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Calling all Military men and women (US onry, sorry Canada)

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Gavajabra
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Alright guys, I need some input. I'm extremely interested in joining the Military (leaning towards Air Force) but I have one rather large obstacle in my way. Unfortunately, I have asthma which is a dis-qualification to join any branch and in order to get in needs to be medically waivered. I've been seeing an Asthma physician since I was 8 (still do to this day at 19). So basically I have a few questions that still haven't been 100% answered.

1. Do you know/seen people with Asthma in the Military who got it waivered (seeing Doc past age 13 + Inhaler)

2. If you do get waivered, do they give you an inhaler just in case?

3. Say I do lie about my Asthma, and in Basic I tell the doc's that I need an inhaler -- Is this grounds for getting kicked out?

4. Is there anything to improve my stock? I scored a 76 on the Practice ASVAB and am sure with a little studying I can get mid 80's to 90 on the test.


Thanks in advance.
Oct 28 2009 12:11AM
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yellav
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the only reason there is any threat towards the united states is the way our government and peoples act on a day to day basis, as well as past foreign relations playing world police. period. theres a reason people hate our people and everything we stand for.

the american mindset to foreign relations is on the same level as mankinds mindset in relation to the greater animal kingdom. that we are some sort of above all gift to the world, better than anything in existence anywhere. grow up. mankind are a bunch of apes with ipods and billboards, and 'mericas more "evil and corrupt" than the majority of the world leaders bad sides put together. wars are fought to put money into weaponry corporation and hired guns pockets (see: halliburton).

yes kim jong il and ahmadinejad are some scary people. they do some fucked up things to their citizens. the only harm they have towards us, (remember the defense you are all using as defending our people, defending me when i rest my head on my pillow at night?) are nukes. what sizable army is really planning on walking up to our doorstep right now? internal civil war is far more likely than a domestic invasion. why is it so difficult to take a pacifist view on this subject and deal with this over peace talks?

america suffers from a serious case of kick everyones asses then attempt to build mini americas after. when will humankind transcend above different monkey tribes beating each other over the head with sticks and bones. now we have automatic machine guns and nuclear weaponry.

this viscous cycle will never end if wars continue to be fought. every war has adverse consequences which spark future wars. what is mankinds destiny? to quarrel with each other on this tiny third rock from our sun until one of us has the balls to launch a nuke and start world war 3 and extinguish the candle of our microscopic presence in this universe and beyond? we must transcend this bullshit into a peaceful equal society. kicking peoples asses only takes us in steps towards the end of man kind. we must move into an enlightened unified peaceful society. there is no other option besides the end of our human race.imagine if a QUARTER of the money were put into our space programs instead of our militaries. i'd much rather be exploring the cosmos then sitting around getting in little bitchfits with our 100th cousins. no matter what religion you prescribe to we are all brothers and sisters, our ancestry dates back to the same people. one love.

i am against military action because i actually take a millisecond and consider the world and peoples around me.



Oct 28 2009 2:02AM
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Nicholas.
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yeah dude, peace and harmony to the world. fuck everyone who doesn't exist in your own little bubble of civilization... military is never necessary, just let dictators act out on mass genocides, doesn't effect me right? lets go to space man!

i really really wish the world was in a state of peace and equality,hell, if communism were a realistic and feasible theory that was actually possible to achieve i would be all for it. but that isn't our current reality, and it will not be for a very long time (or probably ever) so stop smoking so much weed, and take an ACTUAL REALISTIC look at the world and its current state, and at very LEAST don't hate people for dealing with it for what it is.

thats all ive got for this thread, if you want to believe that America is evil in all cases and that the world should just be great and perfect and at peace, fine...enjoy your sheltered life as best you can.
Oct 28 2009 2:14AM
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thegoat
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the world is made up of
98% sheep
1% wolves
1% sheep dog


valley has shown himself to be 100% sheep.

baaaaa
Oct 28 2009 2:14AM
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Mr.Panda
Posts: 17711 - Karma: 564
Then, do what people like you always threaten to do. Move, leave this country you so OBVIOUSLY hate. Move to Africa, where there IS no military and it's just a massive civil war where if you marry the wrong person then you get strung up and killed. Seriously, I want someone who keeps threatening to move, actually move. Fucking pussies.
Oct 28 2009 2:17AM
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RudyGarmisch
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Sounds like a group of skiers to me.
Oct 28 2009 2:19AM
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Nicholas.
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the line you quoted was the one he said that really killed me, by the way.

