Global Warming In Effect

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@th1337

call me a hippie, but how the hell is saving the earth "some dumb shit"?

Dec 21 2006 1:49AM

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@th1337

oh, and to whoever says that they personally can make no difference needs to wake the fuck up. if everybody (or even a small portion of everybody) who thought that they can't make a difference, started to think that they could, there would be change. whether or not it would be immediately noticeable is another story. basically, start doing whatever you can to help in order to preserve our precious snow as long as possible.

Dec 21 2006 1:51AM

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berryhill

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Actually invest in iceland, in the next 50 years, iceland will have one of the biggest Gross Domestic Products of the world. Why might you ask. Well Ice is completely formed by volcanic acticvity and with volcanic activity is geothermic power. Geo thermic power produces a lot of hydrogen and thats what comes into play. As of right now, there are a couple of car companies, (mainly german) that have/are producing and/or developing both hydrogen fuel cell cars, and hydrogen intercombustion powered cars. We know the future. Some ask what can the government do. They answer is to increase government spending in the investment of developing these cars, and to stop denying and changing scientific evidence of global climate change. Iceland actually has proven hydrogen to work and has the only (i believe) hydrogen gas station in the world. The mercedes fuel cell van has actually filled up there and drove around the island. Stopping emissions of Co2 is imparetive to stop this trend of global climate change. As said above, it does need to be a local effort aswell as a national and international effort. Without the cooperation of countries like the US, we can never solve this problem. Catch a ride with someone, or ride a bike instead, whatever. A couple surfers actually started a company that converts diesel powered cars into vegetable oil powered cars that emit almost no Co2 into the environment and run like a diesel engine. Efforts like these will turn the tide on this battle of conservative new-born christians (no offense) and Environmentalists. Skiiers can help out in this effort just as surfers have. Save the mountains, save the snow, theres really not much left. well theres my 2 cents. bail

Dec 21 2006 2:27AM

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bighit

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word^

Dec 21 2006 3:23AM

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SN0WBOARDER

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global warming sucks

Dec 21 2006 10:08AM

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nice try, but a reader edited online "encyclopedia" is hardly a credible reference. Anyone who wants to can post whatever they want there. If you were to use wikipedia as a source for research on a paper or at work you would be laughed out of the building. The fact is, China does not report their CO2 emissions like the rest of the world does. If they did what you would see would match exactly what the World Health Organization found when doing air quality studies there: they have the dirtiest air and the most CO2 production than any other country. This is due to their massive population, rapid development and no regard to environmental policy. Put the kool aid down kid.

Dec 21 2006 10:29AM

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michael_bc

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Kid? I hope you realizing you're discussing with a PhD in electrical engineering here. (that's right, I compete in freeski and get an education at the same time)

How about you lay down some scientific evidence for your claim? Meanwhile, I provide you with this: "China is considered the second contributor to global greenhouse emissions and is projected to become largest contributor. China now for about 14% of global emissions carbon dioxide from fossil fuel compared to 23% for the U.S." - http://www.whrc.org/policy/climate_change/ActionPDF/WHRC9.1-China.pdf

Why would 3rd rate counties like China even begin to bother if a rich ass high-tech nation such as the USA does fuckall (i.e. US car industry is pathetic). China is a disaster, great, but so is the USA and I'm looking forward to seeing a peer reviewed paper provided by you proving otherwise (i.e. in comparison to Japan, Europe, etc..)

Dec 21 2006 11:02AM

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ogou0287

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some true, some false...USA is the greatest polluter, no doubt. but they do it for the economy. btw. do you guys seriously think that we can go in space, but cannot have a good alternative energy consuming vehicle? its just bullshit again. oil companies just buy the inventions trademarks for a lot of $$$ so they keep on making huge $$$ and nobody can build those cars. most politician are the same. $$ before the world. think about it you could save many lives by donating your$ to poor people in africa and such. but who would honestly do this? its the same with the government and pollution

Dec 21 2006 12:55PM

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waynewong

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yap yap yap ...

Chicken Little, "The sky is falling the sky is falling"

In the 60's Communism was going to end the world and we were certain that we were headed towards an atomic world war

In the 70's the same scientists that are yelling now yelled about a pending ice age

In the 80's it was ozone this ozone that

Now its Global Warming

argue all you want, but the earth cycles - and every civilization that has experienced such fluctuations has thought that it was the end of the world - we are NO different

From 900bc to 1300ad the world was much warmer - crops flourished around the world - humanity started to achieve great things

From 1400ad to 1800 - the climate got very cold - crops failed, people died, famines, plauges, religous extremism, mass migrations, etc...

