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Calling All Atheists

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Olimar
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***First off I just want to say im not trying to start a shit storm by any means although unfortunately, one is most likely imminent.

I just have a quick question for you. I'm a practicing Catholic. That being said, Im not some radical, fundamentalist that tries to shove religion or God down peoples throats. Please re-read that last statement before you try to post some smart comment. But any way, Im NOT a creationist. I believe in evolution and the big bang theory simply because evolution has been proven and the big bang theory is the most plausible explanation for how our universe came to exist. But my question for all the atheists that dont believe in any god at all, is how did that hot, microscopic ball of gasses and other matter come about? Once again, im just curious to hear how atheists explain this or if the majority of them believe in a different theory of how the universe first came about. Im not trying to push religion on any one.
Nov 15 2012 6:30PM
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roddy116
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exactly creationism, you are "explicitly" stating that you are not taking a side for either one and yet you are fighting for evolution and the big bang theory, so again by normal logic either you are for creationism (which you are not) or you are stupid (which you are). and also the fact that time just began when the big bang theory is impossible to tell, and most likely absolute bullshit because time was always there, it never began and never stopped. it just was.
Nov 18 2012 11:55AM
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Bill.Nye
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You're conflating "creationism" as the belief that god created the universe with "young earth creationism" which is the belief that god created the earth within the last 10k years and that humans were created separately from all other animals and are not related. These are totally different things. Young earth creationism denies a myriad of scientific evidence, and therefore I can safely say it is wrong. However if someone believes that god created the universe with the big bang and then guided evolution so that humans would eventually result, I can't prove that wrong, all I can say is that it hasn't been proven right and there's no evidence for it. That's why it's important to define your terms, these are very different beliefs.

"and also the fact that time just began when the big bang theory is impossible to tell"

That's........actually exactly what I just said. Current models of physics break down at 10^-43 seconds after the big bang. Before that we have no way (yet) to model what happened because our current understanding of causality breaks down because the density is too great.

"most likely absolute bullshit because time was always there, it never began and never stopped. it just was."

That was an awesome assertion, it'd be nice if you at least tried to actually demonstrate it. If time is simply an absolute that is unchangeable and fixed, how do you explain phenomenon like time dilation due to relative velocity or gravitational pull?
Nov 18 2012 12:07PM
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roddy116
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fine how about this, time is a theory created by humans to help people keep track of the way things change like the earth or the sun in the sky, it irrelevant to space and the beginning of the universe.
Nov 18 2012 12:19PM
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Bill.Nye
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So if it is a theory that only exists to keep track of how things change, how could it apply in a period when causality broke down because of intense density? Also, if you are correct that it is "irrelevant to space" I would encourage you to prove that, because there is a Nobel in it for you.
Nov 18 2012 12:26PM
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Bogs
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it's okay to struggle with the concept of "nothing," everyone does.
Nov 18 2012 12:27PM
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roddy116
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how, it is and it isnt, space can be in and out of time because of wormholes and light. you can "potentially" time travel if you hit the speed of light, you are out of time or going slower than actual time because it moves at a slower pace. the thing with your argument is you are arguing everything works the way earth does, which may or may not be true, again we dont know it is very possible it does and very possible it does not.
Nov 18 2012 12:33PM
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Bill.Nye
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Please expand on this.
Nov 18 2012 12:37PM
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roddy116
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reference my post
Nov 18 2012 12:38PM
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Bill.Nye
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Please expand on this.
Nov 18 2012 12:45PM
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Bill.Nye
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Because we can see it. Light that travels all the way across the universe behaves the same way light on earth does, there's no need for us to simply assume this, we've observed it.
Nov 18 2012 12:47PM
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roddy116
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wormholes they "warp" time or potentially allow a person to warp through time, like time travel.
Nov 18 2012 12:53PM
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Bill.Nye
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What does that have to do with space being "in or out of time?"

The reason that those things are possible is that space and time are actually one thing, called spacetime.
Nov 18 2012 12:55PM
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roddy116
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and it warps the normal space-time, so it goes out of time
Nov 18 2012 1:01PM
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deleted5
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You seem to be an expert on quantum physics and I'm being very sarcastic when I say that.
Nov 18 2012 1:06PM
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TheClap.
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so pro
Nov 18 2012 1:07PM
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Bill.Nye
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I'm still not convinced that you're doing anything more than throwing out words but let's ignore that and I'll just ask, what does any of this have to do with god?
Nov 18 2012 1:11PM
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roddy116
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absolutely nothing.
Nov 18 2012 1:12PM
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El_Barto.
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lol
Nov 18 2012 1:12PM
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king.tubby
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if smugness were money, atheists would be ballin. im just saying.
Nov 18 2012 11:45PM
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Edew19
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what you've just said ... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Nov 18 2012 11:59PM
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NW_Rider
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I would just like to give you an award for your patience and resolve to get people to look past their own cognitive dissonance. Not a single person you are debating has cited a single fact. All they have done is referenced the bible or tried to knock down science for admitting that it does not know some things.

That is the whole point with science, it doesn't claim to know what it cannot support with fact based, peer reviewed study.
Nov 19 2012 1:19AM
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cbj
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Tonight on NS... Shitstorm page 6
Nov 19 2012 2:24AM
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Da_Buddha
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Click for larger image
Nov 19 2012 4:01AM
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LIL_WAT
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My thoughts.
Nov 21 2012 2:16AM
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JamieOBalls
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SWAGGER TITS
Nov 21 2012 2:37AM
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ianj
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This.

