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Shit's getting intense in Israel

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AviadIL
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well some of you may have heard the IDF is currently attacking Gaza, and because mainstream media would not display a whole picture, i've decided to enlighten some things.

About 2 weeks ago, Hammas and other terrorist groups decided to check (again) how tolerant Israel would be with them firing rockets and heavy mortar shells on israeli town and cities. It started out as up to 10 rockets and shells per day, and increased every day just "a bit" more (believe me, i've been to places where it happened, these booms are not just "a bit")
During the last week, 25+ rockets and mortar shells were shot every single day- the trigger for the israeli attack.
on wednesday afternoon, the first attack was preformed- attacking very accurately the head of Hammas armed forces (Not a military chief as mainstream media said, he was the head of a TERROR GROUP) and started attacking places where rockets were hidden in.

Over 300 rockets have been launched towards Israel in the past 48 hours. Including 2 rockets to Tel-Aviv area (2nd largest city in Israel, biggest metropolis in Israel). I had a call last night telling me to stay available on phone because I might get called up for reserve service.

Just thought I should share this, because wars are crap and mainstream media portray them however they feel like..

Nov 16 2012 3:17AM
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shibby
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of course not all arab states. but man if that isn't the perfect example a a stupidly biased video i dont know what is. and guess where he got it from, facebook. omg #KONY2012
Nov 18 2012 1:44AM
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PacificRimJob
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That video by that prager guy.. yeah.. how bout fuck that bullshit.

Prager is a conservative jewish guy and is a staunch supporter of Israel. Of course he's going to represent Israel as this tiny little place of good jewish stuff, and the muslim world around them just wants complete death to Israel... as if Israel has done nothing bad ever ever ever...

Just putting that star of david on their flag is about as upsetting to those around it (and within it) as Pakistan putting the crescent on theirs would be to any Hindus that ended up within their borders when the British packed up and peaced out.

You could point the finger at imperialism, sure... but imagine it like this.

Take Yugoslavia for example.. a place that was super ethnically diverse. They had a large muslim population... what if they had enough muslims in power that they put up the crescent moon on their flag? What if it was the opposite and it focused on the christians.


I feel like the biggest issue with Israel is that it's a jewish state... as in 'muslims, go away' or.. 'go to your own corner'. I think the Muslim states next door are being hypocritical as fuck, but there enlies the issue. It comes down mostly to the muslim world, jewish world, christian world and any other world bitching about religious power overall to control their moral ideas of 'law'




...meanwhile in the USA, many claim our president is a Kenyan Muslim... Meanwhile Kenya is more Christian than the USA by percentage. Fucking hell man.
Nov 18 2012 2:23AM
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Laurent.
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You can't clearcut say one or the other, it depends so much over there, some people are fanatic about it and some don't care.

This is from a children's geography book:

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It really depends on who you speak to over there.
Nov 18 2012 2:27AM
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deleted5
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all the Arab country's surrounding Israel don't that's what he said. i do not understand what you are trying to say.
Nov 18 2012 2:28AM
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shibby
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what i'm trying to say is that israel has official signed recognition/peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan the two countries it shares most of its borders with and other states have defactor recognition. also pointing out how fucking stupid it is that that kid posted that video as if it were gospel, same type bullshit as kony
Nov 18 2012 2:37AM
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ShreddAZ
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Are you kidding abut us having the strongest military?
Nov 18 2012 2:40AM
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shibby
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i visited last spring, highly recommend (bosnia especially for the history)
Nov 18 2012 2:40AM
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liftedresearcher
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Threads like these are where you figure out who has a head on their shoulders and who is a complete fucking retard.


Nov 18 2012 2:49AM
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PeppermillReno
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I am not anti semetic at all and my previous posts have been empathetic towards Isreal but this is 100% correct.
Nov 18 2012 2:59AM
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deleted5
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really they killed 6mill people
Nov 18 2012 3:00AM
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PacificRimJob
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and that's exactly why Israel is a shitshow. You know what percentage of Arabs make up Israel? 20%. Then on top of that, there are 5 million Mizrahi Jews.. who descend mostly from places like Syria and Iraq. They're basically Arab. THEN on top of that, Israel has a massive immigrant population as well, Has ever since the 20's came along and the zionist movements caught some wind in their sails. It also has large minorities of Maronite christians and Druze. Tons of African immigrant. It's a massively diverse amount of people, and a shitload of what are basically ethnic arabs of different faiths.

Hebrew and Arabic are both the official languages of the land. Most signs in the country are in both languages.

but Yugoslavia was able to exist as a state without much war, because they layed down some groundrules and stuck to them. Am I saying Israel should have a dictator-based strong-man system? No... but laying down rules that adhere to mostly judeo principles is not going to work for many muslims.