Now we are in a warming trend again - we are thriving, but because humanity is so short sighted we forget the past 1000 years and freak out when we have a warm winter -

get the fuck over it - and just enjoy your life

Dec 21 2006 1:09PM

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RMUDEEP

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until the U.S. becomes involved, KYOTO doesn't matter...the U.S. has, by far, the highest CO2 emissions comparitively. Even if one is to dismiss the recent surges in C02 and, consequently, temperature being caused by fossil fuel burning, etc., and say that this is a natural cycle, CO2 cannot be ruled out for augmenting the "natural" figures. Also, if this is truly cyclical, with the levels as high as they are now, the decrease in temperature would be greater than any previous recorded one and we would be in the midst of the worst ice age ever....hard to ski when you, let alone mountains, are buried. nordic skiing sucks, too.

Dec 21 2006 2:54PM

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@th1337

you.......................................... are ignorant.

global warming and the ozone are the same problem and the communist thing was the 50's; and they didn't believe it would be the end of the world anyways. it was just a threat that a few people got made examples out of.

Dec 21 2006 3:11PM

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Colt45er

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if you..........take a look at the graph...... it doesnt go up and down, it is going to be a solid line for a while, and will continuely increase as time goes on.

Dec 21 2006 3:41PM

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YodelChaz

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wayne wong is such a noob

Dec 21 2006 3:45PM

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waynewong

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To quote your fifth grade essay - "From recent studies, it has shown that Global Warming is becoming a big problem. The cause of the Human-Induced component of warming are the increase of Carbon Dioxide (CO2). They are released by the burning of fossil fuels such as Lights, Coal, Oil and Gas. So for all us skiiers, we should work together and stop this devistation by proventing the burning of Fossil Fuels!!"

a. It is skiers not SKIIERS
b. It is devestation not DEVISTATION
c. It is preventing not Proventing
d. Lights are a fossil fuel?

But to the meat of this rant -

People like yourself fail to understand the larger picture and soley focus on simpleton data and misleading stats.

1. Ok CO2 has increased since 1850 - AND????? what is a significant increase, what do those numbers mean? What about historical data - the Earth is Billions of years old - basing your hypothesis on .00000001% of our geohistory is ignorant and misleading. Infering causation is sad! I could say that there has been an exponential increase in the number of tofu pups sold at Safeway and creatw the same graph and place it next to yours, are they related? No! But I can make a fancy graph that looks all official.

2. Wow...the line goes up??? and? How does that affect us? Really, there is more CO2? What else has happened other than the industrial revolution since 1850? Oh wait, it must be those darn humans again, ruining everything...

Alarmist propaganda is simple nonsense - Now call me ignorant, but I would bet a season pass to the mountain of your choice that I have a much higher level of education and a deaper scientific background than most on this site.

I personally believe that human action is causing damage to our planet - But simpleton crys of the sky is falling make ZERO sense....and historical data refutes many of the arguements/talking piints presented on this forum.

Dec 21 2006 4:05PM

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Crazy Fool

By jove i think he's on to something!

Dec 21 2006 4:16PM

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Colt45er

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your......really cool

Dec 21 2006 4:32PM

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Crazy Fool

you're... not that great at spelling.

Dec 21 2006 4:38PM

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YodelChaz

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wayne, im just confused do u believe that humans cause global warming, or not?

Dec 21 2006 4:42PM

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Crazy Fool

I believe waynewong has much of the same opinion as i do:

"I personally believe that human action is causing damage to our planet", but the new trend in crying global warming is going way overboard.

We do not ave sufficient data to say that we are the sole generator of "enhanced greenhouse effect".

The fact that people are saying "OMG GLOBAL WARMINGGG 11!11!!!" because they are getting less snow than last year is ridiculous. Weather doe snot alternate over such preiod of time in any convincing way.

I believe that human emissions of greenhouse gases is having an effect. How drastic it is compared to what we are seeing is something that i do not yet fully buy from the people crying al gore.

I believe it was petek who said it: we are coming out of an ice age, glaciers melting is actually normal... we just might be speeding up the return to normality.

Dec 21 2006 5:03PM

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Loner

First of all... really impressed with your degree! How dare I question someone who studies electrical circuits on the topic of climatology?!? Maybe later we can compare my MBA, JD and years of real life WORK experience and see who has a better view of how the world works, not just the inside of a commodore 64.

Listen KID, I'm glad that over in Europe you have the government to hold your hand and spoon feed you while you pursue your education. Over here in America we do it a little differently; we dont put people out of work to sign a piece of paper that is completely unenforceable, and irrational. You see, Americans work. That's why we're at the top of the economic food chain. The never ending quest to find the best goods and services at the cheapest price will always trump the importance of signing a cerimonial pollution document.

Dont get me wrong, we aren't anti-environment, we just refuse to hamstring ourselves, our income, our economy, and our lives to please the rest of the world. We continue to make strides towards a cleaner planet and our, as you put it "rich ass high-tech nation", will do it on our own through innovation and necessity. As I told you before our constant need to supply consumers with the best product will drive us to a cleaner country and planet. If the public wants hybrid cars (by the way hybrids were the fastest growing segment of the auto market this year) companies will scramble to produce them. It's the same with anything else. That's why capitalism is the only economic system that has stood the test of time, we have incentive and a vested interest to supply products, regulations, and laws that the public and consumers want. If Dodge doesn't make a hybrid, their sales will hurt. If a congressman doesn't vote for reduced coal emmissions then his chances of re-election will be hurt. If people want a cleaner planet, it will happen, but it wont happen if it's forced upon them.

