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What should my DIN be?

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jmasterp
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So I'm a ski instructor so I brought my skis to the local shop to get a tune up. When they returned them to me, the DIN was not changed. I got bigger this year and need to know what i should change my DIN to I:
Am an aggressive skier
lap the park nothing big
5'10 165-170
Thanks
Dec 8 2011 6:05PM
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Alkyy
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Im 6ft and 180...Ive blown out both of my knees in different falls.  I have never rocked dins above 10 and have only had 1 real scary pre-release...still wasn't as bad as blowing out my knees...everyone who is 5ft 8 and 130 pounds riding park rocking a fks 18 or anything set around 12,  i feel bad for your knees.  Good luck on that twisting fall that's all so common for park riding when you over rotate a little bit and a release could have saved your season.
Dec 9 2011 4:09PM
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Drail
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yeah, i understand that. i have a story that has to do with this. *i am drunk, so this might not be so grammar proper*

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this picture is from two years ago. I was skiing at Revelstoke during a bad snow cycle. Even though the hill recommended against it, "we" decided to ski to the base anyways during day 1 of our trip - resulting in a nice core shot along the edge.

Not wanting to damage the edge (and not being able to fix the ski at the time), I went out on day 2 on some rental skis. As stated earlier the conditions were shit and I was hungover so there were no plans of doing anything other than groomers. I knew the DIN was low, I think the ski shop put it to 9 as their max, I just never bothered to crank them up...

and that was the third time I cut myself we my ski edge.
Dec 9 2011 4:34PM
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PlaygroundRapist
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I have FKS 18 bindings at like din 16,5

I'm 20, 178 and have legs like a gladiator.
I'm not really worried since I have skied with this setting for the past four years.
Dec 9 2011 4:36PM
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iffe
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All I can say is holy shit.

I weigh a few lbs less than you (about 170) and I set my DIN at 8 on my Look Pivots.
Dec 9 2011 5:28PM
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SteezoSaurus
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This is excessive. All that you are doing is shortening the spring life in the binding which will make for more inconsistent releases down the road.
The highest anyone should go on those is 14 and going any higher is just for penis length compensation.
Dec 9 2011 5:35PM
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PlaygroundRapist
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You got me there.

I geuss I would be fine at 14, but saying 16 feels so nice.
Dec 9 2011 5:45PM
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-ShredTheGnar-
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How can you say 14 is the highest?

Say you are an aggressive skier, and ride big mountain, and your in a super exposed area... The last thing you want is a pre release.

It's for each individual person to work out what works for them.
Dec 10 2011 2:35AM
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californiagrown
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Seth rides at a 14, and Hoji rides at essentially a 12.


Nuff said.
Dec 10 2011 3:01AM
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-ShredTheGnar-
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Oh yer, my bad, I forgot that pros din settings are what everyone should compare to...

Shut up idiot.

Nuff said.
Dec 10 2011 3:07AM
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DR.SHRED
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fackkkkkkk im 145lbs and ride the fks at a 12din am i doing somthing wrong
Dec 10 2011 3:24AM
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phreshpow
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no, the last thing I want is a season ending knee surgery...a pre release I can deal with and if your bindings are adjusted correctly that won't happen
Dec 10 2011 3:45AM
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-ShredTheGnar-
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Ok pre release was the wrong term, but if you are in an exposed area, and clip your ski on a rock under the snow and you ski comes off...

It's worse that a season ending knee surgery...
For example the shop I work at used to do Raphy Gillioz skis, he used to take the spring out the back and put a metal pole in to lock it out.

The whole reason I said anything is because it's such bullshit people post charts and shit about type 1/2/3 skiers. We don't have that in Europe. A din setting is personal to the type of skier you are and is very important to get right.
Dec 10 2011 3:58AM
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iffe
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Are you Seth Morrison?

