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Answering to binding adjustment question: the memo

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quebecfreestyler
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Ok I,ll make it short and clear: if you are not a certified shop tech or know exactly waht you are talking about, dont anser to any of the binding adjustment questions.

If you lead someone in the wrong direction, you may be responsible for screwing hisknees and maybe other parts of his body big time.

Mar 4 2008 11:30PM
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daave.
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I bought this year's full tilt doggers and love them except when combined with my 08/09 marker griffon bindings there is some movement in the toe. The binding does not have any vertical adjustment options. My buddy recommended I buy new (bigger I'm assuming) AFD's. Good idea? Or are there any other options to help fix my problem ... +k for help. Thanks
Dec 7 2010 12:00AM
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mmallender.
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get ahold of marker and let them know whats up and they should send you some new toe wings
Dec 7 2010 4:45PM
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daave.
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thanks dogg, +k
Dec 7 2010 7:14PM
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RudyGarmisch
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If the message isnt clear enough, which apparently it isnt:

If you have binding questions, GO TO A SHOP. Dont trust mounts and dins to people over the internet, go to someone who you know KNOWS.
Dec 7 2010 10:17PM
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mmallender.
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if that was pointed at me, i am just repeating what was posted by k2/marker/ft in other threads when they addressed the toe slop issue between ft/dalbello bindings and the 08/09 jester toepiece
Dec 8 2010 1:47AM
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skiman181
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HAHA SOOO TRUE i adjusted my bindings my self and on a landing after a a 3 in the glades my leg got caugt up and i dislocated it tore ligaments and bruised cartilidge
Dec 29 2010 5:54PM
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whegrodamus.
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Hi, I was just wondering if it would be a bad idea to change my din from like a 4 to a 6 or so on my old little skis.

I used them when i was like 5'5 100lbs, I'm now 5'10 130lbs...

Gonna be using them on a little skate rail setup in my front yard i made w/ surplus snow.

Is it ok to do it yourself and not get it pressure checked w/e the other shit is they do at the shops or is it unsafe?

Bindings were used for like 1 season when i was just learning to ski so they havent seen much damage or abuse
Jan 3 2011 8:13PM
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bob_ham
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if a griffon is mounted on afterbangs for a 315 bsl and i have a 302 bsl would it be able to adjust that much? i dont wanna make a whole thread on this
Jan 4 2011 4:18PM
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onenerdykid
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it depends on where your heel was mounted on the tray, but I highly doubt it. Moving more than 10mm is 9/10 a re-mount.
Jan 4 2011 4:53PM
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bob_ham
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damn. would a remount screw me in this situation
Jan 4 2011 5:00PM
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yells
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pff i honestly dont know what to set my DIN at anymore
i have atomic panics with marker squire bindings set at DIN 5
at the sport shop they calibrated them by age/weight/skier type etc.
but sometimes it releases too quick for my liking (pretty aggressive)
so i is it recomended cranking them up just a bit?
Jan 24 2011 9:14AM
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Travapple.
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I work in a ski shop and the chart(s) we use to determine din settings are definitely geared towards general groomer skiing, and not aggressive/park/bc skiing.

Im not going to officially recommended you to crank em, but thats what a lot of people do. i just gradually increased my din day by day until i found a setting i was comfortable with.
Feb 13 2011 4:43AM
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Miguel-L
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well said ma friend
Mar 19 2011 8:53PM
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sskier
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I weigh just over 135 lbs,I am 5'7" and I have 177 line step ups and I am an expert skier,Is it bad that I am running marker jesters on the lowest setting of 6?my shop that mounted them said I was fine and I got a great deal on the bindings,otherwise I would have bought griffons.What do you guys think?
Mar 21 2011 10:27PM
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.skiperisher.
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unless you have a massive foot you should be right at 6
Apr 3 2011 12:58AM
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Rossberger
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This question was posted in another stickied thread but I just wanted to get a few more opinions and explanations.

