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FBGMThe only thing I'm gonna say here is that just because it's not something you understand doesn't mean it isn't real. What I'm hearing from everyone posting saying it's bullshit is "it doesn't make sense to me, I haven't experienced this, therefore it doesn't exist." That seems extremely closed to me. It doesn't really make sense to jump to conclusions based on what is unknown.
K-Dot.Just playing the Devils advocate but you could make the same argument for God's existence
Sno.Someone can "not agree with it," but still accept those that do.
For instance...someone may think that plastic surgery is not healthy for people-- so they "don't agree with plastic surgery as a treatment for body dysmorphic disorder," but they also think that their own personal opinion shouldn't dictate how others live their lives..so they are ok with others doing their own thing, and wont try to hinder anyone else's rights.
I am that way about abortion. Personally, I am pro-life. However, I also don't think that my own opinion should dictate what others can do or decide...so if someone wants to have an abortion that's their own choice, and I have no say--but I don't agree with the choice. I just think that the fact that "I don't agree," is meaningless for anyone else but myself, so I just keep it to myself.
FBGMI do feel that it's a bit unfair to flat out deny something that is beyond one's own understanding, though.
DirtYStylETell them not to infringe on my morals and maybe I won't.
gnar_whalthis.
CheddarJackDoes plastic/transformation surgery promote a person's mental condition? Absolutely. After treatment, their mental health is far better than before.
Sno.^all of this being said, you obviously know everything that I stated-- its not news--I think you're obviously just being intentionally obtuse to make your point, but I think you're aiming your frustration at the wrong people.
Someone who says they "disagree" with someone life's decision to transition from one sex to another in that it doesn't align with their own morals or beliefs, but that doesn't try to impose that disagreement on anyone or try to hinder anyone's rights is not the person you should be worried about, in my opinion.
californiagrownLooks like we found two biggots. You have a moral problem with something that literally in no way affects you or anyone else... At all.
BogsYou do realize that the only reason it's a political movement is because of people who try to deny transgendered people rights, right? It's not transgendered people who are turning it into a political movement, it's the people opposing them who are.
Blindsurfertrans people are not a real thing. i already explained that. what are "trans rights?" The right to use the other washroom? That just makes you a pervert.
FBGMThat's so ignorant
gnar_whalWait, so you're calling us out because we said something that infringed on your morals? Oh the irony..
Blindsurferis it? what are rights that trans people would be specifically entitled to, besides the rights that everyone else already has?
Blindsurferis it? what are rights that trans people would be specifically entitled to, besides the rights that everyone else already has?
The.Natty.VeganNumber of times a person has used being transgender to peep on woman/men in the bathroom-0
Number of trans people who say they've been denied, harassed or assaulted trying to the restroom. 70%
FBGMI'm talking about you calling someone perverted for using a gender specific bathroom that is specific to a gender other than their own, or a gender other than their own assigned gender. I'm going to approach this while disregarding transgenderism because that's going to complicate things and I'd like to keep this single.
We have gender specific bathrooms for what reason? Safety from the opposite gender? Are we made to feel, for example, as women, that sharing a bathroom with men puts us in an unsafe position? Because all men are perverted and want to assault us, so we require a WOMEN ONLY bathroom in order to avoid being abused on any level? What's the issue with peeing in front of the opposite gender? Logically, nothing. Realistically, a lot of people are "pee shy" or "poop shy." But is that really an appropriate reason to have separate bathrooms based on gender? Who is to say that people weren't pee/poop shy until separate bathrooms were a thing anyway? Seems kind of silly. It's unfair to assume that someone is perverted by default because they want to use a bathroom that wasn't specified by some "authority figure" for them to use. It's ridiculous that using a gender specific bathroom is required by all people and non-negotiable, and if you disagree you're then labeled a pervert.
My point is that you seem brainwashed and very small to me if you truly believe someone could only possibly want to use a bathroom that hasn't been specified to them by some powerful source because they are perverted.
Blindsurferi'd say those numbers make sense. if someone asked you, would you admit to going into the bathroom to peep on people? you obviously wouldn't. don't be stupid. i think it is totally reasonable to try and prevent someone who is obviously of the opposite sex from using the wrong washroom. assault is obviously too far, you shouldn't assault anybody unless it's in self-defence. but denial and heckling? totally reasonable
Blindsurferlol. it's not about the fact that some authority assigned it. it's about the fact that as a young child i logically deduced i should be in the bathroom with the other boys, not the girls' bathroom. and yes, that is why there are gender-exclusive bathrooms. not all men are going to assault a woman if they find themselves in the bathroom with them, but there are certainly some men out there that would, and vice-versa. stop looking through your rose-coloured PC glasses and see reality for how it is.
The.Natty.VeganNumber of people charged who has cross dressed and walked into a bathroom to peep on the opposite sex? 0.
Should we also ban gays from using the bathroom because they might peep on my willy? No because that's fucking dumb.
How is denial and heckling totally reasonable? One in four transgender people will attempt to commit suicide. And it because of this complete bullshit like this. No one is saying you have to be best friends with a trans person, you're more than free to disagree with their choices. But just realise that Trans people are human just like you and me and just treat them with the respect you'd treat anyone, regardless of whether or not you agree with their choices.
