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Killer's execution takes almost 25 mins

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UncleGerry
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I know this is a little morbid but it got me thinking about the whole death penalty argument and who deserves what. This dude raped and stabbed to death a pregnant newly wed back in 1989. In my opinion, he got off easy with that horrible death that he had. I think people like that should be killed like this anyway. Society needs a deterrent from this sort of behavior and setting examples is one of the only profound ways to stop fucked up behavior. Just my two cents.


Anyone see Law Abiding Citizen? Kinda reminded me of that movie.
Jan 16 2014 11:49PM
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corona
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just curious, is there any proof that harsher penalties reduce crime rates?

I'm just thinking of countries that have very lenient penalties for crimes and how they're all very low crime countries compared to the countries with very harsh penalties. although you could say they have lenient penalties because of the low crime rate. chicken, meet egg.
Jan 16 2014 11:53PM
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UncleGerry
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I dunno if it would reduce them exponentially but I'm sure it would at least put a dent in the crime rate.
Jan 16 2014 11:54PM
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SFB
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no.
Jan 16 2014 11:55PM
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ZeMagnificentKev
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There's proof that it pretty much does jack shit in reducing crime.
Jan 16 2014 11:59PM
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-PoonHammer-
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>intravenous doses of two drugs, the sedative midazolam and the painkiller hydromorphone.

No expert here, but wouldn't this be one of the most serene ways to die? Like, cause you to just nod off into permanent sleep? What happened to the electric chair, or the trusty gallows? Jesus, the way we treat scum...

>McGuire's family said it plans to sue the state over what happened.
>"All citizens have a right to expect that they will not be treated or punished in a cruel and unusual way," defense lawyer Jon Paul Rion said.

Social justice at its finest

>"Oh, my God," his daughter, Amber McGuire, said as she WATCHED HIS FINAL MOMENTS.

Are you fucking serious?
Jan 17 2014 12:04AM
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Willgum
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Not surprising to me, especially in crimes that stem from mental instability or poverty. The pedophile raping kids isnt gonna be deterred by the consequences, same with the guy robbing a store for rent money. But we need penalties like this for justice, if nothing else
Jan 17 2014 12:07AM
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acc
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He got to choose his dinner, call whom he wanted & write letters to whom he wanted. That's way more than the victim and the unborn child got. I'm glad he suffered.
Jan 17 2014 12:09AM
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Willgum
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haha really, how about citizens have the right to expect they wont be stabbed along with their unborn child. Fuck these scumbags
Jan 17 2014 12:09AM
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-PoonHammer-
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I find it funny that I've heard people talk about how the U.S. was founded on Hammurabi's Code and the whole "eye for an eye, leg for a leg" idea. I mean, maybe 200 years ago that would've held true, but these days, God forbid we kill a killer, right? Wait, am I still allowed to say "God"? Or will that offend someone, too?
Jan 17 2014 12:16AM
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MACAQUE
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Who's ever said that?
Jan 17 2014 12:18AM
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cydwhit
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Interesting slightly relevant fact: My civics teacher always used to emphasize the fact that it was cruel AND unusual punishment, not or. She used to say that this means that the government can get creative with their punishment as long as it is not cruel and that they can assign cruel punishments as long as they are pretty standard.
Jan 17 2014 12:36AM
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-PoonHammer-
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Nobody whose statement would hold any weight, honestly
Jan 17 2014 12:37AM
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Dustin.
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That's kind of a Simpleton's approach to the concept. It's not quite so clear cut as that and there probably isn't sick and malicious intent behind it as you are alluding to.
Jan 17 2014 12:44AM
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Darth.Maul
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I wouldnt mind bringing back gallows, the electric chair, or simply a firing line.

3 very cheap ways and ranging from semi effective to super effective to end the life of a murderer.