If not, your DIN is probably way too high.
Dec 10 2011 4:45AM
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*Johnny
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http://www.dinsetting.com/

should go with that !
Dec 10 2011 4:54AM
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Boggs
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I'm 19, 175 and ride at a 10. I bike a whole lot, played hockey for 10 years, and I ski; my legs are much like yours. Holy shit dude, that seems insane...
Dec 10 2011 5:06AM
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PlaygroundRapist
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It is, but otherwise I'm seriously prerealesing.
And I rather fuck up my knee (which hasn't happend yet) then prerelease in between the trees.
Dec 10 2011 6:48AM
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iffe
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Sounds like the DIN setting isn't why you're pre-releasing. Have you checked that you have the correct forward pressure? Are the toes or heels of your boots really worn out?
Dec 10 2011 6:50AM
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PlaygroundRapist
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I've had that on al my skis.
My current quiver consists of four pairs.

two with old look pivots and two with Rossignol FKS.

The looks are setup by a shop in Switzerland and the FKS are setup by a French shop.

I have full tilts that are just one year old, almost no wear on toe or heel piece.



Dec 10 2011 6:55AM
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iffe
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Sorry, I just find it hard to believe that you get pre-release on everything under DIN 16. But then again what you said sounds pretty legit and would indicate that forward pressure or boot wear are not the problem here.

As I said I'm about your weight and set my DIN at 8 or sometimes 9 on my Pivots. Never had pre-release problems.
Dec 10 2011 6:59AM
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PlaygroundRapist
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It's really weird.

I gradually increased my din on the looks (well my shop did) until i wasn't pre releasing no more.
I did the same with the FKS two years later. they both ended up at roughly DIN 16
Dec 10 2011 7:11AM
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-ShredTheGnar-
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I had the same issue with look bindings, I settled at 14.
Slapped some STH16s on the new set up, and they seem to hold at 13.

But have yet to shred anything to serious this season.
Dec 10 2011 7:34AM
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SteezoSaurus
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The FKS always seems to be an exception especially when it comes to DIN settings.
The release characteristics of that particular binding allow the user to minimize the DIN and also decrease the chance of a non release twisting scenario.
DIN has a much smaller effect on the FKS than almost any other binding out there (really due to the turntable). So going with a 16 is quite ridiculous, except in situations like Pettit or Morrison.
Dec 10 2011 9:25AM
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CDdesign
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theres a bunch of Bode Millers on NS, who know

i bet every person who knows their shit is bowing their head in shame after reading this thread.

this is a poor poor representation of skier douches who think they know it all

Dec 10 2011 9:27AM
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SteezoSaurus
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Srsly? You sir, lack intelligence.

Doods like Seth are a perfect example of the absolute extreme that products can be pushed to. He rides wayy bigger shit than any of us sometimes over fatal exposure and I can guarantee in those situations, he cannot have a ski fall off.
So in conclusion....





No,

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Dec 10 2011 9:29AM
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Natebellanger
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haha im 15 and 5'6 and 130 and i ride 8's on griffons
Dec 10 2011 1:21PM
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onenerdykid
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I think there should be a ban on this.

None of you obviously realize the legal jeopardy you are ALL in when you recommend a DIN. If that kid gets hurt and traces his injury back to your recommendations, you can be held liable.

Your personal opinion on DIN is your own and you cannot legally recommend a DIN to someone. Only a certified shop can do this and why the only correct legal answer to give someone is to go back to your shop and have them properly adjusted.

Do not recommend a DIN to anyone. It can be your ass if things go sideways, not the skier.
Dec 10 2011 1:38PM
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PlaygroundRapist
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That doesn't actually count for Europeans (atleast Dutchys)
I've studied law and I'm drunk and I didn't recoomend a setting but you are completly right in what you say and I agree with you. But only U.S. citizens could be held liable.


Or I don't know anymore I'm drunk.
Dec 10 2011 6:44PM
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JakobS
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Reading this thread just make me wanna quit newschoolers, there are far to many retards here than I thought..
Dec 10 2011 7:37PM
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ggfski42
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this thread is sooooooooooooooo fucked.
Dec 11 2011 8:13PM
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ggfski42
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this thread is sooooooooooooooo fucked.
Dec 11 2011 8:13PM
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.Roockley.
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so wait, hang on (not a call out im confused)

i've worked on rental setting skis up for customers for 3 years, i'm not allowed to tell people their recommended DIN setting?
Dec 11 2011 8:27PM
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StReEtPIRATES
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That chart is just stupid, and does not pertain to park/ agressive skiers at all. Apparently i should be riding at six, instead of 14 on fks's.
Dec 11 2011 8:28PM
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Kreech
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Assuming you know how to correctly use the chart, it's intended as a guideline. Obviously if you have your setting based on the chart and you're prereleasing, you wouldn't keep it at the same setting to stay with the chart. That's just what you start with, and then lower or raise the setting in SMALL increments depending on whether you're not releasing or prereleasing. That's what any reasonable person would do. Still don't hold me liable if you snap your knees in half.
Dec 11 2011 10:25PM
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Skiingsnow
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Quoting for emphasis.