If you actually did take that millisecond to think you would realize that the world is what it is, the peoples around you consist of people who are willing to kill and go to war for many reasons and it will always be that way. that is why absolute power corrupts absolutely and that is why diplomacy will always fail eventually in most cases, people are assholes. no one is ever going to agree to just spend our money on playing nice and exploring.

now im really going to bed.
Oct 28 2009 2:22AM
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thegoat
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Also @ Valley

We understand that you disagree with what we do, that you might even hate many of us for doing it.
But we will still be willing to break our backs to save your ass.
We don't even ask that you say thank you.
Oct 28 2009 2:23AM
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steezeeepolizeee
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No idea, I wish you good luck with whatever happens (and im a rebel im from canada but posting in this thread :0
Oct 28 2009 2:24AM
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Mr.Panda
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Steezeeepolize we did pretty good with our Cat/Panda/Milk carton army.
Oct 28 2009 2:32AM
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steezeeepolizeee
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yea that rememinds me ill bump up that thread now i havn't seen the new one in a while. The love for our army goes even deeper then passion my blood brother!!
Oct 28 2009 2:34AM
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Mr.Panda
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VERY MUCH INDEED!
Oct 28 2009 2:35AM
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yellav
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totally. thanks for saving me from all the nukes saddam had stashed away in iraq. good thing we're still battling away over there right?! god damn i mean if they had sent those nukes jeez who knows what could have happened!! how many did they find again? i forget. thanks for breakin your back saving me man. or were you getting pwned by the taliban up in them caves? either way thank you so much. US foreign relations is a joke. palin for prez 2012 though right? lets keep this shit going for another 10 years.

if you really want me to be realistic, how is any war we are involved in right now realistically saving me. quit crying "be realistic" when the only reason any US soldier has a foot in the middle east right now could have easily been avoided several, several times, through pacifiist, domestic affairs and is on the grounds of an ousted government clan allowing a terrorist group to hide in some caves.

to each their own though i suppose. totally thank you for saving my ass bro. brotally brotalicious. the worlds doomed in any case have your fun, blowing up shit is pretty cool i guess.
Oct 28 2009 2:51AM
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Dustin.
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Flight clearances are more strict, and Air Force spec ops is just about as intense as it gets.  Look up Combat Rescue Officers, PJ, TACP, etc.  They all work joint with Marines, Navy, and Army, but they do stuff like freefall from 25,000 feet with SEALs so they can call in air strikes under fire.  Ever seen Transformers?  Basically for real, those guys were all AF.

As for the Asthma, if you get the waiver you are good to go but that one is pretty dependent on the severity and type of asthma you have.
Oct 28 2009 2:56AM
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Mr.Panda
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For some reason I always think that Air Force=F22s, C130s, and mechanics. Thanks for enlightening me. (Srsly, no sarcasm, actually, honestly, thank you)
Oct 28 2009 2:58AM
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papasteeze
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because you will qualify for lower insurance rates and will likely get a job over someone with out military experience would reason enough for me.
Oct 28 2009 3:07AM
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papasteeze
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talking to a mirror again?
Oct 28 2009 3:12AM
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Dustin.
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You are basically just repeating all the worst attitudes in history.  One easy to remember and understand example:  Europe allows Hitler to very slowly violate minor pieces of the Treaty of Versailles.  You realize that he peacefully "annexed" both Austria and Czechoslovakia without anyone doing anything more than wagging a finger at him?  With no opposition and nothing but diplomacy in his way he planned to take over Europe, which he was only 9 days from doing at one point.  If he wasn't such a strategic goon, he would have likely steamrolled Europe.  He plotted against the US (who wanted NOTHING TO DO WITH IT) simply because we posed a threat by existing. 

The main point is that ignoring those who do pose a danger to the world (not just the US, don't be so close minded) must be at the least kept at a safe distance.  I'm not saying war is the answer, but you better believe that the mere presence of a powerful military is the only reason we haven't had to fend off an invasion since Britain decided we were to independent.  Once again, whether or not we should flex those muscles today is left to your own opinion, but to denounce the existence of the military is simply idiotic and naive.  It's a necessary evil until everyone in the world can agree to drop their sword at the same time (which isn't going to happen).


Sorry that was so long, probably won't change anything but I just felt like writing tonight.
Oct 28 2009 3:15AM
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papasteeze
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Your head is on straight. You will do well in life.  The services will provide life skills that will serve you well the rest of your life. 

