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I know im not the first to think of this, but.....

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MAC.D
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This is along the lines of the question "if a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it then does it make any noise?". So if there is no one in the deep woods then does anything there exist? Stay with me for a moment, basically if there are no living creatures in some section of the woods, then what is there? Nothingness? How can we prove there is something there if no one is there to see it? If you set up a video camera and hit record and walk away, then of course it will film the woods, but if nothing is there to record the woods existence then who says theres anything at all? Maybe just out of sight things just stop and there is nothing, just blankness, emptyness. Maybe when you are walking in the woods alone and you blink, everything dissapears for a second, then you open your eyes and it comes back simply because you are seeing it. Maybe things are only there to be seen and when there is no one there to see them they dont exist.

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Jan 28 2010 6:30PM
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J_BISCHOF
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your high just be quiet.
Jan 28 2010 6:32PM
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yellav
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the tree makes a vibration, not a sound, because there is no ears to hear it.
Jan 28 2010 6:32PM
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Arabian.
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Prove that outside your field of vision, there isn't just blackness behind you.
Jan 28 2010 6:32PM
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yellav
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are
Jan 28 2010 6:32PM
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superpoluha
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this is a bullshit statement, im sick of this. if the fucking tree falls, it falls
Jan 28 2010 6:32PM
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garrett.
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things like that aren't going to change simply because no one is around. If that were the case, things wouldn't just appear when someone walked by and then disappear as soon as they were gone.
Jan 28 2010 6:33PM
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MAC.D
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I dont care about the tree falling and making noise i care about the places we aren't looking and what is there.
Jan 28 2010 6:34PM
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MAC.D
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prove it
Jan 28 2010 6:35PM
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karmagod
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Well it's the same stupid idea so yea...

Philosophy is dumb. Basically you win if you have sound logic. It doesn't matter what's right and wrong.
Jan 28 2010 6:35PM
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superpoluha
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ok, so we cant see haiti, so its not there... come on, lets be real here
Jan 28 2010 6:35PM
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MAC.D
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You missed a big part. Im saying if NOBODY is there. not just you as a single person. Like out in the middle of the desert somewhere.
Jan 28 2010 6:38PM
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prontocuts.com
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FUCK NOT ANOTHER CAT IN THE BOX THREAD JESUS CHRIST MY HEAD CANT HANDLE IT
Jan 28 2010 6:38PM
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Evilchris
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a better question is
" if a tree falls in the woods, will it still get posted on youtube?"
Jan 28 2010 6:46PM
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garrett.
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jesus fuck i hate people like you.
Jan 28 2010 6:47PM
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MAC.D
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Im not trying to be some elitist douche i just want people to discuss
Jan 28 2010 6:51PM
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saranac_tortex
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This is just dumb. The whole cat in the box thing is interesting, but this is dumb. Just because we're not there doesn't mean it disappears.
Jan 28 2010 6:52PM
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Joshua.
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I've thought about this... Then I got a girlfriend. :/
Jan 28 2010 6:53PM
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Ben.
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a mirror
Jan 28 2010 6:56PM
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garrett.
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also, i am not looking at what is  behind me but i know that there isn't just a black space back there because there is lite shining on the wall in front of me, coming from behind me.
Jan 28 2010 6:58PM
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user098123
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It isn't dumb as you might think...while it isn't possible for it to all not be there, it is very similar to Heisenberg's Uncertainty principle of quantum mechanics.

Basically, electrons don't exist until they are observed.  They exist in "probability densities", then as soon as you observe them, they crash in to a singular location.

This "could" be extrapolated to a spec of dirt, or a tree, or whatever, that nothing exists until we actually observe it, that it really just as a "probability" of being there...

