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Sexism in contests card played

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.Roockley.
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someone just played the sexism card asking why prize money in a contest for girls is lower than the mens

any of you providing opinions would be greatly appreciated

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May 23 2011 10:43AM
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IanAvery-Leaf
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not as much risk = not as much reward
May 23 2011 10:46AM
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TechnoPotamus
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consumer base for the products is larger among men than women.

in the end that's the only reason anyone is getting paid anyway, because it's a form of endorsement and advertising for the companies involved and getting their products sold. they're not going to be willing to pay as much for a women's event if the market for women buying their stuff isn't as large as the men's market is.
May 23 2011 10:53AM
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jblaski
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Tell Emily to compete in the men's category if she want's to compete for a larger prize. Let me know how well that turns out.
May 23 2011 11:04AM
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jibnut
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Have fun with your hand with that attitude.
May 23 2011 11:06AM
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Ace3+4
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Really?

But yeah it is more of an offer and demand. For example Number of viewers for female halfpipe vs number of viewers for male halfpipe.
May 23 2011 11:08AM
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IanAvery-Leaf
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?

like someone said above, girls should go right ahead and compete against men to get those prizes, but if its girls against girls knuckleing jumps with awkward ungrabbed 7s it doesn't seem fair to write the same size check for them.
May 23 2011 11:10AM
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jibnut
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Yes.

"Not as much at risk"? Meaning women aren't worth that much money because there's nothing to us? Yeah that's rude.
May 23 2011 11:10AM
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IanAvery-Leaf
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no, because the men perform far riskier stunts and therefore desearve more in return
May 23 2011 11:11AM
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Elg
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did you really not understand what he meant by that? really?
May 23 2011 11:13AM
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jibnut
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We might have them, but not all of us are pussies.
May 23 2011 11:14AM
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1337
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brooke I think you mis-understood Ian's comments :\
May 23 2011 11:15AM
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jibnut
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Uh that's definitely the vibe I got from that. Sorry if you didn't know we're actually online and anything can be taken anyway.
May 23 2011 11:16AM
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JCon
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this really isn't that hard to understand...
May 23 2011 11:17AM
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jibnut
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His comment was like 6 words. And that could be taken anyway. It's fucking ridiculous how many of you boys just come to his rescue when these kind of threads pop up. Stop fucking saying girls aren't as good as boys. Treat us like equals. I'm done with that bull shit, I've never been treated as an equal and it pisses me off. Fuck competitions. I love to shred, fuck you for making a big deal out of how girls don't throw down hard. I want to see you shred some of the lines my girls and I have rode in my day, and then sit there and tell me that girls aren't "worth it".
May 23 2011 11:19AM
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Mike-O
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I'm still waiting on Kelly Sildaru, who will push women's skiing more in a few years than all others put together have done in a decade.
May 23 2011 11:24AM
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derpina
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THIS SHIT AGAIN? REALLY?!?! SERIOUSLY?
May 23 2011 11:25AM
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1337
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I'm definitely not saying girls aren't as good as boys! I think you guys charge way hard.
May 23 2011 11:29AM
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dwigt
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can we see some of said shredded lines?
May 23 2011 11:29AM
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Davy.Crockett
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yeah shes basically as good as 70% of female pro skiers these days
May 23 2011 11:30AM
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Mike-O
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YES.

Does the Caps Lock imply that you are infuriated? Or maybe just painfully constipated and typed that in a hurry before releasing the dark dragon from your bowels? Come back when you're done and don't forget to wipe - front to back, no need for yeast infections in this thread.
May 23 2011 11:36AM
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LeoSpaceman
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haha girls should give up this argument. the ultimate dead horse beating.

how about you start doing more grabs than mute and safety, stop linking 360's to 540's, and learn how to do rail tricks. until then you're not going to make as much as guys. and hell, when half of the field is casing the jumps it's not even fun to watch.

how about you girls worry about learning shit instead of making money...after all it IS all about the SKIING. stop being so fucking greedy.
May 23 2011 11:42AM
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jibnut
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Wow this has NOTHING to do with money. At all. That's the OP's deal. It's about us women being treated as equals and not judged. If a chick can go all day without complaining once about not being cold, then you should be STOKED. If a chick can ride hard and keep up with you, then you should be even more stoked. If a chick is passing you and totally ripping it up, you should be turned on.

