ON3P received demand to change name of “Great Scott”

ironically, the skier behind this famous quote is Scot Schmidt

Way too coincidental. cease and desist us an awesome ski name. There is sort of an upside, this means Scott sees ON3P as an actual threat to their business. You guys must be doing something right. Mo' money mo' problems.

great scott is just an expression. they cant own an expression.

bump

why?

Does Scott not want people to buy their stuff? because right now it kind of looks like thats the case.

Unfortunetely the amount of people who will hear about this, let alone care is pretty small. I doubt it will have much of an impact on Scott's sales.

This...
Sad assholes... The name of Scott skis will disappear in the abyss once the Wall leaves them/retires.

Fuck you tom wallisch! ahaahaha

good job.

okay, I replyed to this thread and then I decided to go back and look at the posts, thats when I saw that all the dates are from around a year ago... so just think about that before you post

I really don't think they have anything against you... I mean Great Scott was a phrase in the english language long before the brand Scott ever existed

rename is "Fuck Scott"

hahaha.

Bump?

This shit is such a joke. No one cares, sorry. There won't be even the smallest dent in their sales due to this thread or TGR. That is all.

Anyone who thinks this would have a big impact on Scotts sales is incredibly oblivious. Thats not the point, the point is that they used their size to pick on the little guy who couldn't afford to defend it no matter how ridiculous and far fetched the claim may be.

uhmm... What?

The name was specifically TRADEMARKED. How is that a far fetched claim?

And whats the point of trying to say Scott is "picking on the little guy"? To try and hurt Scott in any way possible, thus all the "boycott" comments. Kids in another thread tried saying that Armada/Rossi didn't learn anything from this situation and how Scott lost any and All credibility. Yeah... right.

You're completely right. Plus Scott USA doesn't realize the hurt the inflict on themselves via Newschoolers, for one. Then the word of mouth that comes after, too. Fuckin' morons, stupid corporate bastards. Congrats, Scott, you've now ticked me off just enough to downsell the fuck out of your brand, which perhaps in time throws away a lot of revenue, more than what you'll get out of a lawsuit with your lawyer fees. Stupid corporate fucks, blow me.

Trademark infringement basically comes down to "likelihood of confusion."

Our whole point was that...

1) You can only buy skis at www.on3pskis.com - the likelihood that someone buying skis from www.on3pskis.com would confuse them with skis made by Scott (who only sell through Scott dealers) is obviously extremely small.

2) It doesn't say Scott anywhere on the skis. Again, the likelihood that a customer or potential customer would confuse a pair of ON3P Great Scotts, whose only branding was ON3P in the tail, with a pair of Scott-branded skis was, again, extremely small.

Skis are not sold in the same locations and we generally work in different marketing channels.

There was also no evidence of prior confusion.

They did not agree with any of these points and still believed we were infringing on their trademark.

We feel we would have had a good shot had we fought this, but that obviously would have come with a huge financial burden and cost us a great deal of time, and we had much better things to be doing, like building skis! So we took the easy road out, changed the name, and moved on.

Plus, the Cease & Desist is a better name anyway.

As for whether or not this whole thing hurt Scott financially, I'm in full agreement with you that it likely had no notable effect on their sales or their overall credibility. Scott is a huge company, does sales on a global lever, and I highly doubt any change was noticed. As I huge brand, 99% of their customers will probably never hear of this.

As to whether or not it has, on some level, hurt Scott's credibility amongst the niche freeskiing market that constitue almost all of the newschoolers.com & tetongraity users...well, I won't speak for them, so not something for me to answer.

I won't buy Scott. And for a year and counting I've been spreading this story and urging skiers I know to look elsewhere for skis/goggles. None of those people are active on NS or TGR.
Yeah we've got a small impact, just like we did when we had to bend our own twin tips, which was before "Scott USA" ever made skis.

Honestly, i had forgot about this until now. But i was about to get a pair of Scott Punisher Jib skis but fuck that. Gonna stick with my old ones.

SCOTT owns the patents/trademark to the word SCOTT in the name of a ski, in the same way that Armada, Rossignol, etc do as well. You cant call it the Great Armada could you if your name was Armada Andrus?

The Cease and desist letter was sent from our office in Switzerland and received by ON3P asking not to use the name on the skis, you obliged on Oct. 30th, 2009 in your letter back to SCOTT and the situation was over. No lawsuit, no money exchanged, done.

As for ON3P nice work on the name change that was really clever and pretty funny, but I am still awaiting you to keep everyone posted to the outcome like you stated in your post on Nov.1st 2009 after you already knew the outcome.

I'm pretty sure everyone knew the outcome, and Scott let the thread die to make it any more hype which was not necessary. He also just posted again to chill it out as someone bumped this a year later and it was getting heated again.

yeah for sure, I also wanted to cudos him for the Name Cease and Desist...thats pretty damn good.

For clarity.

We can delve more into the details if everyone wants, but as I see it there is no point. Enough negativity right now surrounding other legal action in the ski industry, and I would much rather just be excited for the upcoming season.

Above I posted the details of the legal situation as I understand it. Obviously others disagree and based upon the tone of the post above, there might still be some hard feelings about it

Not my intention to create enemies or stir the fire. I responded to a post in a thread I had not bumped or been active in for almost a year. If it is taken as such, so be it, but as I said above, we've moved on.

If this thread continues to get nasty, I will just delete it. Not gonna lie, I was a bit disappointed to see it bumped, because while this time last year I was fairly frustrated over the situation, I currently have no time to dwell on the past and would much rather focus all my energy on finishing our 2010-2011 production, so hopefully as steakhead stated above, the issue is done.

Actually there was significant discussion after the thread was made as to what the ski should be renamed to. This whole incident came out shortly after On3p tragically lost a friend in Wil Vicik, and Scott was considering re-naming his ski after him. Ultimately, it was decided that there would be a new model dedicated to Wil (hence the "Vicik"), but that was the announcement that they thought they might be making, thus "stay tuned".

Anyway this is all kind of water under the bridge at this point and the thread should probably die as the matter has been resolved. For me, the lesson everyone should take from this (whether they were involved or not) is that a little communication can save a whole lot of confusion and embarassment and avoid shit blowing up on the internet like this. It's a new season, time to move on and go skiing which is on the whole a way better thing to get excited about than lawyers sending threatening letters.