Unfortunately that somewhat falls apart when you realize the Uncertainty Principle only really works for electrons and other tiny subatomic particles, and not larger subatomic particles like the nuclei as a whole.  So if we can always tell where a nuclei is, we pretty certainly tell that the tree will always be there.
Jan 28 2010 6:59PM
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Arabian.
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Which reflects your field of vision. How do you know that anything exists outside of your line of sight.
Jan 28 2010 6:59PM
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Ben.
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oh ok. i thought you just meant like literally behind you.
Jan 28 2010 7:01PM
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user098123
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Spectroscopy.
Jan 28 2010 7:04PM
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Totes_Magotes
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it's simple... i guess you could be right, because you can never prove a theory like that... but it's about 99.999999999999999999999999 % accepted that the world is there. so that jsut solves that. i guess you could always take comfort in the fact that you may possibly be right.. even though its a .00000000000000000000000001% chance
Jan 28 2010 7:10PM
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MAC.D
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Other than astronauts in space, nobody ever sees the earth as a whole. I'm not saying that the mass of earth isnt there, I'm saying when nobody is viewing soemthing then it might not look like it would when somebody actually looks at it. But then of course if we were to see something in the form it is when nobody is looking at it then we woiuld be looking at it so it would be normal.
Jan 28 2010 7:14PM
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hellomynameisjef
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go pro mounted backwards. boom
Jan 28 2010 7:54PM
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Mr.Panda
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Is this like that physics thing that you have a box and there is a cat of some type in there it is neither dead or alive until you open the box sort of thing?
Jan 28 2010 7:56PM
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jointman22
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hahahahahahaha are you serious???
Jan 28 2010 7:56PM
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Been.stick
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the atmosphere is what makes noise thats why there is no noise in space number one and number 2 shit is always there hence the name MATTER it dosent fucking go away if were not there
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Jan 28 2010 7:58PM
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JNix.
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prove ANYTHING.. you can't /thread
Jan 28 2010 7:59PM
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.jesus.
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look in a mirror
Jan 28 2010 8:02PM
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skithesprings
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so basically you're just proposing that when you look away from something it changes appearance or just disappears just to fuck with you?

this is a situation where you just have to be logical.
Jan 28 2010 8:04PM
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karmagod
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Well I'm not there and everything that I can hold to be real must be viewable by my own senses. Therefore Haiti is not real.

Go back to Phil 101 and get learned.
Jan 28 2010 8:06PM
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[Dawn
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This is just like my theory.. no one sees the same colors.
Jan 28 2010 8:10PM
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MAC.D
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Im not saying that you dont fucking exist. Read the thread. Im saying things that NOBODY is looking at might not exist. Like the middle of a desert somewhere, where nobody is.
Jan 28 2010 8:12PM
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uni-corn
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If a bear shits in the woods, is The Pope still catholic?
Jan 28 2010 8:13PM
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JNix.
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that's just stupid man. are you a ratard?
Jan 28 2010 8:14PM
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MAC.D
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prove me wrong
Jan 28 2010 8:19PM
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SteezyasPie
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By this theory if I walked around with my eyes closed, forward and backward, I would be able to move around infinitely in any direction, until I happened on other people. Obviously I would end up walking face first into a tree, rock, etc. So you're wrong.
Jan 28 2010 8:20PM
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Ben.
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no. because they can exist. they just also can not exist. there is a possibility of either.
Jan 28 2010 8:21PM
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DirtyDiabetic
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riddle me this...if a man shits and no one is around to smell it, does it still stink?
Jan 28 2010 8:23PM
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MAC.D
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They are physically there but may not be visually there
Jan 28 2010 8:24PM
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Mr.Panda
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Well, technically speaking said person who took the shit is around to smell it so by that logic that concept of yours wouldn't work would it?
Jan 28 2010 8:24PM
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saranac_tortex
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technically no because smell is only a sense that we get when the molecules hit our nose and it produces a 'smell' that our brain recognizes. Without a nose to sense the smell there is no smell
Jan 28 2010 8:25PM
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Jahseph.
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So i was pondering another one of life's questions the day as well. Is there such thing as a vegan that swallows? Just think about it.
Jan 28 2010 8:30PM
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geteducated
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was going to say this.
Jan 28 2010 8:31PM
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blavallee4
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I THOUGHT A THOUGHT

BUT THE THOUGHT I THOUGHT

WASNT THE THOUGHT I THOUGHT I THOUGHT

IF THE THOUGHT I THOUGHT WAS THE THOUGHT I THOUGHT

I WOULDNT OVE THOUGHT SO MUCH

Jan 28 2010 8:32PM
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pondering about all of life's wonders is actually an evoking and thoughtful process.
Jan 28 2010 8:33PM
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karmagod
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And I'm just saying that the only thing that matters is what I can sense. We aren't some interconnected species that can communicate to everyone what we are seeing. Therefore, if I don't sense it, it doesn't exist.

I'll say it again. Go back to Phil 101. You're ideas are shit.
Jan 28 2010 8:34PM
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erikK
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check yarself, might've had some laced weed or something.  ill hand you the gun bitch.
Jan 28 2010 8:37PM
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