Plus for us, it's not about the competition, it's about having fun and doing something we like. That's you boys who want to be competitive. Think about that for a second.
May 23 2011 11:48AM
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AWALLRUS.
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its been said, if the women were good enough to deserve as much as the men, there wouldnt be 2 categories now would there? kelly sildaru will be like 12 and competing with the men, and she will come 5th.
May 23 2011 11:51AM
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.Tom.
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I like the simple Demand and Supply arguement. These contests make their money and set there prize money based on investment from sponsors and advertisement. These sponsors and advertisers decide how much they want to put up depending on how much attention the event will get. Girls aren't doing as big and as entertaining stuff as men, which isn't me having a go at women, it's just where we're at at the moment. Therefore there's more attention for the male competition = greater investment = greater prize money.
Also there is a greater male freestlye skier viewing base, and these guys aren't gunna be interested in what gear a female skier is wearing, so again, more incentive for higher sponsorship on the mens side.
Simplez.
May 23 2011 11:52AM
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fdsa
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Why don't "you and your girls" pull that missive chip off of your shoulder and fashion it into some new sticks for next season instead of spending this much time complaining about sexism?

You complain about sexism CONSTANTLY and your first response to a comment that isn't even negative is to say "have fun getting sex with that attitude." Way to prove that you're ready to do your part to end gender-related "inequality."

This is simple economics. Men pull in more fans, more money, and thus are compensated more generously. If you want to make more money as a woman, then blame your side of the sport for having a PR problem, because at the end of the day, that's what's up. If you want to make the same money as the boys, pull in the same number of fans, sell the same number of products.
May 23 2011 11:53AM
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hanksy
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You will never get it. You want us to treat you as an equal, but we should be stoked (in CAPS) whenever you don't complain about the cold. WTF?
May 23 2011 11:54AM
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fdsa
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*make the same money as a man
May 23 2011 11:55AM
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KravtZ
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how can you even argue a point about being treated and judged as equals...its so obious how shitty the women pros are today its beyond pathetic. Women today are throwing 3's, 5's, 7's some times a 9 in there run today with no doubles. That is not even a good run for an amatuer dude. Women need to sack up and just get fucking better before they make mor emoney.
May 23 2011 11:55AM
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jibnut
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Yeah, exactly. I was talking about the girls who you boys bring up to the mountain because you want to teach them how to ski, and then when that girl starts to progress. It's all about progress for women's sports. For us who already shred, you guys should be stoked that we've already got to that place and are having fun.
Like I said, it's not about the competition for us, it's about having fun. It's really all you dudes that care about the competition, not us. I've seen girls be excited because they want to enter a comp or whatever, but if they loose they don't care and if they win they are stoked, but really it doesn't matter. It's the progression and the riding that gets the girls stoked.
May 23 2011 11:58AM
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jibnut
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No one gives a shit about the money, dude.
May 23 2011 11:58AM
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RudyGarmisch
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I do, I have a minimum salary requirement for any girl to get a date with me. Its part of my first date long form, on sheet B2.
May 23 2011 12:00PM
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twix_182
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if you really wanna see the equality come into play. Just have all men and women compete together, and then see where the woman athletes scores compare to the mens. I can pretty safely say, based on what i've seen from the top female riders, that they are gonna get NO money.
May 23 2011 12:01PM
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.Tom.
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Ok so the money isn't the problem for you. Can you lay down just what the problem you see between male and female freestyle skiing is then? Because I can't see anything that hasn't already been explained in this thread.
May 23 2011 12:02PM
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StevenR
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If I guy does this, he's just not a pussy.

But if a girl does this people should be stoked?