And for those wondering. nope I was never in the services. I took the long road, the school of hard knocks. wish I knew then, what I know now.
Oct 28 2009 3:16AM
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Mr.Panda
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It's so long he won't read it but still respond.

+k to you sir.
Oct 28 2009 3:20AM
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holyDINOSAURS
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canada doesnt want your service
Oct 28 2009 3:23AM
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grape-ape
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look. the military sucks. its bullshit. noone should be sent by a boss to kill a man. but as a civilization we have been at war since the beginning of our leap forward on the evolutionary scale. weve fucked it up. we made it get this point. it sucks.but dont worry you can always blame someone else. and to all you guys in the military. i hate what your doing. but i damn well accept your right to do it and the fact that we made it a necessity.
Oct 28 2009 3:46AM
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prontocuts.com
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Look into ROTC

And how severe is your asthma?
Oct 28 2009 9:25AM
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prontocuts.com
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yep, my best friend is a marine recon scout sniper, and he looks up to PJs and always talks about how crazy they are
Oct 28 2009 9:32AM
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breezepig
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yo honestly anyone that believes the army is actually protecting us is a complete ball of shit. ou literally are a ball of shit with no moral value or benifit to society. the first couple posts about being a man and being part of something bigger than your self are simple minded children who have probably watched one to many u.s. army commercials. You are probably the type of mother fucker who bought into the commercial where they tried to show a video game turn into a real life battle scenario, thats a ploy to trick dumbasses to think they will be some type of hero. fucking retarded bullshit the army is only fighting for a capitalist based government, whos only goals are reliant on greed for money and power.fuck you  dumb bitches
Oct 28 2009 11:28AM
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Dustin.
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That's politics fault, not the Army's.  Trust me, people in the military don't enjoy heading to the sand pit for 18 months to get shot at.  Not at all.  I understand where you anger is coming from, but you should probably target your local congressman with an intelligent letter rather than the person who volunteered to go so that others don't have to.
Oct 28 2009 11:34AM
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Dustin.
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I agree to some extent.  I wish we didn't need a military either, but like you said it's been a necessary evil since the beginning of time.  I'm just happy you didn't just write "Fuck the military" and peace out :)
Oct 28 2009 11:35AM
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yellav
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initiative towards equal unified peace is the worst attitude in history?

you do realize the US has several peacefully annexed nations and invades countries with zero proven basis. if you took a poll of which countries foreign relations best model the third reich in todays society most fingers would be pointed at america and george w bush. government leaders have called the bush hitler and the devil for christ sakes. under your logic aren't we the ones who should be kept in check?

the reason diplomacy doesn't work now is because we didn't use it in the past. cause and effect, its very very very simple. every single war ever fought poses settings for new conflict down the road. always. we've been using military action our entire existence and look where thats taken us.

there are two paths to be taken. steps towards world peace, and steps towards nuclear obliteration. every war fought takes us the wrong way. if we took 1% of the trillions of dollars we put forth for the military and put it towards humanitarian efforts and peace talks the possibilities would be endless.

we cannot forever play out this stupid beating your neighbor over the head with a club action. the first step in the right direction is to stop "flexing our muscles" and start real initiative for a changed mentality in our world community.
Oct 28 2009 12:09PM
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fujarome
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we need wars to keep the population down. I love it when people complain about wars and the military, and how that money should be spent on humanitarian efforts, and saving children in africa etc, but then go and say that the human race has to act and do something about the population problem.

and to some of you-we get it, you don't like the military. Then don't join!

the way i see it, there are 3 types of people

-those that hate the military until they need it for their personal good
-those that accept that military as a necessity, for better or worse
-those that enjoy having a military, and either support it or join it

I'd definitely consider myself the 3rd type since i'm most likely going to join in a few years after i finish school. (gotta finish to get that officer position)

and no, just because we dont hate the military doesn't mean we are sheep. If anything, it shows that you are. What, do you think you're being original, unique, and creative in not liking the military? No, instead you're being an idiot. I'd love to see what people like valley would say if one day we woke up, and chinese tanks were rolling in through mexico, and their ships were off our coasts. (hypothetical situation obviously, i doubt it'll happen)


so here's what it comes down to:

countries without militaries are the easiest targets, and on a large scale, do not exist. If you think the US could abandon our military and live on in peace, you're sorely mistaken. I'd give it less than a year until some russians, chinese, maybe even south americans or europeans come knocking. And then what?


