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eheathI'm embarrassed trump is an american and its appalling hes getting any support.
In swing states he has a very high disaproval rating. Something like 80% or something. However, he is the highest for republican voters, but that doesn't really matter because republicans are going to vote republican no matter what. So they're opinion doesn't mean anything.
cool_nameYa the guy is only worth several billion, what does he know
So far, what he does claim to know is how to flip flop like crazy and be a racist. Also, being rich doesn't equate to possessing working knowledge of how to run a country. If that's your argument for why Donald Trump should be a proper presidential candidate, then I really don't think you understand the point of having a democratic government.
The Republican party is just a shambles. American politics in general is a giant circus and a complete joke (the entire system is at this point, I think, unsalvageable) but the GOP is on entirely another level. It's just embarrassing.
onenerdykidSo far, what he does claim to know is how to flip flop like crazy and be a racist. Also, being rich doesn't equate to possessing working knowledge of how to run a country. If that's your argument for why Donald Trump should be a proper presidential candidate, then I really don't think you understand the point of having a democratic government.
Being that rich in every way does equate to at the very least knowing how to balance a budget and cut redundant costs, which is a huge part of running a country. You can have all the noble ends you want, but without the means, ie money in the budget, it doesn't mean anything in the real world.
ndyeAnd this mindset ladies and gentleman, is why Trump may very well win the primary for the GOP.
That and because all press is good press. Not saying that is how a presidential campaign should be run in an ideal world, but there definitely is truth to that saying and nobody else has been getting as much press
cool_nameBeing that rich in every way does equate to at the very least knowing how to balance a budget and cut redundant costs, which is a huge part of running a country. You can have all the noble ends you want, but without the means, ie money in the budget, it doesn't mean anything in the real world.
Trump, the man who inherited a shit ton of money and a business from his father, who made his wealth using generous government financing programs, and since then has had his companies declare bankruptcy many times.
But please, continue believing Trump is a good option for president.
cool_nameBeing that rich in every way does equate to at the very least knowing how to balance a budget and cut redundant costs, which is a huge part of running a country. You can have all the noble ends you want, but without the means, ie money in the budget, it doesn't mean anything in the real world.
But would you rank that quality absolutely first? If that were necessarily true, the best presidents would be accountants and history has not shown that. Maybe in a Plutocracy or Oligarchy, but there are other more important things above that on the "necessary qualities one must have to be president" list.
ndyeAnd this mindset ladies and gentleman, is why Trump may very well win the primary for the GOP.
cool_nameThat and because all press is good press. Not saying that is how a presidential campaign should be run in an ideal world, but there definitely is truth to that saying and nobody else has been getting as much press
Let me clarify a bit, anyone believing Donald Trump is a good option for president, is misinformed and has no idea who Donald Trump is or how the government or for that matter the world works.
So, Donald Trump could very well win the GOP, a party where a large portion of the members, have no idea how the government or the world work, but really enjoy listening to white men bully others.
That last post was a bit aggressive, there are a lot of intelligent republicans, just not the ones who think Trump would be a good president. It scares me how large a percentage that is.
cool_nameBeing that rich in every way does equate to at the very least knowing how to balance a budget and cut redundant costs, which is a huge part of running a country. You can have all the noble ends you want, but without the means, ie money in the budget, it doesn't mean anything in the real world.
I beg to differ. The current Australian treasurer Joe Hockey was like Trump except not as rich and all that shit. And under him being treasurer of Australia the budget has blown out by 47 billion dollars over 4 years under the Abbot government.
Being a buisness man does not equate to knowing how to ballance a budget. Bill Clinton wasn't a buisness man but he managed to ballance the budget.
S.J.WI beg to differ. The current Australian treasurer Joe Hockey was like Trump except not as rich and all that shit. And under him being treasurer of Australia the budget has blown out by 47 billion dollars over 4 years under the Abbot government.
Being a buisness man does not equate to knowing how to ballance a budget. Bill Clinton wasn't a buisness man but he managed to ballance the budget.
Australian treasurer=/=President of the United States
S.J.WIn swing states he has a very high disaproval rating. Something like 80% or something. However, he is the highest for republican voters, but that doesn't really matter because republicans are going to vote republican no matter what. So they're opinion doesn't mean anything.
The best part is that he will no doubt attract the vast majority of the ignorant mouth-breathing republican demographic, and that will hamstring any "legitimate" (lol) republican candidate as there simply aren't enough moderate republicans left over to do anything. He just belts out the hilarious stereotype battle cry like nobody else and I fucking love it. Like moths to a flame- and although he is a massive embarrassment to educated and well-adjusted people everywhere it just has to be said that his extremism, brashness and ego-centrism is literally the best thing that could have ever happened to this race. He will literally destroy the Republican party from within. It's as if he took the torch Fox was carrying and set fire to the building they were all living in together.
Three cheers to Donald Trump for doing us all a solid with this book deal/presidential race.
I do understand (and hope) that people can change their minds for the better when presented with new and better information as time goes on. Which is why I generally don't like it when people say "oh, he's a flip flopper" and then condemn said person for changing his/her mind. (you can still disagree with someone's opinion, just not solely because they changed their mind).
With Trump though, it just seems so weird to have mega passionate opinions at one point, and then completely flip 180° once the political climate is convenient for it.
It doesn't matter if you can govern, all that matters is if you can fundraise. Get those big donors to dump millions into your super PAC and say what they tell you. Works every time.
