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I know im not the first to think of this, but.....

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MAC.D
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This is along the lines of the question "if a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it then does it make any noise?". So if there is no one in the deep woods then does anything there exist? Stay with me for a moment, basically if there are no living creatures in some section of the woods, then what is there? Nothingness? How can we prove there is something there if no one is there to see it? If you set up a video camera and hit record and walk away, then of course it will film the woods, but if nothing is there to record the woods existence then who says theres anything at all? Maybe just out of sight things just stop and there is nothing, just blankness, emptyness. Maybe when you are walking in the woods alone and you blink, everything dissapears for a second, then you open your eyes and it comes back simply because you are seeing it. Maybe things are only there to be seen and when there is no one there to see them they dont exist.

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Jan 28 2010 6:30PM
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MAC.D
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said in the title i know im not the first to think of it, also thats ohmybosh not me
Jan 28 2010 8:42PM
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JNix.
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as i said earlier prove anything. It can't be done. Anything and everything that we perceive is bias. As far as human interpretation we can only prove what we see, but is our vision showing whats real? What is real? As far as we are concerned yes, what we see is real, but is there something greater? It's like time. Time is a human interpretation that we can not prove. Hell we made it up. Everything could have happened and still be happening at once, we just can't perceive it that way. Human perception is it's own kind so who are we to say whats real.
Jan 28 2010 8:43PM
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erikK
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i was being sarcastic. and i know.
Jan 28 2010 8:46PM
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oreopancake.
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haha i actually started a 30 minute debate about this in science last year.
Jan 28 2010 8:53PM
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karmagod
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You should see my thread.
Jan 28 2010 9:03PM
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El_Barto.
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are you implying that forest/woods arent alive?
Jan 28 2010 9:15PM
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MAC.D
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im pretty sure everyone has thought of that
Jan 28 2010 9:16PM
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saranac_tortex
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Exactly what I was thinking. what about all the bugs and other organisms around the world
Jan 28 2010 9:16PM
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MAC.D
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Im saying forrests/woods have no sense of vision
Jan 28 2010 9:21PM
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El_Barto.
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yea, or the trees and other plants themselves. trees and plants often get overlooked but they are the most important biotic organisms on earth. everyday every single person on the face of the earth should have to thank plants for photosynthesis.
Jan 28 2010 9:22PM
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Dr.NS
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If a tree falls on a mime in a forest....





.... does anybody care?
Jan 28 2010 9:25PM
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finder_of_gnomes
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I forget where I heard this but there's some doctor that said that exact same thing, he said its like a figment of imagination that things are still there after we leave because it's a just a memory for you, but for other people there it's still real for them. After that I forgot the rest cause i started questioning if people we're real if they weren't in seeing distance,so.....I don't know if that helped.
Jan 28 2010 9:38PM
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finder_of_gnomes
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no, cause no one heard the mime, and because he was the loner kid in school cause he never talked.
Jan 28 2010 9:51PM
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.newman.
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ur retarded.
Jan 28 2010 9:53PM
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frosted_flakes
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exactly
the seeing it thing is different because it is light bouncing off of matter
Jan 28 2010 10:01PM
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nipples-the-cat
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holy shit.. i really just spent time reading all of this thread, afraid i would miss something...now i have a head ache...

but if a person goes on a baby punching rampage in time square does and REAL person care...?

no because fuck babies.

Jan 29 2010 3:16AM
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NCurry
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You need to watch the Movie "what the bleep do we know" where it somewhat explains how this is 'true' through quantum physics. Its actually a really interesting movie in general.

Jan 29 2010 3:48AM
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MAC.D
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Exactly, and if there are no eyes there to view the light bouncing off this matter...


Jan 29 2010 6:41AM
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CNY~Steeze
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Jan 29 2010 12:45PM
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noname..
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whatttiff everything they taught us was wrong?
Jan 29 2010 1:44PM
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SSteezle
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good shit
Jan 30 2010 10:14AM
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M+M
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your not a philosopher, quit trying...epic fail decartes....
Jan 30 2010 12:11PM
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Stickity
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new question

"If a man says something and a woman isn't around to hear it, is he still wrong?"

this is a question for the ages
Jan 30 2010 1:05PM
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gstaff
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the world is a cube of blankness?
Jan 30 2010 1:39PM
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Mooserz
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This honestly think could work. I knew a kid that was color blind but he went through most of his life not knowing he was. They never had a reason to test him. However, if you pointed to something red, he knew it was red because all his life he was told that shade was red. red, yellow, green are all labels. If I told a kid from birth to the rest of his life that the color white as I know it is actually green. he would know it as green. your red to me could be my green
Jan 30 2010 1:53PM
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drumbumocdp
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hahaha i pondered this for like 3 hours when i was on acid
Jan 30 2010 1:58PM
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iLLbiLLy
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the statement "if a tree....." is a very backward way of looking at the situation.  It's like whenever a small child is playing peakaboo and they link the other person has disspeared when their hands are over there face.  Our nervous system just allows us to obverse the envoirment around us, it doesn't determine it.  And our vision is just one interpritation based on the tiny spetrum of "visible light".  There are so many things out there that we don't see are compleletly obvious to. Our reality is very limited. 

Jan 30 2010 2:27PM
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Mailbox
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If we can see it at one time it is always there. Things don't just go away. I think the better thing is to prove that they go away when no one is looking because if you can't prove that then your "theory" doesn't make sense.
Jan 30 2010 3:02PM
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karmagod
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Sound logic if I ever heard some. Ahahaha
Jan 30 2010 3:07PM
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feihlination
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from what i read here, i guess that this stuff is a little to intellectual for most.

he asks pretty much if our whole world is just a construction from our minds and "reality" is not something we can encounter. furthermore you could argue whether someone IS rich or IS CALLED rich. think of it, its not as stupid as it may sound.

of course, as relativity and most culture-things, you can live without it. but dont flame someone for asking something that is just to complex for you
Jan 30 2010 3:13PM
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theblacktaco
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watcht this video it will prove everthing exist around u at all times
Jan 30 2010 3:42PM
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Negro_Jesus
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tap the back of your head and you know your hand is there
Jan 30 2010 3:45PM
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tommycat
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this thread sucks. go read a philosophy book if you want to get some kicks about trees falling and making noises.


the answer is simple. You're using if, then statements. If A, then B. If a tree falls, then it makes noise. prove that wrong then you've got a case.
Jan 30 2010 5:09PM
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zues
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sure it still makes noise.  just because no one hears it doesn't mean there is no noise.... 
i often think about this stuff when i'm high but its sort of stupid.  

think about something important.
Jan 30 2010 7:51PM
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*steeze_is_good
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Matter can not be created or destroyed.
Jan 30 2010 8:13PM
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Logey.
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dudeee what are you on and where did u get it??
Jan 30 2010 8:17PM
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PeterWojnar
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If a ninja falls in the forest, does it make a sound?



NO! Ninjas don't make a sound, ever! And if you DO hear a ninja, you're probably dead already!



[ /askaninjareference]

What if there isn't anything, and one day someone will make a movie about it. It will be filmed with a green filter, and the only things that will have a color not severely tinted green will be a red pill and a blue pill.
Jan 30 2010 9:00PM
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[~_~]
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where do I get one??
Jan 30 2010 9:25PM
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An10a_Eng
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i actually felt myself getting dumber as a read that
Jan 31 2010 2:29AM
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