oh, and to answer the original question, i believe in the air force you can get a waiver easily, unless  you wish to be a pilot. but even if you do, i think there may still be some hope. good luck to you, however you decide.
Oct 28 2009 12:32PM
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breezepig
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by joining the military you are supporting what they stand for, i mean you are fighting for them.... so you're dumb, also it really isn't volunteering if you get payed to do it. All these soldiers are all just hired guns nothing more just hired guns and meat shields
Oct 28 2009 12:35PM
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yellav
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your argument is we need wars to keep the population down? i thought the other guys argument was we need wars to stop evil dictators from committing genocide? i'm lost...

i've never called anyone in this thread a sheep, only a brainwashed monkey which you've flawlessly displayed by naming off a bunch of past communist areas as a threat to invading us. all i've suggested is a world initiative towards peace in every facet of life, and an end to idiotic senseless military action, like the mess we are in now. sadly a step to a defensive isolationist state is all we can move towards for now.
Oct 28 2009 12:44PM
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STREETS
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LMAO BULLSHIT What "rights" are you defending these days? Since World war 2 there hasn't been a conflict in which Aamerican action directly affected the rights and freedoms of Americans. Afganhistan and Iraq nope threatens your rights cause you went into their countries to fuck shit up and now they are even more pissed. But what ever do what you want. Just don't get a big head about it like you are some god damn fucking hero cause you learn how to kill other people and defend "rights".

Oct 28 2009 12:47PM
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fujarome
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i was just using those as ridiculous examples, including the population bit. of course the military's primary purpose would be to eliminate dictators etc, but i was just giving the more outrageous side of things. I apologize if my arguments are not the best, i'm currently working on some papers from classes so my mind isn't completely on this.

and i agree with you. peace is a fantastic thing, and we should strive for it. but at the moment it just isn't feasible. And it likely never will. Diplomacy will not always work, the politicians won't always figure things out, and sometimes fighting just needs to happen. It's unfortunate, but it happens.

hate the principles and the idea, not the people fighting.
Oct 28 2009 12:51PM
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yellav
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how is any conflict we are in needing to happen.


the people fighting are directly supporting the principles and idea. they in effect are the principle and idea.
Oct 28 2009 12:55PM
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skiseemore
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i thought this was a ski site? if you are in the military you cant ski i dont get why you want skiers advice fuck i will never understand americans and their anger burn one down and shred a pillow line fuck everything else

Oct 28 2009 12:59PM
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Mr.Panda
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So, you are the type of person that decides to spit on the troops when they get off the boots after spending 18 months in the desert aren't you?
Oct 28 2009 1:17PM
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icon1234
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Lol @ some of the kids in this thread.

First off half of you kids are mixing up our countries politics to the individual members of the military. Just because someone joins the military it doesn't necessarily mean they agree with with the decisions Washington is making. Given you could argue why would you join a company (the military) if you don't agree with your boss's(the government) commands/decisions. But honestly the armed forces gives some really great benefits that some really need; in addition i personally think those benefits should be increased cause I think our troops deserve better. Not to mention the military teaches skills and traits that no other experience could teach you.

The majority of this site, myself included, really do not understand how well off they are. Just because your parents pay for your 40k a year tuition and health/car insurance doesn't mean everyone else can. So to simply say why would you want to join the military, cause i disagree with our countries politics is a real ignorant statement.

Lastly some of you kids need get your fucking ethics right. Our armed forces do serve our country; so  yes maybe they are fighting someone else's war today, and you may not even agree with it. But if needed, tomorrow they will be fighting our war without hesitation. Pretty much pay respect to the military, they deserve it.

Sorry for that rant, and i have no clue to the OP question.
Oct 28 2009 1:19PM
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Mr.Panda
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They would go from fighting someone else's war, and if we were invaded or something like WWII happens again they would drop everything to protect us without a second question.
Oct 28 2009 1:24PM
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yellav
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word, i suppose your correct, i can't hate on uneducated people who have no idea behind the history of humanity or the conflict we are in right now. i mean why would they really want to be there if they knew it was just under ulterior motives of weapons corporations sparking conflict. got to give their ignorance some respect so yes i guess hating on individual soldiers is a waste of time. it is our government. i apologize.

