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The death of dancing on rails....

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LineBoarder
Posts: 3762 - Karma: 84
I haven't posted in the Ski Gabber in years, but I feel like this is a good comeback.

When is "dancing on rails" going to end?  I understand we all like switchups and 270's-450's on/out.  But I am honestly really sick of the 900 combinations that are done on 1 single rail at a single time.  I am a kid of the 90s, so maybe the new style isn't my style in general.  But I think rails look way doper when it is more fluid and not butterfyle style.  Rails should be killed, no skinny jeans onto them...

Time for a Jay Z remix.....
Oct 19 2009 2:02PM
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nickyp
Posts: 5673 - Karma: 215
Fuck off back the 90's then. Luddite.
Oct 19 2009 2:03PM
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josh1212
Posts: 61 - Karma: 64
agree completely, it just does not look good when people do 4 switch-ups on one rail, keep it clean and steezy!!! pretzels are the way to go!
Oct 19 2009 2:04PM
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Fev4ng
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You can't hold the natural progress of a sport back.
Oct 19 2009 2:04PM
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LineBoarder
Posts: 3762 - Karma: 84
Im not hating on the natural progression... people should keep doing their thing.... but I am just saying that style was better when rails were killed and not danced on...
Oct 19 2009 2:10PM
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Fev4ng
Posts: 225 - Karma: 62
Stop hatin', start adaptin'.
Oct 19 2009 2:12PM
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djikstra
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you clearly haven't seen B-Dog's segment in refresh!
Oct 19 2009 2:16PM
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Jesus-FlwrSubaru
Posts: 1077 - Karma: 53
Agreed, for example I prefer to watch people like T-hall do the tweaks he does after stomping a lip 270 onto the rail then pretzel 270 out
Oct 19 2009 2:16PM
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josh1212
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nope have not seen that segment, i want to see the movie !!!
Oct 19 2009 2:17PM
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Pinguu
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I agree, but if people can do switch-ups real styley they will also be sick...  Right now though, I enjoy some nice smooth railslides
Oct 19 2009 2:21PM
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BroBomb
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What's "natural" about "progress"?
Oct 19 2009 2:25PM
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Jodi
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^^^Bwahaha.
Oct 19 2009 2:39PM
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eheath
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I don't think its bad, but its repetitive as fuck. Every damn edit now and days is a couple kids doing every switch up combo withs 2s on and off, EVERY EDIT, its getting out of hand. Now mind you, im not saying they are bad at skiing or anything and this really has barely anything to do with the thread, but some kid doing as many swaps as possible and as many pretzels as possible on a flat box is getting out of hand for sure.
Oct 19 2009 2:40PM
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LineBoarder
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Especially the pre-season edits now.....  It is the competition of who can dance the most....
Oct 19 2009 2:44PM
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ajax
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but they're so fun, and feel so good when you land new ones....
Oct 19 2009 2:46PM
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bpalmer
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after i saw the thread title, i thought that b-dog's refresh seg was the topic of the thread
Oct 19 2009 2:48PM
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skiseemore
Posts: 988 - Karma: 17
i've been skiing park and whatnot for over 10 years now and rail skiing has progressed sooo much in that time and i dont think you can hold it back i believe any progression is good progression. just do you and have fun
Oct 19 2009 2:53PM
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Noddard
Posts: 2649 - Karma: 3,821
stop hating cause you can't keep up.  stick with 90's tricks
Oct 19 2009 2:55PM
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MALONE
Posts: 3819 - Karma: 73
Cassabon is the exception, he makes shit look good and hes not even doin that much dancing. straight steezin
Oct 19 2009 3:03PM
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dweezileast
Posts: 9661 - Karma: 276
I was thinking this same thing when I was at the mt snow rail jam. Props to the kids who are really technical with switchups and all because it does take some amount of skill, but I was getting depressed watching switchup wars 2009
Oct 19 2009 3:04PM
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CHARLES.BRONSON
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Casabon's segment was really sick, He got really clean style on street rails and he doesnt step onto shit he ollies
Oct 19 2009 3:11PM
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deleted5
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come on I had respect for you it's sw up  NOT SWAP
Oct 19 2009 3:11PM
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McLeod
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two words: MIKE HORNBECK
Oct 19 2009 3:18PM
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Capurnicus
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I think that the problem is that a lot of kids can do a lot of tricks nowadays, but not that many kids can do those tricks well. It's easy to move from k-fed to super fed without perfecting the k-fed, and I think this is what happens. Before kids can do the tricks with style, they're already able to do multiple tricks without style in a row...which is not soo good to watch.

Take the back swap, front swap, continuing back two. This trick is not that hard, and so basically every kid can do it. A lot the time though this trick just looks wack as fuck, but if done correctly, without fake style or flailing, it looks like a really nice, legit trick.