I still think we should fly our prisoners on deathrow to an active lava lake and drop them in the lava but thats just me...
Jan 17 2014 12:58AM
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Jeebus.
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Sounds like that scene from the green mile.
Jan 17 2014 1:08AM
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Wallisch_pl
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I don't know why you guys think that torture is a good penalty/why you would ever think it could be implemented in the US. Since absolutely no one can be so sure of what happens after death, why not let him rot in a jail cell for 50+ years, it doesn't matter what crime it is, waiting in a jail cell your whole life is easily the best punishment. Not to mention how Medieval torture is, you want to go back to public hangings too? I realize where you're coming from, but in the end, it was just 25 minutes of him feeling terrible pain, and then he just felt bliss. Rather him feeling pain for 50+ years, then feeling bliss.
Jan 17 2014 1:40AM
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chicken
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fuck the death penalty. the guy did a fucked up and terrible thing. like a quarter century ago. why the fuck would you kill someone 25 years after they did something wrong. it's just as fucked up as the original crime IMO.
Jan 17 2014 2:48AM
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chicken
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and the time is a bit irrelevant, if I made it seem like the issue was how long it has been. the death sentence is NEVER acceptable.
Jan 17 2014 2:49AM
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ChillTeenDad420
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the fuck? hydromorphone and a sedative? this dude had the chillest high as he died, nodding off in a peaceful oblivion! fuckhead got off easy. he died floating on a cloud of opiates. if his family gets one cent that would be a god damn travesty of justice.
Jan 17 2014 3:19AM
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JeremyClarkson
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An opiate overdose is far from a comfortable death. In fact, its probably one of the most painful ways to go out.

With that said, this guy got everything he deserved, and I wish all cold blooded murderer's could die in agonizing pain. I say give them the same exact death that their victim suffered, in this guys case, he should have been sodomized and stabbed until he bled out for justice to be truly served.....in my opinion at least.
Jan 17 2014 4:36AM
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Bombogenesis
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Too bad it didn't take longer
Jan 17 2014 6:59AM
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Jane6
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I just think its fucked how a state participates in actively killing its own members.
Jan 17 2014 7:09AM
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Bombogenesis
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Yeah seriously the guy like didn't even do anything wrong.
Jan 17 2014 7:13AM
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Jane6
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Flawless logic, bruh.

Im not saying that what he did isnt wrong, but killing people in the name of justice just seems absurd.
Jan 17 2014 7:19AM
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louie.mirags
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If if can be proved 100% I say kill em. However, nothing is 100% and I can't agree with killing 1 innocent guy every 100 bad guys. What if you're the one mistake because you're getting framed? (pseudo - science but gets point across)
Jan 17 2014 7:29AM
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bfulmer
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Yeah? What if this pig raped and then brutally murdered your pregnant mother, sister, daughter, cousin, niece or whatever. I bet if this happened to someone in your family, you'd feel a little differently.

I think they should have strapped the guy down, given the woman's fiance a blow torch and a baseball bat, and locked em' in a room together.


Jan 17 2014 8:21AM
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ABalls
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Usually criminals commit crimes for recognition. I think the best way to get rid of them is just drag them out to a field and blow their brains out. They don't deserve the attention.
Jan 17 2014 8:28AM
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Huck_Norris
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I honestly don't care if it makes me a shitty person, but this is exactly how I feel. We care way too much about murderers' rights. People who rape, murder and otherwise prey on innocents should die in horrible ways as a fucking rule. I'm talking feet-first wood chippers, wild animal maulings, maybe a slow sink cage drowning and perhaps even getting stuck in a barrel with a dozen broken growlers and rolled down a huge hill. Y'know, something exotic and fucked up that strikes fear into the hearts of murderous rapist shitbags everywhere.
Jan 17 2014 8:44AM
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Ski_the_east01
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Great movie. I love what gerard butlers character did to the guy in the chair. Might be my favorite scene

It's insane that people feel bad for this guy. HE BRUTALLY MURDERED A WOMAN AND HER UNBORN CHILD. He was lucky the state ended his miserable fucking existence. If it was up to me he would be living in a box too short to stand up in and too short to lie down in for eternity
Jan 17 2014 8:48AM
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JAHBRADOR
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kinky
Jan 17 2014 9:03AM
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feihlination
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what most people kinda forget is the paradox of using penalties as a deterrent. its like criminal X gets punished harder for the POTENTIAL/FUTURE ACTIONS of others.

that seems ethically unsound.