It's an Abrahamic faith crossroads of stone chucking, and it's never going to be a peaceful location as long as each faith feels it needs to control it completely.




and back to that whole autonomous thing... that area has been a crossroads of trade in the region for millennia. Everyone has had a stake in it, and everyone has a claim to it. Nobody really has a true claim, no matter what historical 'autonomy' you can cherrypick for it... go back 800 years before christ rolled into town on an ass, and the immediate area was made up of about 12 different 'autonomous' kingdoms. Only one of which was 'Israel', and it didn't even control the area around Jerusalem (that was the Kingdom of Judah - which I don't give a fuck, was under entirely different rule, no matter whether it was Jewish or not)

And this was all before Judaism was really a unified faith. It was totally different from one village to the next in a lot of places...


Nov 18 2012 3:15AM
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PeppermillReno
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The pattern of expansion/oppression and such mirrors that event and other episodes of militant oppressive regimes.

The Jews/Isrealis could have learned tolerance from what happened in the 30s/40s. Clearly they have not. Furthermore Palestine lost its country because England decided to give Jewish a country in colony it was planning on vacating.

(Great Britain lost WWII all the other buttfucking countrys came out better off than GB Germany got rebuilt Japan flourished USSR got more terrority than it could imagine and USA entered Pax Americana in the 50s but the only country with the fucking balls to stand up to Hitler lost everything couldn't afford its colonies and growing up my Dad remembered rationing lasting until around 1960. Every other country emerged from WWII better off than Britain who are the fucking reason most of this planet doesn't speak German.)

Isreal clearly wasn't happy with Britain giving them a country...it wasn't enough was it....didn't want to practice understanding and acceptance after the episodes in Germany now did they? No they wanted more land from the country which wasn't theirs to begin with and given to them by Britain...and counter terrorism by behaving like terrorists themselves.
Nov 18 2012 3:20AM
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deleted5
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Nov 18 2012 3:25AM
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Darth.Maul
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This exactly.

Please please tell me that you don't believe that the Jews shouldve learned "tolerance" in the 30's/40's
Nov 18 2012 3:32AM
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californiagrown
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is that a serious question? its not even remotely close
Nov 18 2012 3:35AM
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AviadIL
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I sure do hope you were kidding..
if you weren't-obviously you don't know shit about the history of Israel.

Nov 18 2012 7:17AM
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Peach.
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The Jews should have learned tolerance in the 30's and 40's. Are you fucking kidding me? A lot of time in threads like these I think people who know nothing about the topic come in and bullshit for a paragraph or two just so they can look like the big boys.
Nov 18 2012 10:38AM
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Barefootin_Fiend
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I think he's joking. He has to be.
Nov 18 2012 11:04AM
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Peach.
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I sincerely hope so.
Nov 18 2012 12:00PM
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Mitt_Romney
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Suck my dick faggot
Nov 18 2012 5:30PM
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Barefootin_Fiend
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i remember a time when this would actually get you banned. it seems that the mods are becoming much more lax with "nigger", "faggot", etc., which is really too bad.
Nov 18 2012 5:36PM
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deleted5
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o hi i think you lost a bet please log in and change your name.
Nov 18 2012 5:41PM
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oakskier
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lol. You dont think the U.S has the strongest military. You are dumb. What other countries military can even compare to the U.S military? No one else is even in the same class as their military. If you say china, then im going to laugh very hard
Nov 18 2012 5:49PM
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PJS.
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I hope not, because we do. It's bloated and inefficient, but goddamn right it's the strongest. That's not even a MURICA post, it's solid fact.
Nov 18 2012 6:04PM
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.frenchy
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Haha what???? When I joined you could say both those words without ANY consequences.... Then they got strict, now they're more lenient.
Nov 18 2012 6:10PM
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.frenchy
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Oh and people saying the US Military is not the best

I'm laughing at you.
Nov 18 2012 6:17PM
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Peach.
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Mods used to be wayyy more strict.
Nov 18 2012 6:19PM
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oakskier
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Exactly. It doesn't matter how big your army is if you dont have the capabilities to keep them in the field. Having the largest army these days doesnt matter as much these days. What matters is how capable the fight units are in the army, and since no other army in world has nearly as much modern combat experience. Also having more aircraft carriers than the rest of the world combined also helps

Nov 18 2012 6:21PM
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californiagrown
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their top military technology is stuff we had in the 60's.