So yeah, basically I think that hopping around on rails looks bad if you have bad style, but looks ill if you have good style (obviously). And it has to be YOUR style. Not some style you saw on the internet then forced your body to conform to on the hill. Cause the truth is, everyone knows if you're rocking your style or someone else's style...we can tell.
Oct 19 2009 3:25PM
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VT_scratch
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yaaa his like 2 on bs swup 2 out on the dfd was soooooooooooo butter it was unreal
Oct 19 2009 3:26PM
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Capurnicus
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And by "style" the last thing I mean is what type of clothes your wearing. I mean style as in the way you move your body and manipulate your skis on snow.
Oct 19 2009 3:27PM
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MayorWest
Posts: 1596 - Karma: 160
i think what you mean is like all same way switch ups.
like bakc swap to front to back to front to back 2
i think its sick if on urban but other then that looks kinda gay.
however. switching directions is tough and looks good. like a back to back blind swaps to fron 2 out looks dirty as hell wather it be a flat box or urban double kink
Oct 19 2009 3:30PM
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holyDINOSAURS
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i agree.

whatever happened to just bombing rails and skiing fucking fast? reminds me of skating. difference between someone like Ladd compared to Jason Adams or Alfaro. fast clean tricks FTW
Oct 19 2009 3:34PM
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daytripper67
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(not trying to be a dick, just correcting you in case it wasnt just a typo) its "nowadays" not "now and days"
Oct 19 2009 3:55PM
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CollinWright
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segment was reiculous!
Oct 19 2009 4:04PM
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SuperE
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Switch ups are gay and make skiing look like Rollerblading, which is ultra gay. BDog is steezy, so is Hombeck.
Oct 19 2009 4:11PM
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Malcolm
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if it looks controlled its steezy as fuck
Oct 19 2009 4:11PM
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ForrestW
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someone just did this same thread and it was just as stupid as this
Oct 19 2009 4:25PM
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LineBoarder
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Yeah kids need to stop competing with each other with quick edits of how technical they are, and to the kid above who said I can't compete, your right- and I don't try to either.  And to Capric.. you pretty much nailed it right on the head my dude.... can't force the switch up....
Oct 19 2009 4:25PM
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switchieski
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i disagre but respect your opinion, although i think i agee with the lack of fluidity, when someone is having a convulsion on the rail its not that appealing, can you dig it?
Oct 19 2009 4:25PM
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Logey.
Posts: 2996 - Karma: 457
why doesnt someone post a video of somone just killing it on rails so we can just prove him wrong?
Oct 19 2009 4:30PM
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LineBoarder
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 Impossible dude... I already knew all the kids who are absolutely KILLING it with dancing on rails, and I completely respect their style and the progression of this sport.  I am not hating on anyone here.  I am just saying that I liked it more when it wasn't so technical on rails.. that's all....  one day it will be back to the essence possibly. Until then I am completely 120% down for anything possible on ski's.

To all of you haters out there.... its all good.
Oct 19 2009 4:35PM
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TheButterHashira
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If you can look as stylish dancing on rails as you can just sliding it then why not dance?
People are going to do what they want so why not just do skiing your way and enjoy it?
Oct 19 2009 4:38PM
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LineBoarder
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true... skiing is about having fun for sure.... I agree.
Oct 19 2009 4:39PM
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dweezileast
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the root of this problem is the original "all 8" video with wallisch. That's just wallisch dicking around on some rails, but I think a lot of kids interpret it differently: they think if they can do all 8 they are well on their way to being just as good as he is. That's where I get hung up with this whole thing. If it's fun to do all 8 variations of switchups to two sev out, then by all means do it, but claiming ALL 8!!! is on some wack shit. I would much rather see progression about taking the tricks you know to different places, instead of trying to see how many times you can spin around on a box. It's going unnoticed right now, but if people keep freaking out about the amount of switchups/spins out someone can do on a park feature we have basically just reinvented the sport of aerials except with rails.
basically: do what you find fun, but don't ceaselessly try to imitate what you see in videos/edits because by the time you learn exactly what a pro has done in your favorite segment, they've been on to the next shit for a while, and thats gonna put a big damper on progression.
Oct 19 2009 5:20PM
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Shadows
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i like your point of view. it definitely shows progression as well as maturity in the sport. i noticed a lot more kids are starting to manipulate their body/skis in tricks. its good, brings new flava and keeps things moving.
Oct 19 2009 5:33PM
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Danger.
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My biggest issue is when people try to switch up 2-10 times on a small rail. That's when it's dancing. The amount of switch ups you do should be proportional to the size of the rail.
Oct 19 2009 5:48PM
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DBAKE
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I agree with the thread creator, I am a little on the side of 2s on and 2s off with one switch up , i think it looks cooler and smoother when people do stuff like that, but thats just my opinion, dont listen to me do what you want and have fun.
Oct 19 2009 5:54PM
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yellav
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coal drexler, max hill, and andy parry will save us.
Oct 19 2009 6:00PM
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traylortrash
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what else is there to do preseason?
Oct 19 2009 6:01PM
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MALONE
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Most of the busted and dancing type shit is on petty flat boxes and park rails, so it should only be taken as seriously as it is. No one is putting that stuff in movie segments for the most art so i wouldn't worry about it. When tanner or Tj start triple swapping ten foot boxes in their seggies then complain, but kids making imovie edits for newschoolers is just kids being kids they'll figure it out.
Oct 19 2009 6:01PM
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titsLOL
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is that a joke? If not you fail to comprehend the most basic principle of existence. That is truly sad.
Oct 19 2009 6:21PM
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ElbridgeGerry
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I really have to agree with you. I think someone with more air sense and balance is a lot cooler to watch.
Oct 19 2009 6:25PM
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zagfan5
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 tudor tail presses are sick.
Oct 19 2009 6:27PM
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PeteySkeety
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Martini in EDIAS is stezy
Oct 19 2009 6:39PM
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