Blindsurferdepressed people account for 1 in 4 of all suicides. does that mean we should just let them be depressed, call them heroes and give them "depressed rights." fuck no. we look into curing their mental illness you idiot
FBGMYou literally said just a few posts up that the only reason anyone would use a bathroom designated for the opposite gender is because they are a pervert. I have no "rose-colored PC glasses" on. I'm not sensitive to all things PC, but there's a line, and some things are inappropriate and important to talk about. Reading through your posts in not only this thread but others as well, it is very clear to me that you're pretty intolerant and disinterested in any way that isn't your own way. As I said before, it's ignorant to straight up deny and reject something just because you can't relate to it.
californiagrownNo, I'm calling you out as lacking logic or rationale. Basically you are a mental midget.
Transgender folks affect you as much as a person wearing a red T-shirt.
Blindsurferdepressed people account for 1 in 4 of all suicides. does that mean we should just let them be depressed, call them heroes and give them "depressed rights." fuck no. we look into curing their mental illness you idiot
Blindsurferwhat are "trans rights?" The right to use the other washroom? That just makes you a pervert.
The.Natty.VeganYour ignorance fathoms me.
Blindsurferit's not because i don't relate to it. it's because it's stupid and inane.
The.Natty.VeganAn illness can be cured.
californiagrownGoing by your logic, transgender people are sick. Guess what the cure is? Switching sexes. Zero side effects other than biggots like you.
You're an idiot on a whole lotta levels. Fucking knumbskull.
gnar_whalLacking logic? What logic?. I'm free to have my own beliefs, and if you don't agree with them, then don't, thats fine. This is a free country. But don't call me a "mental midget" just because you don't agree with me. Thats just idiotic on your part. We can agree to disagree, but don't call me out because of it. You're just butthurt that I have a different opinion than you
californiagrowneven the bible doesn't forbid or mention trans
Blindsurferobviously, because trans isn't a real thing
californiagrownYou agreed with the guy who said that "maybe I'll stop talking shit when they stop being trans".
They aren't affecting you, but your hate speech affects them. And then there is the fact that even the bible doesn't forbid or mention trans... So I'm left with the question: what caused you to have so much hate for absolutely no reason.
californiagrownIt sucks when your own logic, outlogic's you... Huh? Lol.
Blindsurferreally? show me the cures for cancer, AIDS, MS, herpes, lupus, and every mental illness out there. you're fucking stupid.
gnar_whal"Tell them not to infringe on my morals and maybe I won't."
I agreed with this statement. I don't go out there and hate on people who are homo, trans, bi, whatever sexual. I don't have anything against them, I just have different beliefs of what a relationship should be. You can disagree with someone without being a complete asshole. I
Blindsurferlol what? i am in no way religious nor do i subscribe to any holy book. i'm just saying that if the bible, one of the most prejudiced and hate-filled texts of all time, doesn't even acknowledge a hate-able thing as real, it clearly must not be real.
Blindsurferobviously, because trans isn't a real thing
The.Natty.VeganSo you think you know more about mental illness than doctors who went to school for years upon years and have studied psychological disorders and have deemed being transgender as not a mental disorder.
But I find it extremely hard to take you seriously when you take shirtless selfies.
https://www.instagram.com/p/1yAzI-N7db/?taken-by=cvmpbell
Blindsurferbig man, nice job skating around my question, and good use of the ad hominem fallacy. kudos to you for exposing yourself as an idiot, great job.
by the way, i'll have you know that more than 20 people liked that picture, so i have enough internet validation to feel great about myself. who's laughing now? probably you, because you have zero likes and therefore zero friends
The.Natty.VeganLol pot calling the kettle back with an ad hominem fallacy. I didn't dodge any of your questions because a cure for aids is irrelevant to a transgender conversation. Now answer my question, why do you think you know more about transgenderism than the American Psychological association? They don't define it as a mental disorder.
But let's take this to a more person level. You're black. There was a time in history when your colour was considered less. Now there were people who stood up for your rights. And now you have every right that a white person does. So why is a transgender person less because they identify as an opposite gender?
Blindsurferbecause i didn't choose to make my skin dark, and neither did any other black people on the entire planet. it is a choice to get breast implants or start taking wack hormone medication or get your genitals mutilated. you're still an idiot bro. i'd also try to embarrass you by posting some silly pic from social media, but realistically you're ugly so i don't want to put in that much effort.
californiagrownCuriously, why is it against your morals?
The.Natty.VeganYou're still ignoring my post about how you apparently know more about transgenderism being a mental disorder than the american psychological association.
But now I know you're a troll from your other thread. So congratulations on being the world's worst troll. No one has lost their temper, nor has anyone really even taken you seriously. But if you're not a troll, I feel sorry for you. I feel sorry that you are so held onto your prejudices that you refuse to acknowledge other people's opinions. (including that of medical professionals). I feel sorry that you judge someone based on something so trivial as them identifying as the opposite gender. And i feel sorry that your life is filled with hate. You are going to have a very sad existence and when you finally reach an age at where people judge you by your character instead of whether or not you can take a sick shirtless selfie you are going to be alone. And if you choose to surround yourself with hate then you're going to be depressed for your whole life. So for the sake of your future, your own health and happiness I suggest being a little more open minded and not holding onto your prejudices so much. Go out and live a little, meet some trans people and you will realise that they are some of the most amazing people you will meet.
gnar_whalHonestly, for me at least it's not really "against my morals" as it is for some people. It's more that I believe in a traditional relationship between a man and a woman.
Blindsurfer
californiagrownWhy is that the only acceptable relationship in your eyes? Why are the other types unacceptable?
Youre saying that folks need to subscribe to your brand of sexuality, or they are not deserving of the same rights? How would you like it if you were only allowed to marry dudes?
Blindsurfer