I have ar7s(Not symmetrical) with fks 140s. I'm planning on doing 60% park, 40% all mountain, and being on the east when I do decide to go all mountain I want to be able to carve fine with no worries. But when I'm in the park, I want to be able to ride out switch fine. Do I need the center mount because I heard it affects your all mountain performance for the worse? Also, if I had it mounted at -2.5(factory recc), would I still be able to ride out switch fine. I'm just talking riding out switch, I don't plan on doing switch groomers or anything. So -2.5 or center, or somewhere in between? And how does -2.5 even affect riding out switch, because if it doesn't then I'll just get it at -2.5 since I value carving more than riding switch for like 15 seconds.
May 11 2011 2:51PM
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laserbeamz
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If you have to ask about your din on the internet, you don't know what your doing so go to a good shop and ask some one who does know what there doing...
May 19 2011 12:08AM
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S.C
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I have a pair of this years Surface One Lives and Watch Lives, both mounted with FKS 140.

I weigh like 120 lbs, will probably put on 5-10 lbs by ski season and am 5'9"

however, i dont ski a park, and really charge big mountain lines and such. I have skied my whole life, and go fast and hard.

So... what din?

id say the one lives will be used for 10% deep pow 60% choppy pow 40% all mountain (no park)

For the watch lives: 30% park 60% all mountain 10% pow

when i say all mountain i mean moguls, charging steep chutes and such in hardpack, etc.

soooo... help me out NS?
Oct 19 2011 8:23PM
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Jas02
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MORE LIKE FART ADVICE
Dec 12 2011 6:53PM
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bgaffney
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Skis can usually be drilled up to three times so you shouldn't have a problem getting the bindings remounted. However, you might not be able to have the bindings mounted at exact center, depending on where the previous holes were drilled, because the new holes need to be a certain distance from the old holes for safety reasons.
Jan 7 2012 2:39AM
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Joonas
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This is not exactly about adjusting bindings, but the back part of my marker griffons popped off, it seemd that nothing broke, so i slid the binding back to the track mounted on the ski. It locked to its place and i just adjusted the length a bit so my boot could fit. It seems like it doesnt come off and holds there, but is it safe to ski or will it come off?
Jan 19 2012 6:34AM
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onenerdykid
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You really need to take your set up (with your boots) to your local shop or the mountain shop and have it checked out. Don't gamble with your knees, legs, hips, life.
Jan 19 2012 7:11AM
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rane
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where should i mount my armada halo's? i ski 90% park and 10% other. true center or factory recommend?
Feb 26 2012 5:05AM
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BasedDogSteeez
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i personally like a high din. i ride a lot of park, so i absolutely hate popping out for no reason.
Feb 28 2012 3:39AM
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Mag
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Is the worm further forward than back on the track? Essentially having less threads in the track? Because that'll cause it to come off.
Jun 9 2012 12:44PM
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palma
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I have 06 Volkl Racetiger GS with Head 26.5 ski boots. The binding is set to 305 for boot sole length and it is easily adjustable. I just purchased Atomic HAWX 120 boots. I am satisfied with my DIN settings I do not want to change the DIN settings.
Do I need to make any changes to the binding settings to accommodate for a new boot?

Thank you.
Sep 12 2012 10:30AM
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sweetleaf
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Good point considering everybody tries to do it
Dec 15 2012 7:57PM
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PoppingSnow
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where to place my bindings (tanner hall PEAK) on Armada AR7 ski's? -5 or -2.5?
what's the difference in riding it?

Jan 7 2013 5:47PM
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SwagtasticWalrus
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Dude there just bindings. What's the big deal? I assist mine all the time.
Mar 15 2013 12:16AM
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Aahlnas
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I have my park bindings at 16 and my weight is 90kg. Do I win? What is my price?
Oct 31 2013 7:57PM
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the.ghost
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The shop tech who mounted my solly driver 14s was an idiot and didn't adjust the toe wings or height at all and when I got back home I noticed like 3 mm of vertical play in the toe. The shop is an hour and a half from my house so I'm not going back, so I just adjusted the vertical screw myself. I changed nothing else. Is this going to affect my release at all, like do I need to have someone at a better shop check them before I ride them, or am I good to go? It's my first time not owning marker bindings in 25 years of skiing.
Nov 13 2013 6:39PM
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Mar-O
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I dont think my local shop even sells look binding and I don't really think they know allot about any bindings, therefor I am going to go ahed and ask you guys for advice on where to set my din regardless of how much hate I might get. Yes, I realize this is on my own risk and I am looking for guidelines...
Info
Age: 18
Skis: new 4frnt Click 177
Bindings: new look px 12 jib (my boots sit tight in my bindings..)
Boots: salomon ghost 100, size: 26.5, 305mm sole length
Height: 5.8
Weight: 148 Ibs (pretty skinny)
Ability: A decent all around skier, I ski 95 % park and my best tricks are (ugly 7s) and switch 5s. I don't spin on the biggest jumps and I hit lots of rails..