They have a shit navy, decent airforce that has only the capacity to defend the homeland, and they have no ability to wage war thats not close to their country.

its just not close.

the area where we crush the rest of the world, sans russia, is with our ohio class nuclear subs, and aircraft carriers. Theose two weapon systems are stupid powerful strategically.
Nov 18 2012 6:25PM
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roor
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That's not the strongest millitary NATO is which basically sucks merica dick
Nov 18 2012 6:28PM
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oakskier
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Murica is pretty much nato. There is no NATO with out america
Nov 18 2012 6:47PM
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PacificRimJob
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Fuck moving it over land... they REALLY can't do DICK at sea... and that's why THE UNITED STATES HAS THE STRONGEST MILITARY ANYWHERE... BECAUSE THEY OWN THE OCEAN.

Fuck the whole 'who has the strongest army/airforce' debate... no other country holds a finger to the USA when it comes to naval superiority, and being able to strategically place floating airfields with some of the most advanced avionics on the planet on deck, right up anyone's asshole. really, only the UK, USA, and France have abilities to run any portion of the sea. That's why the UK was able to even wage war in the Falklands.

This is why the UK became a world power. They controlled the seas for years.

For the same reason, whoever had the strongest navy in the aegean sea, ruled Greece and west Asia Minor...

And it's why Napoleon couldn't take over earth, he focused too much on the ground game...

The Chinese won't have blue-water capability for another decade at minimum, due to the sheer fact that they don't have the infrastructure or real reasoning to prop up a blue water navy out of nowhere. They haven't had a spur in the hide like the USA or UK did when they were threatened by Japan and Spain, respectively, to prop up their naval powers, so it will be interesting to see what they ultimately do.

They claim they aren't seeking any real overseas operations, however, and will use any power they may gain as a defensive force. Basically, they are Pre-WW2 America, right now, as they can go isolationist, keep their forces at home, and just build shit for the rest of the world. Eventually I have a feeling the USA is going to become the new UK though, if any future conventional war comes into play, or the Chinese just feel like building some military toys


in closing, Israel might have the most battle hardened air force on the planet, and China/North Korea might have some of the most ridiculously large armies..

But the USA has what... 11 carrier strike GROUPS? with a grip of reserve carriers in Bremerton, San Diego, Norfolk, Portsmouth, and other places, that are ready to be quick retrofitted within 90-120 days? Comparatively, The UK has 3 carriers that are about half the size of a Nimitz class, and the French Charles De Gaulle is the only carrier in the Marine Nationale (albeit, it's capabilities are fucking legit, as it can launch rafales, and it's just like the USS Enterprise, but with a bunch of hilarious issues, like propellers breaking at sea and crap)

sidenote: If the french ever build another heap of carriers, they should name them after the badasses in their history... like Richelou, Joan of Arc, Robespierre, Napoleon, and Lafayette lol. That will teach silly americans how to talk shit!

I mean.. Gerald R. Ford class vs Robespierre class? holy fuck, you know who wins that badass-title battle lol.
Nov 19 2012 2:41PM
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PacificRimJob
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Lol, I'm so weird. I get uber fucking pumped up by the thought of badass war machines, so I go and write up a page of content like that, yet I'm a total pacifist anti-war hippie the rest of the time.

Whatever. Anchors away, bitch.
Nov 19 2012 2:43PM
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Jblz
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Nov 19 2012 2:46PM
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andrew.ski
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Poland got off way worse - just saying, my aunts and uncles has rationing till wałęsa took a stand in '89, but love for the Brits!

You wanna hear something messed up. Poland has never been invited to any celebrations/parades/commemorations concerning the allied victory in WWII. Thanks to either France or Russia, Poland has had to act as if they don't exist.
Nov 19 2012 3:41PM
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JaphyRyder
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I understand you're kidding, but you have to be one of the most ignorant, insensitive kids on this site. You probably have no idea what is actually going on with this situation, and yet feel the need to make brilliant comments like this. I get that you're not serious, but you also don't really understand what you're implying, and you sound like a fucking prick. Just stop.
Nov 19 2012 3:54PM
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jeR.
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wow. calling mizrahi jews arab is akin to calling the irish people english. what do you mean by this. jews are jews. they are all of mixed background anyways. I am ashkenazi but yes i do have Middle Eastern background. where did you learn contemporary history? calling yugoslavia a model for anything? really? where do you think the term balkanization came from. look it up. yugoslavia failed because it was built up of incredibly divisive ethnic minorities. doomed to fail. yugoslavia was not peaceful, 'just because it laid down some ground rules and stuck to them' is an absolutely outrageous claim. they were oppressed.
the Kingdom of Judah split off from the Kingdom of Israel, though they were also perpetually at war much like the situation today. To the next point, it is silly to cherrypick history. that is a Zionist argument. as you say to base a historical right to the land of israel equating Israelis with Zionism is like calling all americans Christian Evangelicals just because there is a certain faction of society and thus the political process that holds these ideals. Israelis fall as far along the political spectrum as americans. This is about home, and country. 75% of Israelis are Sabras, or Israeli born. they live in Israel, their parents lived in israel, they served in the army for israel, went to school in israel, even their grandparents lived in israel. it is their home as much as the palestinians. no credible person looks to a historical, 'biblical claim' on the land in modern foreign policy circles. it is moot. that is the same ethical dilemma as America existing on native american land. we went to school here, lived here, our parents lived here so we feel like it is our home as much as the native americans do. obviously the british mandate was an absolute failure of state creation. this is why there are problems now. pointing the finger solely at israel is a severely flawed and one-sided point of view to take on such a complex and evolving issue. both sides have done wrong, and both sides have innocent people. israel has a right to exist as a state, and palestine does too. victimizing and demonizing both sides only deepens the divide.
Nov 19 2012 4:34PM
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Chinchi
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I might be a little late here, but is it just me or does CNN hate Israel?
Nov 19 2012 4:37PM
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just to beat the dead horse of the US not having the strongest military.
Nov 19 2012 4:41PM
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*SID*
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Im going to Istanbul im April, I heard a missile struck there
Nov 19 2012 4:43PM
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562056961108
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'MERICA FUCK YEA!