Look, this is the best way to put it. People have different beliefs, that's the way it is. Personally I do believe in an all powerful God. I'm a Christian and proud of it. I see God in every aspect of my daily life. I feel at peace with who I am and where I am going because of my faith and that's how I base my life. Some don't have the same view as I do. I respect their views, but I disagree with them.

My point is that some beleive, some don't and some don't have a damn clue. But the best thing to do is do some thinking on it, pray, research, do whatever. But find what you believe, put your faith in it and live your life.

Nov 21 2012 3:16AM
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squashmosh
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Well said sir.
Nov 21 2012 7:14AM
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YoungDaysMedia
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so much win
Nov 21 2012 7:48AM
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Bill.Nye
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The gif is pretty win, but it's usage is odd since it seems to imply that he has said something of substance, which he has failed to do anywhere in this thread (or as far as I can tell, ever).
Nov 21 2012 11:28AM
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HR8938Cephei
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I considered my self an atheist for the longest time, however over time I came across the idea of deism. This resonates better with me because it would seem as if there should be some sort of creation moment of our universe, however I don't think we will ever know exactly how we came about. But since there is this problem of how do we get the universe from nothing I would say that there could be a creator. That being said we are not the apple of it's eye. In fact this creator probably has no clue of our existence, we are so inconsequential on the scale of the cosmos I find it very hard to believe that there is a constant over watching god that created the entire universe just to watch every human being on this small clump of rock and metal and determine what happens to them after they die.
Nov 22 2012 4:35AM
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shreddenator
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Ummmm?

Higgs Boson Particle....!
Nov 22 2012 10:40AM
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roddy116
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we get off track with some stuff but im mainly you because your a hyppocritical asshole who thinks your better then people because of what you believe in.
Nov 22 2012 1:49PM
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squashmosh
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I wish I could unsubscribe to users and never see their drivel anymore like on Facebook. You'd be the first to go.
Nov 22 2012 1:52PM
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Bill.Nye
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No, I'm me, you're roddy.
Nov 22 2012 1:58PM
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roddy116
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that does not change the fact that you are a hypocritical asshole who thinks you are better than someone based on their beliefs.
Nov 22 2012 1:59PM
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foodbuffet11
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I would rather wonder and discover or at least try to discover than believe in fairy tales. I respect peoples beliefs, I just don't have faith and have tried to understand faith but in all honestly i couldn't accept it.

I mean it's a sin to be gay, not that i'm gay but that's ridiculous. And prostitution is accepted in the old testament , well i mean ok. In all honestly, religion is utilized as a control system.
Nov 22 2012 2:01PM
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Bill.Nye
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Where have I been hypocritical?

Asshole I'm ok with
Nov 22 2012 2:02PM
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roddy116
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saying that you respect people for their beliefs, then going out and calling their beliefs stupid.
Nov 22 2012 2:04PM
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Bill.Nye
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Where have I said I respect people for their beliefs? I said they can have whatever beliefs they want, that doesn't mean I respect them. If someone believes that the earth is flat, I don't respect that belief, it's stupid.
Nov 22 2012 2:06PM
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roddy116
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beliefs when it comes to believing in god.
Nov 22 2012 2:06PM
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Bill.Nye
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Where did I say I respected people's beliefs? They can believe in god if they want but that doesn't mean I respect it.
Nov 22 2012 2:09PM
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Spinoza
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What's wrong with thinking you're better than someone because of their beliefs? I'll assume everyone wants to have the best beliefs, so it follows that they believe their beliefs are best. And if having better beliefs makes you better, then that person is better than the person with worse beliefs.
If you don't think you're better than someone because your beliefs are better the wtf are you even doing with your life?
Nov 22 2012 2:09PM
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.AR6rider.
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Completely agree. That kid is mind-bogglingly stupid.
Nov 22 2012 2:10PM
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roddy116
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i never said you had to respect it, now answer me question do you believe you are better than someone if they do not believe what you believe in?
Nov 22 2012 2:15PM
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Bill.Nye
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But now wait a second, how am I being a hypocrite if I never said I respect everyone's beliefs and then I don't respect everyone's beliefs? That sounds very consistent.

Do I believe that "I" am better? Not necessarily, because there are many things that go into the goodness of a person. I do however believe that *the belief* (or lack thereof as is the case with atheism) is better.

Nov 22 2012 2:19PM
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Bill.Nye
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Do you *not* believe that your beliefs are better than the beliefs of others? If you don't, why do you hold those beliefs, and not the better ones? If all beliefs are equally valid, why hold any beliefs at all?
Nov 22 2012 2:20PM
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roddy116
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so you think that christians only view themselves as good people and they think that other can not be good people? if so then you should go learn a little bit more before you start talking about other people religions.
Nov 22 2012 2:22PM
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Bill.Nye
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Did I say anything to that effect? No.

Please try again.
Nov 22 2012 2:23PM
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HWW
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All you madfucks need to stop believing and open YA FUCKING EYES TO REALITY
Nov 22 2012 2:24PM
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roddy116
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and no i do not believe that ones belief's are higher than others, its a persons choice to believe in what they want, and if they dont believe what i believe that is perfectly fine with me, your not gonna hear from me telling people that their choice in what to believe in is not okay. ill sure as hell voice my beliefs if you attack christianity but im not gonna go attack your beliefs.
Nov 22 2012 2:24PM
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