I find it funny how many people believe Trump's greatest feature is that he isn't afraid to speak his mind and doesn't give in to anyone. He's certainly not the only one who does that and there are democrats who do the same.
Wouldn't it make more sense to be in favor of someone who's opinions change as they become more educated, rather than someone who sticks to their offensive, moronic views....? Of course, someone who has kept to their educated views from the start would be ideal.... *cough* Bernie *cough*
Big_SpenceAustralian treasurer=/=President of the United States
Well considering people think Trump will magically ballance the budget because he's a buisness man. I was just showing that being a buisness man doesn't automatically make you a magican at ballancing the budget.
cool_nameYa the guy is only worth several billion, what does he know
Lol I dnt he the same dude who went bankrupt multiple times and complains about jobs being outsourced to China...but his whole clothing line is made in China..
shin-bangBruh you don't even have 100 posts. See here on ns once you break 100 your comments Will actually be taken seriously
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shinbang is wrong here Mr. whichway. Allow me to welcome you to the conversations of NS. Nice to see new members getting involved. Plus you're around 69 posts right now and thats legit.
The Revolt Against the Ruling Class
"He can't possibly win the nomination," is the phrase heard most often when Washington insiders mention either Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders.
Yet as enthusiasm for the bombastic billionaire and the socialist senior continues to build within each party, the political establishment is mystified.
Political insiders don't see that the biggest political phenomenon in America today is a revolt against the "ruling class" of insiders that have dominated Washington for more than three decades.
In two very different ways, Trump and Sanders are agents of this revolt. I'll explain the two ways in a moment.
Don't confuse this for the public's typical attraction to candidates posing as political outsiders who'll clean up the mess, even when they're really insiders who contributed to the mess.
What's new is the degree of anger now focused on those who have had power over our economic and political system since the start of the 1980s.
Included are presidents and congressional leaders from both parties, along with their retinues of policy advisors, political strategists, and spin-doctors.
Most have remained in Washington even when not in power, as lobbyists, campaign consultants, go-to lawyers, financial bundlers, and power brokers.
The other half of the ruling class comprises the corporate executives, Wall Street chiefs, and multi-millionaires who have assisted and enabled these political leaders – and for whom the politicians have provided political favors in return.
America has long had a ruling class but the public was willing to tolerate it during the three decades after World War II, when prosperity was widely shared and when the Soviet Union posed a palpable threat. Then, the ruling class seemed benevolent and wise.
Yet in the last three decades – when almost all the nation's economic gains have gone to the top while the wages of most people have gone nowhere – the ruling class has seemed to pad its own pockets at the expense of the rest of America.
We've witnessed self-dealing on a monumental scale – starting with the junk-bond takeovers of the 1980s, followed by the Savings and Loan crisis, the corporate scandals of the early 2000s (Enron, Adelphia, Global Crossing, Tyco, Worldcom), and culminating in the near meltdown of Wall Street in 2008 and the taxpayer-financed bailout.
Along the way, millions of Americans lost their jobs their savings, and their homes.
Meanwhile, the Supreme Court has opened the floodgates to big money in politics wider than ever. Taxes have been cut on top incomes, tax loopholes widened, government debt has grown, public services have been cut. And not a single Wall Street executive has gone to jail.
The game seems rigged – riddled with abuses of power, crony capitalism, and corporate welfare.
In 1964, Americans agreed by 64% to 29% that government was run for the benefit of all the people. By 2012, the response had reversed, with voters saying by 79% to 19% that government was "run by a few big interests looking after themselves."
Which has made it harder for ordinary people to get ahead. In 2001 a Gallup poll found 77 percent of Americans satisfied with opportunities to get ahead by working hard and 22 percent dissatisfied. By 2014, only 54 percent were satisfied and 45 percent dissatisfied.
The resulting fury at ruling class has taken two quite different forms.
On the right are the wreckers. The Tea Party, which emerged soon after the Wall Street bailout, has been intent on stopping government in its tracks and overthrowing a ruling class it sees as rotten to the core.
Its Republican protégés in Congress and state legislatures have attacked the Republican establishment. And they've wielded the wrecking balls of government shutdowns, threats to default on public debt, gerrymandering, voter suppression through strict ID laws, and outright appeals to racism.
Donald Trump is their human wrecking ball. The more outrageous his rants and putdowns of other politicians, the more popular he becomes among this segment of the public that's thrilled by a bombastic, racist, billionaire who sticks it to the ruling class.
On the left are the rebuilders. The Occupy movement, which also emerged from the Wall Street bailout, was intent on displacing the ruling class and rebuilding our political-economic system from the ground up.
Occupy didn't last but it put inequality on map. And the sentiments that fueled Occupy are still boiling.
Bernie Sanders personifies them. The more he advocates a fundamental retooling of our economy and democracy in favor of average working people, the more popular he becomes among those who no longer trust the ruling class to bring about necessary change.
Yet despite the growing revolt against the ruling class, it seems likely that the nominees in 2016 will be Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton. After all, the ruling class still controls America.
But the revolt against the ruling class won't end with the 2016 election, regardless.
Which means the ruling class will have to change the way it rules America. Or it won't rule too much longer.
S.J.WIn swing states he has a very high disaproval rating. Something like 80% or something. However, he is the highest for republican voters, but that doesn't really matter because republicans are going to vote republican no matter what. So they're opinion doesn't mean anything.
And democrats are going to vote democrat no matter what.