Are I wrong with thinking that the only thing you adjust if your bindings are properly mounted is the screw on the toe and heel pice, cause I honestly don't see why giving advice/guidelines and making people set their din themselves are that big of a deal? Probably a really dumb question but whatever...
Thanks!
Nov 18 2013 8:27AM
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Sneakyweasl
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OK here I go I'm 6'1” weigh 210# ski on a nornordica 177cm ski have nx10 bindings with a boot sole length of 349mm. I ski semiagresive I'm not afraid to hit a 40' kicker and land clean most of the time. By the way in the Midwest so all groomers current din is set at 7 I keep popping out when landing switch or on a hard hockey stop aare these bindings even right for me? Or should I just take the din up a little bit? Thanks
Dec 14 2013 9:45AM
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BoughtJagged
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check the forward pressure sure, but why would you be on a pair of NX 10s? Who told you that was a good Idea. They aren't a bad binding but they have no elastic travel. If you like look/rossi get a Pivit or FKS or at least a PX with a higher din.
Dec 18 2013 8:25PM
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Jamieson1998
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im a ski tech for snow and rock in the uk , all i would say is get somebody who knows how to do it , to do it > don't be stupid and do it your self because you'll most likely break yourself
May 21 2014 4:55PM
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Prof.Pretzel
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bump
Jun 26 2014 7:22AM
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fluffyclouds
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Should the heal piece on a jester binding be able to move a few millimeters sideways? Also how much space is recommended between the binding and the boot?
Sep 12 2014 12:21PM
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flacotaco
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I am 5'9 136 pretty aggressive skier and just had my marker squires mounted on my line traveling circuses. The din is set at 4 and if i stand in it and lean forward the heel piece moves a little bit. Apox where should my din be set and should this be happening to the heal piece while standing in my room?
Oct 27 2014 9:36PM
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freeskier865
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s.nenkovHello,I just bought the marker griffon 12 binding. I am 5.9 ft 165 pounds. I have been skiing since i was 2 years old every sesason, now i'm 19. I got into freestyle last lear so you could say I am a beginner in this area, however I feel very comfortable on my skis and and still go fast on them. Could anybody suggest what should i put my bindings on ?Thank you


LIKE THE EVERYONE ON THIS THREAD IS SAYING TAKE IT TO YOUR LOCAL SHOP....
LET THE PROS THAT ARE CERTIFIED AND KNOW WHAT THE ARE DOING DO IT FOR YOU..



KID'S THESE DAY DON'T LISTEN TO ANYTHING
Nov 14 2014 10:18PM
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BaileyB
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Hey ns, quick question about din settings, my skis seem to always pop off whenever i land switch, while my dins are at around 6 (out of 12). I weigh around 155 lbs and ski mostly park, can someone recommend what to adjust em to so my skis will only fall off when absolutely necessary to avoid injury?
Nov 20 2014 11:37PM
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jackdonovan
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How far forward can fks move? I have a bsl of 318 right now but might move down to a 310 and don't want to remount
Sep 13 2015 8:09AM
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mattymagoo757
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I just got my skis mounted for 27.5 full tilt drop kicks but my boots are actually too small so I'm getting 28.5 drop kicks instead. . Will my skis need to be remounted?
Dec 14 2015 6:52PM
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TVRNTVPOOP
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BaileyBHey ns, quick question about din settings, my skis seem to always pop off whenever i land switch, while my dins are at around 6 (out of 12). I weigh around 155 lbs and ski mostly park, can someone recommend what to adjust em to so my skis will only fall off when absolutely necessary to avoid injury?