But seriously though, this is the prime example of peace via the threat of overwhelming military superiority. Love peace? build big ships.

Yee haw
Nov 19 2012 4:56PM
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deleted5
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cry about it, and while you're at it kill yourself, but first rape your sister. you'er really going to call me out when a kid on the same page said the Jews should have learned there lesson from the 30/40's.
Nov 19 2012 5:21PM
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Black.Bird
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That's way off.. Are you sure? Istanbul is in eastern turkey, almost in Greece... Their missiles cant be that powerful
Nov 19 2012 5:34PM
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mattytru
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death toll is up to 105 palestinians, still 3 israelis.
Nov 19 2012 5:34PM
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Blurst
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You can bet china has a few of those as well.
Nov 19 2012 5:36PM
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Wallisch_pl
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oh my god, getting really scared now



http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1771472/pg1





Well they showed me the future in 10 years time - well flashes of it so I'm not exactly sure of the exact timelines.

The world is at War (not surprisingly). There isn't exactly a New World Order but the world is split into 4 sectors -

1)The European Sector which is headed by the Royal Family of UK. The Vatican and half of Italy is practically destroyed through some event..
2) The Asian Sector constituting of China, India, Indonesia, and other Asian Countries. Japan is half submerged after the catastrophic earthquakes and megatsunami.
3) The North and South America Sector. America is practically battle torn and the west coast is completely destroyed from some mega event..
4) Independent countries are Australia, New Zealand, a couple fo small islands and Switzerland.

Most of the Oil Multinationals are during there last dying stages.

Starships were moving around the sky, I think they might be aliens or human, not quite sure...


Oh and also, the Archons told me to expect something "Big" playing out in Israel this year in 2012.

They didn't seem to mention a war with Iran this year..
Nov 19 2012 5:42PM
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PacificRimJob
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Yeah, and you know how similar Irish people are to English? Outside of religon, they're the fucking same god damn thing for the most part. Both ethnicities have been intermingling since the region was populated and they figured out how to send a boat across... The amount of Irish/English/Scottish, whatever is all a total mixture of Anglo/Saxon/Nordic/Norman/Celtic/Hibernian/whateverthefuck. It's a melting pot, and saying it isn't is a joke. It's like saying I'm American, and therefore i'm so damn different than somebody in the UK or Ireland, just because my anscestors came over on a boat a hundred years ago. I still speak the same language (basically), have the same colour(see?) skin, and I live more/less the same way. It's not like comparing someone from the Brazillian rainforest to somebody from Kanagawa Prefecture Japan... lol.

My point is, this comes down less to ethnicities and more to religion, that's pretty much my whole point, and I'm sorry I bounced around so much. There are innocents who really don't care about their differences on both sides of the table, whether it be Muslims or Jews, or Druze, or Christians living wherever they do in the area.

And... sure, I cherrypicked history, but do you seriously want me to write a full essay? I have time to waste, but I don't care THAAT much lol. If folks want to wikipedia it, and do research to do their own opinion, rock on. I just want people to be more informed is all - I'm not claiming expertise... but the amount of ignorance is a shitshow.



Nov 19 2012 5:43PM
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corona
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this is dead wrong. not arguing against US's military might, but this is just wrong.

there are only 21 active aircraft carriers in the world. US has 11 of them.

Nov 19 2012 6:01PM
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corona
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yea the numbers are

US: 11
China: 1
Russia: 1
UK: 1
France: 1
Italy: 2
Brazil: 1
Thailand: 1
India: 1
Spain: 1
Nov 19 2012 6:05PM
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PJS.
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I have the weirdest boner now that we're talking about American naval superiority.


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Nov 19 2012 6:06PM
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