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Dub flat 14 from Mr. Carlson!

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jca
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very cahj

Mar 15 2013 8:26PM
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BASEDRILEY
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I am still VERY certain it is a 1440 can some one tell sammy to get in here and verify.




Mar 16 2013 1:40AM
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p-fo
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I would like to call attention to this post right here. I think John Kutcher probably knows what he is talking about. Also, I found this video of Henrik actually doing a dub flat/bio 14 at (I think) Frostgun last year:
Mar 16 2013 1:41AM
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BASEDRILEY
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Just because he is pro dont mean hes right. Look at my video it should show its a 14 very well
Mar 16 2013 1:44AM
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john7elway
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I think you need to go back to elementary school and learn how to count? Im not sure how you got 540 degrees from two flat 3s
Mar 16 2013 1:44AM
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john7elway
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540 degrees for EACH flat 3. a flat 3 is 360 degrees of rotation, not 540.
Mar 16 2013 1:45AM
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BASEDRILEY
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he is facing backwards and has done one full flip that makes 540. The 180 degrees of spin and the 360 degrees of flip. That how you count flat spins the flip is part of the spin.
Mar 16 2013 1:49AM
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jca
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na his 720 title is just a little bit early.

i think the bulk of the confusion is coming from the fact that he isnt fully flipping the second rotation so people arent counting the flip as a 360s as they should.
Mar 16 2013 1:49AM
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john7elway
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how fucking high are you?
Mar 16 2013 1:50AM
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jca
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that looks similar to me... just it's a more consistent spin rotation rather than sammy's flip and a half to spinnerama.
Mar 16 2013 1:50AM
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eheath
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quoting for emphasis
Mar 16 2013 1:53AM
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BASEDRILEY
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not at all
Mar 16 2013 1:53AM
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eheath
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They're just trolling. There is no way someone could actually look at that slow motion video and somehow count 4 spins. He flips twice, spins once, its blatantly a 1080.
Mar 16 2013 1:56AM
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BASEDRILEY
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i really think its a 14. But i dont care any more at this point . you can all think its a 10 i can think its a 14. Im not going to debate this with people i dont know on the internet anymore. We have differing opinions. It is what it is.
Mar 16 2013 2:00AM
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backwardsrider
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looks 14 to these eyes
Mar 16 2013 2:01AM
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eheath
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I really think you're trolling, no one is this stupid.
Mar 16 2013 2:03AM
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rsvp
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also quoting for emphasis
Mar 16 2013 2:05AM
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BASEDRILEY
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IM not saying im 100% correct but i think its 14.
Mar 16 2013 2:06AM
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PhilboydStudge
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Click for larger image
Mar 16 2013 2:06AM
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eheath
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And i am 100% positive you're trolling.
Mar 16 2013 2:08AM
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BASEDRILEY
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Im not.
Mar 16 2013 2:09AM
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BASEDRILEY
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or am i?
Mar 16 2013 2:10AM
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RudyGarmisch
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I'mma go out on a limb here to administer some truth, but correct me if I'm wrong.


I see two different tricks in the video. The first is a double flat ten, the second is the shadows and against the sun (which makes it hard to see for sure) is a double flat 14.

Before we go any further, I know the double 14 call will be questionable - check out how quick Sammy spins the first 3 after the takeoff, hes basically already 180 in terms of body position the instant hes off the snow. Count in slow mo and tell me I'm wrong.



The argument you are all having over the first trick is really negated once you count how many times the riders face orients in the direction of travel - how many times does he/she face forward? Look at a flat or rodeo 7 - its twice. First trick in the video, count em. Second trick, again, hard to see, count em.



Double make my head hurt. When you get to crazy rotations like this, there really are a few different ways to throw a "double flat 10", as Sammy demonstrates here - Double flat 9 to 180 is one way, other people throw them by doing back to back true flat 5's. Style has always differentiated tricks (Tanner threw different switch rodeo 7's than others even back in the day) but double like the first trick really illustrate how useless it may be to ascribe generic names to these maneuvers. Might Olsson have been on to something by naming the specific double variations he threw by specific names (kangaroo flip, tornado, hex flip)?
Mar 16 2013 2:11AM
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eheath
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The second trick is definitely a double CORK 14, he clearly does a cork 7 to delayed/hucked cork 7, which is why it looks a little odd. I agree with the rest of your post but someone would have to be a complete idiot to think the first trick is a 14 and dudes in here are trolling so I sure hope kids dont actually think that first trick was a 14.
Mar 16 2013 2:27AM
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RudyGarmisch
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Agreed. Its a sick shot but I cant for the life of me easily tell wtf is going on.
Mar 16 2013 2:31AM
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zbphoto
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This, we really need Sammy to comment.
Mar 16 2013 2:33AM
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eheath
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No we don't, stop feeding the trolls.