I don't necessarily disagree with your main point, but you may want to rethink that particular part of your argument. You claim to want equal rights and treatment, but then you go and say that girls should be treated differently for doing the same things that guys do.
May 23 2011 12:03PM
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hanksy
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You are all over the place dude. I'm sorry that this is a sensitive issue for girls and I understand. I, and the majority of the other guys out there, aren't out there ridiculing girls all the time. And I don't think any guy has ever been butt hurt about girls progressing.
May 23 2011 12:04PM
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jibnut
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Nothing! I don't really care if a dude or another chick is better than me. But it's when guys start saying that "oh we're so much better than women at all the things in the universe, and that's why women don't get paid as much...". Get over yourselves! Chicks are out there to shred and have fun (for the millionth time), you guys should get a clue and ride with us. I've had some of the BEST days with just girls. Seriously, this shouldn't be an issue. Once your balls all drop, you'll understand.
May 23 2011 12:05PM
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.Roockley.
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i'm not hating on women skiing, just how some girls (snowboarder in this case) think they should be treated as equal even though they aren't on the same level as guys

they may put the same effort in but it's just not economically viable to increase prize money
May 23 2011 12:07PM
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wait.what
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Groceries for the kitchen are cheaper than takeout for a man..?
May 23 2011 12:08PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Brook is right though, why do you even care? If they're able to argue their case and get more money for comp results, good for them, I dont see how this (or contests in general) effect my love for the sport.
May 23 2011 12:09PM
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fdsa
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You really need to just stop.

You assume none of us ride with you. I haven't ridden a day of the past 3 seasons without at least 1 girl in my crew.

Your arguments have about as much structure and logical flow as a bowl of noodles.

You conclude a post about sexism by saying that as soon as we acquire certain sex-linked traits that we will magically understand???

GTFO.

You are the one perpetuating ALL of the issues related to sex discrimination in this thread, and I'm willing to wager, in whatever sex-linked discrimination you see in your everyday life on and off the hill.
May 23 2011 12:11PM
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jibnut
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I've snowboarded for 10 years and no new really awesome girls have come in for about 5 of those 10. This was only my second year skiing, and I've only seen a handful of girls on the freestyle skiing board.

Those girls kill it, and even though they aren't out there throwing what you dudes do, they are out there still trying stuff. And I can totally opt for that at my mountain where there are quite a few girl shredders who kill it. You have to think about how us women think vs. you dudes, too. We're a little bit safer and think of consequences more than you guys. It's just our instincts.

All-in-all, I think dudes should just treat women equally on the mountain. It shouldn't really matter because like I said, we're all doing something we love. I've got ridiculed before in real life, who does that? If we make one mistake, we're thrown more into the light then you guys are. It really sucks.
May 23 2011 12:12PM
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jibnut
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I'm sorry who are you? And have you read ANYTHING I've typed?

Also, have you any understanding that this is the internet?
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May 23 2011 12:15PM
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StevenR
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Assholes do that. But its not like every guy just rips on women every time they see them make a mistake. I think your generalizing a bit now. It sucks that that has happened to you, but again, I would say the vast majority ARE stoked to see girls throwing down.
May 23 2011 12:16PM
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seemeski
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Girls can't expect to be treated equally since we're not equal. And how can you say its not about the competition when this thread was created on the basis that a girl wants more prize money for placing in a competition. With you're argument we should all be chomping at the bit to fuck her just because she's not complaining that she's cold. I think it's you that has the sexist problem, you expect girls to be treated like a princess for just strapping in god forbid we have to *gasp* WORK to earn something.
May 23 2011 12:16PM
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1337
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I should have known better :(
May 23 2011 12:17PM
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.Roockley.
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i respect them for riding, just that some of them are a bit stuck up and dont see reasons behind decisions such as prize money etc, if you read some of her points she is being unrealistic
May 23 2011 12:17PM
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wait.what
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I like you be my friend.
May 23 2011 12:22PM
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I_Am_Mod
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she should be thankful that our modern contests are in fact sexist, think back 10years when everyone was equal and women had to compete with men, good luck girls!

and if you're in it for the money, you better quit skiing/boarding and find a real job ....
May 23 2011 12:24PM
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CMYK
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This. You want the cash, compete with the big boys. Simple as that.
May 23 2011 12:27PM
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alex.bgk.
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dont know about that, pretty much my suspicion on all such claims now days..

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