I believe we have some of the most beautiful land, water and sky on the planet, and alot more of it than most every country on earth so of course we have a lot more to lose. We know this and are taking steps to ensure we dont damage or lose any of it. Just because Americans dont drink the sky-is-falling-inconvenient-truth-day-after-tomorrow kool-aid doesn't mean we don't care about the environment, we're just more realistic about it.

Oh yeah, as tempting as it is to accept your challenge of writing a paper, I think I'll pass, dork. Seriously, if that is how you debate, I'd love to see how you try and get laid. Get back to your dungeons and dragons game and let the big kids deal with the big problems...

Dec 21 2006 5:51PM

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tribefan226

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i dont really think there is much truth to global warming. i live in ohio near cincinnati and the small ski area that i go to has to make about 95% of its snow. last year thety had their earliest opening ever and this year they opened even earlier than that. two years ago we had the biggest snowstorm in cincinnati's history.

Dec 21 2006 6:04PM

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tribefan226

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my math teacher found a study done by the U.N. that says cow farts put out like 10 times as much hydrocarbons as human activity
so its the fucking cows faults

Dec 21 2006 6:08PM

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JackBach

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hahahahahahahaahahaha

You are my favorite person yet again.

Dec 22 2006 1:03AM

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derbski

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hold on, you wanna know whats most important?

WHY THE HELL ARE WE TALKING POLITICS IN THE SKI GABBER???
i know it has to do with snow, but

Dec 22 2006 1:28AM

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@th1337

I believe in Global Warming and being real and all.............. but that's bullshit. Cows, at least some breeds, can't "relieve" their gas. A ranch hand at my grandfathers ranch used to have to go around sticking this pole thing inside their stomach's to let built up gas out. That whole cow's and methane myth is bullshit. Global Warming however, is not. The cow thing is just used (in my opinion) to take some of the guiltiness off of us humans. By saying it's not entirely our fault, we do not feel ashamed to continue taking advantage of the earth we live on.

Dec 22 2006 2:27AM

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@th1337

and somebody please move this out of the ski gabber.

Dec 22 2006 2:28AM

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michael_bc

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Dude, I want you to show me scientific evidence that the USA isn't the most polluting nation in the world, not write it yourself.

Because we can 'debate' like this for ever, it's a waste of time. I'm a scientist: I want to see facts then I'll believe you. So instead of writing that frustrated, derogatory rant, which won't convince anyone, just show me where you got your facts????

And all your stupid assumptions. You think I have time to play computer games while I combine my PhD with 4 full days of skiing per week summer and winter??? And in case you didn't notice, I'm American. I just live in Switzerland now.

But yeah keep believing you'll win an argument by resorting to ad hominem attacks about my social life. It's funny really.

Dec 22 2006 3:22AM

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michael_bc

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and to further shit on your ad hominem attacks

electrical engineers: who do you think design those hybrid engines?

top of the economic food chain: EU has a bigger economy.

test of time: in a USA vs. Europe argument? you're joking right?

Dec 22 2006 3:33AM

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Crazy Fool

EU = 25 countries. USA = one.

He meant capitalism, which, if i remember correctly, is what most european nations use.

Dec 22 2006 7:53AM

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Loner

Thanks, yes capitalism is what was meant.

Just a correction though, most EU countiries are socialist. The goverment controls many industries and companies. It's kind of like welfare for a nation.

Dec 22 2006 11:32AM

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Loner

just to clarify to everyone, our PhD candidate here is saying personal attacks when he flaunts his new favorite word "ad hominem".

top of the food chain? Now I know you have no economic sense. EU as pointed out is not one country. Show me someone who has a bigger GDP than the US and then I'll start accepting your economic arguments. And oh yeah, when I say test of time, it's because capitalism works. Americans dont need to rely on government funded industry and 55% taxes to help keep everyone on the government nipple like socialist europe does.

As for you making hybrid engines, great. Hope you make alot of them. If the market demands it, you should be fine.

Dec 22 2006 11:38AM

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not truly socialist though... their economic model is based more or less capitalist. The government does not control everything.

Dec 22 2006 11:41AM

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Loner

you're right, it varies country by country. If you look at France compared to a Czech Republic for example, both are free market economies, however in France energy, transportation, even some auto producers are controlled by the state.

Dec 22 2006 11:45AM

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Sweden is perhaps the most socialist state.

But look at France, they wanted to make their markets more competitive to get them out of their long running slump with the CPE law, but that crashed and burned... Many countries WANT something closer to the american market in terms of competitiveness and strength, and it clashes with socialist views.

But anyways, back to "Enhanced Greenhouse Effect".

Dec 22 2006 11:57AM

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you better back up that claim

Dec 22 2006 1:00PM

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