The first trick is a dub flat 10 the second trick is a dub cork 14. /thread
Mar 16 2013 2:33AM
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jake_tom_sully
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this. no one is this dumb. can't believe this thread has had this many posts. its not even debatable yet its some how being debated. leave it to ns to have the DUMBEST conversation in skiing
Mar 16 2013 4:01AM
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jake_tom_sully
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http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_loyroqK31t1qgyjneo1_500.gif
Mar 16 2013 4:04AM
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jake_tom_sully
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^oops ignore
Mar 16 2013 4:16AM
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Downtofilm
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I see where this dude is coming from, Im not sure though.
Mar 16 2013 4:19AM
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ScottyN
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im really sorry, you got it all right up until the point where you said "then he does a 540", it just isnt watch it, dub flat 9, then kicks out and 180's on the end. please pull your self together.
Mar 16 2013 6:13AM
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willysworld
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Its a kangaroo flip 10... or the equivilent of a double B/s Rodeo 10 on a snowboard but on skis... but what was that 2nd trick ,, double cork 14 "?
Mar 16 2013 6:33AM
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willysworld
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its a 10 dip shit
Mar 16 2013 6:35AM
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Xanderpe
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lol some real doctor shit goin on here
Mar 16 2013 6:35AM
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Ksteez666
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i see were theyre getting that extra 360 from, idk why they think its a extra 360 there but its definitely not
Mar 16 2013 10:41AM
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SSteezle
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the first part of that trick is a flat 3, not sure where you got a 7 from
Mar 16 2013 10:48AM
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frogz
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do you really think those were stylish?
Mar 16 2013 11:42AM
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90053
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lol
Mar 16 2013 11:50AM
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ski0
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This thread is actually awesome haha. The people that think its a 14 are are counting flat 3s as 5s and 7s because they are "flipping" and "spinning" at the same time. Which is just stupid and clearly doesnt make sense. Both of their videos are clearly way off. regadless i find the whole thing very amusing.
Mar 16 2013 12:39PM
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90053
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yeh so it's 14 right?
Mar 16 2013 12:52PM
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ski0
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ya
Mar 16 2013 12:59PM
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Drail
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Jeff, I didn't take you as a troll. Sorry to break it to you, but it's a 10.

Shitty conditions down your way getting to your head? Some beers and a day at Phoenix should cure what ails you.
Mar 16 2013 1:01PM
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NEGRO_CYCLOPS
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I challenge the OP and everyone else who thinks it's a 14 to define a flat 3 and a flat 5.
Mar 16 2013 1:11PM
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ONTerriible
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Quality thread from the member of the month.

I'm seeing a 10. It's weird but that's what it is.
Mar 16 2013 2:43PM
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ILLinoisance
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Are you really going to argue that 0:10-0:14 of the video is a 720?

canttelliftrollorjuststupid.jpg
Mar 16 2013 2:48PM
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faux_real
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If you watch it in reverse while listening to Dark Side of the Moon, it really brings out the 4th rotation.
Mar 16 2013 2:49PM
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danbrown
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ayo still a ten tho lol
Mar 16 2013 2:57PM
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tdollo
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AYO BITCH MOTHER FUCKER ITS A 1080 CUZ HE DO A DUB FLAT 9 THEN A 180 SO THE MATH MAKES IT A 1080 OK BYE.
Mar 16 2013 8:44PM
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bkelly
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dub flat 10 to dub cork 14.

 He also does a dub flat 10 to close out his real ski part

check it

http://xgames.espn.go.com/events/2013/tignes/real/match/9043875/sammy-carlson-vs-sean-pettit

#votesammy
Mar 16 2013 8:55PM
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DIX~
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This thread rustles my jimmies so fucking hard. You moronic little shit troll fuckers saying it's a 14 deserve to have their balls twisted around three full times and then when they try to tell me it was 4 times give 'em another full twist to see what they say. The people posting vids should be banned for eternity and forced to retake grade 2 math. Downright idiocy
Mar 16 2013 9:00PM
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