pass I don't think that's in any way common. I've seen season pass appreciation stuff like people open a certain day for pass holders, maybe letting people go up the lifts early a certain day, or things like that, but nothing in terms of a regular discount on food.

What mountains do you ski that have this? I'm curious the size and region we're talking.

dyyylanAnyone know what the deal is with terrain still not being open? We've gotten 40+ inches in the last week and everything is very well covered, but there are still lifts not turning and entire areas of the mountains not open. I remember last year they were opening shit as soon as it covered most of the rocks, but this year I haven't even seen a rock and they still have stuff closed.

drauschso i'm from the midwest and only really ski around here. I've been looking for a trip out west and naturally the places i hear to go are vail and PC.

What would you guys recommend then? just looking to ski with friends for a good time. don't need $15 burgers and salads because we'll be sticking to go to good ole ramen and beans.

what places are the best kept secrets in Colorado or Utah?

drauschso i'm from the midwest and only really ski around here. I've been looking for a trip out west and naturally the places i hear to go are vail and PC.

What would you guys recommend then? just looking to ski with friends for a good time. don't need $15 burgers and salads because we'll be sticking to go to good ole ramen and beans.

what places are the best kept secrets in Colorado or Utah?

DrailGonna need some more info. If you want to do it on the cheep I assume you won't be pre booking any time soon right? Do you care for park? ripping groomers? Steeps? Trees? Pillows? Chutes? vertical matter? vibes?

As long as you aren't booking anything in advance, just watch the weather for the week or two before you plan on doing your trip and decide where while driving out there and hit the place that got snow most recently. If you are driving all that way and go to the Wasatch when Jackson Hole just got a foot of snow it's a rookie move 'cause the drive would take about the same amount of time. Key is - don't book shit in advance and follow the snow.



If you aren't interested in park and want to ski without all the 'resort' bullshit there's plenty of options, depending on your skill level and what not. Silverton and Wolf Creek are probably near the top of the list for Colorado.

drauschthanks for the help. obviously being out here skiing pillows and fresh powder is a little foreign to me. I really love to do it all those as long as there are good vibes. just wondering what mountains there are that would give me the big mountain "out west" feel without paying the 160/day lift ticket. i'm starting to realize i'm in for a wake-up call with the price of all these lift tickets.

Drailhad nothing better to do so I did some searching at ski hills that I figured would be on the cheaper end of things and found: