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GoreTex vs. Other Three Layer Jackets

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Skroob
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Bought a Saga 3L jacket for Baker and still am soaked on the constant. Is GoreTex Pro 3Lany better or just more expensive and still unable to handle the scuba sessions? Have always loved Saga and am on my 2nd jacket, however, open to anything that will keep me dry.
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Zypher
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From my experience, GORE-TEX is worth the extra money. I have a GORE-TEX pair of gloves and pants and couldn't be happier and dryer. Definitely worth the heftier price tag.
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Olive_Panther
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Take a look at Virtika pants super warm and waterproof from my experience!
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Skroob
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Olive_PantherTake a look at Virtika pants super warm and waterproof from my experience!


I'm from Maine and I agree it can get wet there but not the same deal as the PNW. anybody with experience in both Virtika and Saga? Also if you are reading this Saga what are the chances that we will see a GoreTex Pro jacket out of you?
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tomPietrowski
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You do not necessarily have to go to goretex. I have had good experiences with Helly Tech and Salomon's membrane which I forget the name of. Not all 20K jackets are created equal unfortunately but in general spending more will result in a better product. Goretex is certainly excellent but not without its disadvantages either. Its not the lightest and it can also be a little more restrictive then other membranes.

What base layer and mid layers were you wearing with the saga?

This may be of interest
https://www.newschoolers.com/news/read/The-Ultimate-Guide-Layering-ft-2016-Helly-Hansen-Ullr-Outerwear
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Olive_Panther
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EggsOverSteezyI'm from Maine and I agree it can get wet there but not the same deal as the PNW. anybody with experience in both Virtika and Saga? Also if you are reading this Saga what are the chances that we will see a GoreTex Pro jacket out of you?

I'm from maine as well home mountain is sunday river!
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Skroob
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tomPietrowskiYou do not necessarily have to go to goretex. I have had good experiences with Helly Tech and Salomon's membrane which I forget the name of. Not all 20K jackets are created equal unfortunately but in general spending more will result in a better product. Goretex is certainly excellent but not without its disadvantages either. Its not the lightest and it can also be a little more restrictive then other membranes.

What base layer and mid layers were you wearing with the saga?

This may be of interest
https://www.newschoolers.com/news/read/The-Ultimate-Guide-Layering-ft-2016-Helly-Hansen-Ullr-Outerwear


For the most part I wear either a polyester or wool tech shirt as a base layer and sometimes a light fleece as a mid layer (it is not cold in WA). Helly Hansen is an interesting suggestion as I have heard they make nice stuff. Are you talking about their PVC coated workwear or their technical outerwear?
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tomPietrowski
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EggsOverSteezyFor the most part I wear either a polyester or wool tech shirt as a base layer and sometimes a light fleece as a mid layer (it is not cold in WA). Helly Hansen is an interesting suggestion as I have heard they make nice stuff. Are you talking about their PVC coated workwear or their technical outerwear?


Check the link that is a review of their newest high end freeride outerwear
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OregonDead
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EggsOverSteezyFor the most part I wear either a polyester or wool tech shirt as a base layer and sometimes a light fleece as a mid layer (it is not cold in WA). Helly Hansen is an interesting suggestion as I have heard they make nice stuff. Are you talking about their PVC coated workwear or their technical outerwear?


Pretty sure Tom was talking about the Tec gear. In the north west a PVC or rubber type coat isn't a bad idea to throw in the car. Shit is not going to breath but if you are going to take a few laps in a real rainstorm you'll probably soak through anything that isn't a real raincoat. I got a Homeschool jacket last spring and so far the waterproofing is awesome. Still planning to bring extra jacket(s) and towels in the car for really wet days though.
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JibbaTheHutt
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tomPietrowskiGoretex is certainly excellent but not without its disadvantages either. Its not the lightest and it can also be a little more restrictive then other membranes.


To be honest weight isn't exactly an issue if you're riding mostly park. As for restrictiveness I can't say I've noticed a huge difference between goretex pro and similar products.
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tomPietrowski
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It is heavier then some of the newer membranes used today. Not a lot but certainly if you compare it to some of the newest touring outerwear it's quite significant.

Restrictive ve was perhaps not the right word but goretex does not have a lot of give. You won't find much stretch which especially when your moving a lot can give a slightly restrictive feel.

have ve a quick look at the review to take. Look at what Helly do an salomon are doin the same with motion fit. The atomic outerwear also used a similar approach.
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tomPietrowski
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Fair enough. Goretex is certainly great but in my opinion not nesacarilly the best for all users And own brand membranes should not just be discounted because they are not goretex.
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tomPietrowski
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yeah that is very true and for sure will help if your buying blind. The controls gore put in place certainly do help guarantee the product you're getting hopefully should be up to the task.
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dbchili
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I wear gore tex orage JP pants with a saga 3l jacket. On the really wet days in the alps my jacket soaks through before my pants.

That being said, I still wouldn't recommend the orage pants, the waterproofing is good but the quality overall isn't great, lots of freying on the threads, and the pockets are not well thought out
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