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_Ryan_Has anyone else ever thought that all the hormone disrupting chemicals in food and water and medication could have any slight thing to do with this? Think about it... lets say that most processed food containing these chemicals began (and was mass consumed) in the early to mid 1900's. That would mean that our generation would be the first babies of people who have been consuming these sorts of chemicals and pills for a full lifetime.
BogsNo. And I think your math might be off...or you define "generation" really broadly.
stinky_petei don't personally agree with it, but my personal opinion isn't the end all be all, so if other people want to do things like this, do it i don't care. i personally don't agree with it but that doesn't mean i should freak out at somebody that does
DirtYStylEJust be aware that I have the freedom to talk shit about your choice.
CheddarJackEveryone has the freedom to be an asshole but that doesn't mean you should be one.
CheddarJackOut of curiosity, what do you mean by you don't agree with it? That you wouldn't support a law allowing it? That you don't respect people who identify as it? The bible says it's wrong so you do too? That you don't believe that it's a real thing?
There a lot of people who say they don't agree with non-binary genders/sexualities but many will explain it differently. Most of the time they say they "don't agree", as you did, but what is there really to agree with?
BogsAren't there better things to worry or care about than who someone else prefers to have sex with?
DirtYStylETell them not to infringe on my morals and maybe I won't.
DirtYStylETell them not to infringe on my morals and maybe I won't.
DirtYStylEDon't even get me started. Taking this topic to a religious matter is not going to look good. BTW I'm not a fan Christianity. I have been reading into Buddhism more frequently.
CheddarJackOut of curiosity, what do you mean by you don't agree with it? That you wouldn't support a law allowing it? That you don't respect people who identify as it? The bible says it's wrong so you do too? That you don't believe that it's a real thing?
There a lot of people who say they don't agree with non-binary genders/sexualities but many will explain it differently. Most of the time they say they "don't agree", as you did, but what is there really to agree with?
If I told you my natural hair color is blonde but by looking at me, you'd see that it's brown. Would you say that you "don't agree" that it's blonde? Probably not. If you were skeptical, you'd say you didn't believe me. Would it matter if I always dyed my hair brown because I'm more comfortable with brown hair?
(disclaimer: my hair is physically and naturally brown)
Often people will say that they don't agree with something as a nice way of saying that they don't respect it, whether they are aware of it or not.
stinky_petewhen i said i don't believe in it i meant that i wouldn't personally do those things, but if other people do then i think that it is fine, it's their choice not mine and my choices have no power to govern theirs
_Ryan_i think this whole movement of "gender and sex have no correlation" is total bullshit. Iodinate get mad or interfere with people who believe this but i mean come on... You're saying that if you are a man, and are attracted to women, but feel like a woman on the inside, then you are now a woman who is attracted to women?? i may not fully understand but it sounds more like mental illness and confusion to me.
I have nothing against people like this i just feel that to say it's completely normal and part of being human is wrong... Even things like being a "furry" weirds me the fuck out and i personally do not consider that to be normal human behaviour. Extremes like that must stem from some deep rooted mental illness or insecurity.
CheddarJackBut of course you wouldn't - you're straight (I assume). You don't chose your gender or sexuality... you can choose to act upon your feelings but that's no different than you or I choosing to dating girls. We do so because our bodies (and society) tell us to do so. The only difference with LGBTQ people is that they don't have society backing their actions - just their bodies.
stinky_petei don't get it are you trying to argue with me or are we agreeing? i agree with what you're saying but i feel like you're trying to argue with me haha
daxtonWell, it's most certainly not normal to be trans, if by normal you mean average, but from what I've gathered, trans people are just as human as the rest of the population.
On the topic of theories, if fixing one's body could solve the majority of the problem, why should we even consider it a mental illness? Why not a physical disability?
Also, in my opinion, it's very wrong to call trans people confused- they know. Ask any trans person. It's not genderfluid, or non-binary, it's a sure feeling since childhood that they are in the wrong body and belong in the exact opposite one they were assigned to. That's not confusion.