I'm not a shop tech so don't quote me on this but I like mine a little looser just cuz I play hockey and really don't need any injury. I put mine at about 9.5 and that's lucky for me. They pop off when needed but stay solid for hard landings
Feb 2 2016 6:50PM
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Jesse_
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BaileyBHey ns, quick question about din settings, my skis seem to always pop off whenever i land switch, while my dins are at around 6 (out of 12). I weigh around 155 lbs and ski mostly park, can someone recommend what to adjust em to so my skis will only fall off when absolutely necessary to avoid injury?


mccrakken.I'm not a shop tech so don't quote me on this but I like mine a little looser just cuz I play hockey and really don't need any injury. I put mine at about 9.5 and that's lucky for me. They pop off when needed but stay solid for hard landings


Still fucks with my mind that people, to this day are still giving binding recommendations based on nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Dec 4 2016 10:23PM
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Revelinyourstoke
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There should be a vetting process for certified techs because so many of these questions and responses scare the living shit out of me.
Dec 27 2016 9:14PM
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klibs
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I have read this entire thread and there are a few things I wonder about this... I really hope I get some good responses to this other than 'Don't be an IDIOT you HAVE to take your skis to a CERTIFIED TECH!!!'

Firstly I will note there are 3 stereotypes of people I see on here:
1 - People who think anyone who lets non-certified techs touch their skis are at risk / being unsafe
2 - People who crank their DINs for little to no reason
3 - People who slowly adjust their DINs based off of real-world experience while skiing

I am with group 3. Group 2 I think is being unsafe. Group 1 I understand... to an extent... Sure, I get why you should not take DIN advice from others online. But I need some convincing before I totally buy the 'OMG YOU NEED TO HAVE A TECH DO IT OR ELSE YOU ARE SCREWED' mentality that I just read a lot of. So I please ask you to explain the following...

When people get their bindings mounted and set by certified techs and then realize they are popping out too often what happens then?

Take skis back to certified tech... and... ? What are they going to do? If all factors like forward pressure are correct and they went by the chart for your height/weight/ability/boot size/etc... what do they do if the skier is still ejecting more than they like?

Do they bump up your DINs a bit? Do nothing and tell you that everything is fine? What basis would they have for recommendations on what to do? Aren't techs not 'allowed' to raise DINs beyond the charts they go by? What if these values conflict with the skiers actual experience on the slopes?

I wonder this because EVERY time I have had bindings mounted by shops my bindings are set too low for my liking. By quite a bit IMO. Certain things would cause me to eject when I really didn't want to. I have been injured this way FAR MORE OFTEN than my bindings not ejecting. To counter this I do what many others here do - slowly raise the DINs by like 1/4-1/2 until comfortable with the situations that make me eject. Now I ONLY eject when I need to based off of actual skiing. I have ejected ~10 times at my current DIN and every time I was glad my ski(s) came off. This is exactly what I wanted.

My stats for reference / if they matter:
Age 25 / 6' 165lbs / type 3 aggressive park skier / ~282mm BSL (i think) / look pivot 12 bindings
dinsetting.com says I should be at 8.5 with this info. I am pretty sure my skis come out of the shop at something closer to a 7-8... don't remember

Again, through experience the certified shop settings weren't working for me and I would release quite often when I did not want to (jump landings, sometimes gripping rails, etc) so I ride a 9.5 now.

SO:

How is going back to a tech for releasing too often any better than slowly raising my DIN settings myself? What additional value does this provide me?
Jan 5 2017 2:36PM
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MiredFlunks
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So I just got a pair of demo Kartel 98's with Tyrolla Attack 13 bindings. My question is that my boot size is probably a size or two larger than the binding was mounted for (29.5 instead of 27.5 for demos). When they adjust the bindings to fit my boot will it push me further back on the ski by that length or can I move the top and bottom piece equally to maintain the same center with a larger boot?

Thanks NS
May 2 2017 9:52PM
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tahntip
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If I buy bindings and have them mounted but my feet are still growing and say I buy bigger boots next year do i have to remount my bindings or is there wiggle room for adjustment.
Jan 14 2018 6:35PM
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