i would argue that the death penalty is just not something a civilized country should use, but as long as its only used for murder, i think its really a tough debate.
Jan 17 2014 9:04AM
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theBearJew
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I love the death penalty. Kill em all. My problem lies in the justice system where you have people who aren't guilty and have a bad lawyer getting death penalty and people who are CLEARLY guilty but have a good lawyer get off scott free.
Jan 17 2014 9:08AM
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UncleGerry
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Amen
Jan 17 2014 9:17AM
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Barefootin_Fiend
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what? where on earth did you hear that?
Jan 17 2014 9:34AM
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Yaraelpoof.png
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Am i the only one who feels bad for his daughter?
Jan 17 2014 9:42AM
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Benson.
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I wish the state wouldn't take so fucking long either. If you're gonna wait 25 years to execute the guy, just don't even fucking kill him at all. At that point, the families/victims have moved on and it's just redundant.
Jan 17 2014 9:47AM
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Willgum
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Yeah judging from your name you probably wanted a turn with her too.




Was that too much
Jan 17 2014 9:50AM
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UncleGerry
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K.

Lets have him do that to a loved one close to you and see how you feel. You fucking idiot hippy.
Jan 17 2014 9:52AM
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Ski_the_east01
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I understand your point, but how would it be better for him to stay in jail and exist off the tax payers teet for the next few decades? Also, the reason it takes this damn long is the convoluted judicial system....

I would love to see the brilliant ideas all these bleeding hearts have to properly punish these murderers, rapists and child abusers
Jan 17 2014 9:53AM
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UncleGerry
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I think the pain/agony/terror that the poor woman that he raped and stabbed to death was a lot more than the 25 minutes of drug-induced death that he received.


Like I said, I bet even the most anti-capital punishment people would change their minds drastically if a situation ever hit home to them.
Jan 17 2014 9:54AM
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Ski_Alot
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I'm going to be honest, the death penalty is wrong. It lets wrongly convicted people suffer the worst possible situation, and gives many correctly convicted people get exactly what they want. Plus, it is just so immoral to give a killer the exact same punishment that they themselves commited.
Jan 17 2014 10:05AM
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feihlination
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a state is not an emotional being and its good that way.


this is not an argument at all. yes, if someone does unthinkable things to my gf, brother or whatever close person, obviously i would rage the fuck out. but that doesnt mean that its right. a law system and any argument about it should be free of some "emotional" thing you try to stir up.

a state has to hold principles, or otherwise it suffers and makes itself vulnerable. thats why you dont negotiate with terrorists (in the meaning that you give them what they want), thats why you dont torture and kill prisoners (sigh...) as a civilized state. thats why prisons shouldnt be utter fuckholes. i know its kinda fucked, but seriously, you dont want to live in a country that does the opposite.

Jan 17 2014 10:15AM
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Balto
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I feel like these chemicals are more expensive then just taking the dirtbag out back and putting a bullet in his head, seems logical.
Jan 17 2014 10:25AM
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RubberSoul
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yeah from what i know, this dude was not having a bad time. im pretty sure he got super high off basically a xanax and OCish combo, and died of respiratory depression. the sounds they heard from him were pretty much snoring, no?


anyway, i don't know if i'm against the death penalty in and of itself, but i don't think i trust the ass clowns that comprise the police and judicial system with that power (not saying the majority is like that but too many horror stories of those retards messing things up due to ulterior motives and/or incompetence)
Jan 17 2014 10:32AM
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Bombogenesis
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Yeah id rather pay for him to live comfortably in prison for a few decades
Jan 17 2014 10:32AM
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Wallisch_pl
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nigga
Jan 17 2014 10:45AM
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-Alpha2-
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this.

access to free education too, life in prison, lets get some PHD's, what a joke. death penalty should be mandatory
Jan 17 2014 10:58AM
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smooter
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But does two wrongs make a right?
Jan 17 2014 11:06AM
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Benson.
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It wouldn't be better, I was just pissing and moaning. I don't want them to live in prison on my dime either, but taking a quarter of a century to kill the guy is pants-on-head retarded. There should be no "Death Row". If they get convicted and sentenced to death, let them have a few appeals, and then kill them a couple months later. Not years later.

Also totally agree on that bleeding heart horseshit.
Jan 17 2014 11:12AM
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Ski_the_east01
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Yeha I remember reading somewhere most death row prisoners spend an average of more than 10 years on death row. This is due to two usually lengthy trials (one for guilt, one for punishment). Followed by the obviously very long appeals process. Since it is a matter of life and death the appeals process is veryyyyy lengthy
Jan 17 2014 11:19AM
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