Not to sound like a smart ass, and I'm not going to go into detail here, but I'd encourage you to look up some videos on the scientific aspect of being transgender, since your beliefs on how its cause must be "deep rooted mental illness or insecurity" seem a little ignorant. (No hate, not trying to be condescending or anything.) It's actually pretty interesting. Peace.
_Ryan_Has anyone else ever thought that all the hormone disrupting chemicals in food and water and medication could have any slight thing to do with this? Think about it... lets say that most processed food containing these chemicals began (and was mass consumed) in the early to mid 1900's. That would mean that our generation would be the first babies of people who have been consuming these sorts of chemicals and pills for a full lifetime. My thought is that these sorts of things may not have immediate effects on the consumer but have carried down through the generation and is now affecting us.
MinggSuper serious question. Like this isn't supposed to be meant in a bad way- I want someone to prove me wrong. I'd be stoked.
So I get people are always like "I was born this way" or "it's who I am." And people saying that you aren't born with a specific gender or it can change and whatever. I'm sorry but that makes absolutely no fucking sense to me.
When it comes down to it males have XY sex chromosomes. Females have XX sex chromosomes. And there are many differences that I don't care to get into. Point being, how can you be born with say XX chromosomes and claim to have been born a male? Like that is not a thing.
Well okay, its happened where someone was physically a female but genetically a male. (Caster Semenya for example) . Unless you've undergone a karyotype how would you know what you are genetically? Are you saying that suddenly this super rare thing isn't rare anymore? Or maybe it was never rare to begin with, i don't actually know.
I just don't get it. I'm accepting of people's beliefs and think anyone should do/be what makes them happy. However, can someone show me scientific proof that trans people are actually born the other gender?
Not trying to argue the other side either or come across like I don't support it. If someone actually showed me scientific, objective information on this I would be stoked. I just have never come across anything objective which rubs me the wrong way with stuff like this.
DBack1321Most of how you develop is initiated by hormones. My guess is that it's not the whole chromosome it self thats at fault, but the individual alleles which code for certain hormones to be developed a certain way and released at a certain time. This process gets messed up somehow. They aren't born the other gender physically, but something is different in their brain than a "normal" individual.
I have no evidence to back this up haha entirely theory. If anyone wants to do some med research please do this haha.
As far as rareness is concerned, I think a large part of homosexuality/bisexuallity/ transgender is that it has not been publicly acceptable until recently. That, coupled with social media, giving everyone a voice made the actual number of them more accurately know. Once a few people come out, naturally the amount that come out will grow exponentially. Just look at the Bill Cosby thing haha. Once one came out with what happened to her, woman were coming out of the woodwork saying he drugged and raped them.
They've really been here all the time, they just weren't open about it.
dingusIf someone is gay or bisexual, would they be sexually attracted to themselves?
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MinggAre you implying that there is a difference between gender and sex? I thought they were the same thing
BogsThey aren't. Sex = male/female, or what genitalia you have. Gender = man/woman, or how society expects boys to act vs. how we expect girls to act, for a very simple example: boys like blue, girls like pink, if you are a boy who likes pink, you are, in the eyes of many, wrong, or a more grown up example, women are supposed to want to stay home and be moms, men are supposed to want to go out and make money. There is no science behind the whole "boys like blue, girls like pink" thing or the "women stay home, men have jobs" thing, it's just the way we, as a society, have constructed it.
dingusIf someone is gay or bisexual, would they be sexually attracted to themselves?
CheddarJackBut of course you wouldn't - you're straight (I assume). You don't chose your gender or sexuality... you can choose to act upon your feelings but that's no different than you or I choosing to dating girls. We do so because our bodies (and society) tell us to do so. The only difference with LGBTQ people is that they don't have society backing their actions - just their bodies.
BlindsurferTransgenderism completely trivializes what it means to be a man or a woman.
MinggEither way it would be dope to see some science to back it, whether its genetically or environmentally influenced.
Blindsurfernot turn it into a fucking political movement