i was about to post pretty much this exactly. then i read this comment
pretty much a thread full of kids saying " im so much more badass than the DIN chart! im 10 and ride din 15 coz i can do a 360!"


also im also an instructor am ashamed to see this thread was made by another instructor.
Dec 11 2011 11:02PM
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californiagrown
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what are you talking about? only gapers ride at single digit dins.

the normal rule of thumb is to divide your weight(lbs) by 10, and that is your din.



its full proof i promise.
Dec 11 2011 11:13PM
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rozboon
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A million and twelve. Or shintysix, both are good.

High DIN doesn't = blown ACL. Plenty of new skiers ruin their knees easily with all of 4 DIN on their rental skis, you just have to fall right (or is it wrong? I don't know)

The important thing is to have the CORRECT DIN FOR YOU. This is a DIN setting where your skis come out when you want them to and stay in when you're not holding a surprise yardsale. Obviously the DIN charts rental companies go off (like the one posted above) won't be sufficient for someone riding hard. But they're a good place to work up from, if you find that you're getting pre-release.

But if you have to ask the interwebs what you should set your DIN to, then you should probably get a shop to set it to what their chart says, and leave it there.

Dec 11 2011 11:45PM
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Skiingsnow
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oh shit. did not realise this. have been skiing DIN 9. will re adjust to 16 tomorrow. thanks.
Dec 11 2011 11:52PM
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J.M
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THANK YOU!

i know you are suppose to ski tomorrow, but i would bring it back to the shop.  Its either fix it yourself and go skiing, then fuck up you knee, or bring to the shop and be able to ski the rest of the season.

Dec 11 2011 11:59PM
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californiagrown
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no problem! make sure and spread the knowledge!
Dec 12 2011 12:20AM
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Balto
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Dec 12 2011 12:23AM
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Kreech
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But what if I weigh 400 lbs?
Dec 12 2011 12:37AM
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Skiingsnow
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i heard maker make a comp 40?
or just bolt you boots to your skis?
Dec 12 2011 12:44AM
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phreshpow
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take up sumo wresting instead of skiing
Dec 12 2011 12:58AM
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onenerdykid
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Each binding company has a test you must go through to be properly certified to work on their bindings. If you do not take/pass the tests, you are not supposed to be touching bindings and the shop can be held liable.
Dec 12 2011 6:51AM
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TOAST.
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I have also wondered this recently. Some of the people that work in rental shops I would not trust adjusting bindings.
Dec 12 2011 7:39AM
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.Roockley.
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interesting, i guess the rossignol tech showing us and us doing it in front of him counts?

otherwise that's a bit sketchy
Dec 12 2011 9:26AM
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GayWolf420
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Good god NS is fucking terrible at tech advice.
Dec 12 2011 12:19PM
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RudyGarmisch
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You were taught wrong.
Dec 12 2011 12:21PM
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.nasty
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yeah I see a lot of legit shops display all of their company certs.
Dec 12 2011 12:24PM
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RudyGarmisch
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I agree, but at the same time, people should be able to access the information and do it themselves if they want to take it into their own hands. This is one of the first times I've ever seen a DIN chart posted on here, kinda surprised people don't know about it. I'll bet you a lot of people just "wing" their DIN's after they prerelease once and crank them up, the chart puts some perspective into the force it takes to pop out of a 14 DIN setting - its a ton, even if its mid mark on your Pivot 18's.

Again, I agree totally that the shop you get your stuff mounted at should be the only place to get an official DIN setting. Instead of DIN settings being shrouded in mystery though, because people DO fuck around with them, the information does need to be posted, with huge disclaimers about doing any of this shit yourself. I'd really argue that it'll save more people that it will potentially hurt considering what people are riding around with and how little everyone seems to know.

Dec 12 2011 12:30PM
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