the military does provide an awesome opportunity for someone looking to get an education. stated that the first thing i posted in this thread.
Oct 28 2009 1:46PM
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Mr.Panda
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Now you are assuming shit about people again and are essentially saying the only people that support the US troops are uneducated douchebags. Shut the fuck up and leave this country that you so obviously hate, I'm serious, do it. Leave, the way people like you always threaten to do.
Oct 28 2009 1:53PM
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Nicholas.
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wow you just blanketed everyone in the military into people who are ignorant to the world and conflicts they are involved in. you are a fucking jackass dude. honestly, all we are saying is that aside from everything else...IF there was a conflict in say hmmm salt lake city, youd be begging the fucking military to come save you. so fuck you, youre a cunt. im not going to change your opinion obviously so fuck it, hopefully one day you will grow up. some of the shit you have said in this thread is beyond ignorant, its disappointing.
Oct 28 2009 1:57PM
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yellav
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no i'm saying the only defense people have of the military is hate on the ideas and initiatives behind the fight, not the soldiers. well if the soldier is not there for the government to pay for his/her college, he/she is quite obviously uneducated on the ideas or initiatives behind the fight or he/she would not be there. logic, no matter how hard you try and fight it, it will always ring true.

word. i'm a dual citizen of america and canada, and i'm working on it don't worry buddy.
Oct 28 2009 1:57PM
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yellav
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i have never said anything about the military defending us domestically. you should learn how to read.
Oct 28 2009 1:59PM
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yellav
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trollin all y'alls way too fun.
Oct 28 2009 1:59PM
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Mr.Panda
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You do realize, some people join the military because, oh let' see, our economy is so FUCKED that they can't get a job. They also join the military, cause even if they could pay for college, they don't know what they want to do. Some people, like two of my best friends, they joined cause it would be their only opportunity to travel. And to be frank, most members who have been shipped to Iraq and Afghanistan realize what they are doing isn't really helping, but they are still willing to try.


And hurry the fuck up on leaving, but, by god, don't go to Canada, they have a military too. Oh shit, um, let's see, who doesn't have a military of some form. OH YEAH!!!! GO TO A FUCKING THIRD WORLD NATION IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE IN A MILITARY! Like, Somalia, they don't even have a fucking government.
Oct 28 2009 2:01PM
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Nicholas.
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k go eat a dick dude. good recovery.
Oct 28 2009 2:01PM
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yellav
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son you can travel at any point in your life. misconceived notions of societies grip on us is all that holds us back. i know two homies, one with $500 in his pocket, one with $50 in his pocket have traveled the globe.

costa rica doesn't have a military. and you see canada uses a military for defense. along with every single other first world country besides america. quit using the argument omg waht if those commie chinese or those russians, they used to be commies rightz, come with tankz and gunz and shit. thats what military should be used for. defense. america really has not gotten that through their thick skulls somehow.
Oct 28 2009 2:08PM
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Mr.Panda
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The majority of the world used to look to the United States to do something cause they can't rely on the UN with their Baby Blue helmets anymore. That's why the US Rangers and Delta Force ended up in Somalia, that's why we were in the first Gulf War (Here is what the UN does, "Oh Saddam, you, um, can't invade Kuwait, can you please leave?")...
Oct 28 2009 2:10PM
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Mead
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I understand that you do not war, and I think most of the people here and elsewhere agree. Unfortunately, this is our condition; there will always be war and conflict. With your pessimistic responses, I would have thought you knew this. Do you honestly think people will ever live in peace?

How can you not appreciate what the men and women of the armed services do for you everyday? While the reasons behind our current conflicts are questionable, we, as Americans are responsible whether you like it or not. That is the way democracy works. If you don't like it, please leave. Soldiers are needed in these conflict whether they like it or not. If it wasn't for them it would be people like you and I fighting in conflicts we don't fully believe in.


So please, next time you think about shit talking the US Military, quell your ungrateful, naive thoughts, for just a moment (it will be hard I know), and think about how much you would like getting shot at, in a fucking hellhole, 25 hours a day. Thanks.


Fuck you.



Oct 28 2009 2:38PM
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fujarome
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you sir, have it right.

look at it in the context of any job. For example, i used to work for Sears. Periodically our upper management would do or release something that people didn't agree with. (union issues) Does that mean a customer should come in, and yell at me, a lowly cashier for it? The military is a job, and soldiers are it's employees. They don't always agree or like what they do, but they don't very well have much of a choice. And someone said that they are not volunteers awhile ago because they got paid. That's using something like a high school definition of volunteer. They voluntarily join, then get paid for their service. So yes, in theory, they are hired guns. But once again, comparing it to another job, thats like saying i voluntarily joined sears holdings  corporation to become a hired cashier. No one forces them to join, and so it's voluntary.


and as you said, if people don't think the military would drop iraq/afghanistan in a second to return to defend the US, then you are very mistaken.
Oct 28 2009 2:51PM
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