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Quote in October Issue of 'Skiing' Making fun of Orage Masters: Thoughts?

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BC-Steeze
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Hey Guys,
Stumbled on this Quote in this past October issue of "Skiing" Magazine:

"Lions and Tigers and Bro's, Oh My!" "We love "Progression" and all forms of new-schoolery. But a closed-to-the-public bro-fest full of so much self-love that it verges on a circle jerk? Thats where we draw the line. Such was the 2006 Orage Masters Competition held last May in Mammoth, California. Advertised as "skiing's anti-comp", it featured 9 pro teams, who dressed in elaborate costumes to help them revel in their own radness -if you think The Wizard of Oz is Rad." This blurb was followed by a photo of Simon Dumont boosting out of the pipe in a Lion costume with the caption: "Simon Dumont: In Search of some Courage."

Now everyone before the all-out massacre of Skiing Magazine that I'm sure is to follow this post ensues, I'm trying to keep a subjective and balanced viwepoint here, do you think this is just Skiing magazine being overly harsh and disrespecful, or are they making a somewhat valid (if poorely stated) point? As easy as it is bto dismiss "skiing" as a stodgy close-minded magazine for rich middle-aged bald guys from the midwest with Condo's in Beaver Creek, they do occasionally produce some great articles and photos, some of which I dare say almost compete with Freeskier. So what are everyone's thoughts on this? Regardless I think we can all agree that Simon Dumont is farrrr from needing to find some Courage. I'd like to see the author of that article sack-up and pull a cork 5 out of the pipe in a LION SUIT nonetheless!! :) :)

Best regards,
Phil.
Nov 26 2006 8:16PM
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chrismoJBEATS
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i realy dont know what to say, i guess they kinda have a point there
but the whole anti comp is kinda cool
Nov 26 2006 8:18PM
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dweezileast
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I think they are totally out of their element to say that. I don't know what is with the "bro-ing" they talk about, but that is not representative of how most people conduct themselves. They have no right to say that, and it is ironic, because the real "bros" seem to be themselves.
Nov 26 2006 8:30PM
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whattheshit
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they forget skiing is about having fun.  and i suppose the caption could have been "courage found" but maybe they don't have an imagination and were trying to be too literal.
Nov 26 2006 8:31PM
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.hazen.
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I think there's a point there, but what's wrong with skiing with a bunch of friends who are really really ridiculously good? Just because it's mostly dudes doesn't mean you have to portray it as a testosterone fest. Isn't that exactly what every other sport is?
Nov 26 2006 8:33PM
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ry.will
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they have a decent point presented in an extremely poor way.
Nov 26 2006 8:34PM
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quebecfreestyler
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wow,they didnt realise that riders had a lo of fun skiing thatday, that's sad.
Nov 26 2006 8:36PM
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tjski
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i dont understand it much i guess, i mean why would "skiing" make fun of a competition just for fun, i mean thats what skiing is all about is fun.
Nov 26 2006 8:36PM
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bobs
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i think they missed the entire point of the masters.
Nov 26 2006 8:36PM
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n80
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The author is just bashing on the pro's in a similar way that everyone bashes people on this site. I don't think it even matters if the skier is amazing. Certain people if they don't like something have to try to put it down whether it be clothing style, equipment, etc.
Nov 26 2006 8:39PM
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quebecfreestyler
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and 3 dudes for 1 girl ratio is a non realistic ratio of male / female when we talk about newschool skiing..
so it's not a dude fest at all.

i hope they realise they kmissed the point.
Nov 26 2006 8:39PM
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Peter.
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wow skiing magazine is usually chill with the Newschool comps, and i dont see any reason to bash the masters
Nov 26 2006 8:45PM
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ski8990
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I dont get how the whole idea of just having fun and being goofy translates into a "bro-down" for pumping themselves up and inflating egos. Where did they get that idea?
Nov 26 2006 8:45PM
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triebby
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are you serious? what a fuckin bunch of up tight douchebags. its for fun and entertainment value. they are fuckin retarted. i usually tend to side with the old school and magazines like powder on some issues with newschool, but that is just fucking retarted.
Nov 26 2006 9:12PM
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00000000
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thats why i love sbc skier
Nov 26 2006 9:46PM
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dwalk
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they tried to make a joke out of the comp for people who have never heard of it, which is most of their readers.
Nov 26 2006 9:49PM
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*DrewT*
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it doesn't seem like they can even understand the concept of the competition. It's just there to have fun, it's like a way for the pro's to wrap up the season in a good way without having to worry about anything
Nov 26 2006 9:52PM
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poofartpee
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SKIING MAG SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY WERE U READING THAT SHIT IN THE FIRST PLACE?!
Nov 26 2006 10:12PM
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404404
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Skiing is a good mag better then freeskier, and they have a good point. Underground, with a bunch of exposure and prizes.......
Nov 26 2006 10:19PM
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bigwhite.steeze
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eh skiing kinda sucks just a bunch of racers anyways...
Nov 26 2006 11:04PM
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TWoods
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That was totally out of proportion and blatantly making fun of the masters. I was there... it's pretty much the most fun thing I have ever done skiing related... everyone is just having so much fun, and is so stoked on everything, and mammoth does a sick job with the park and taking care of everyone... it's just all around an awesome event, and skiing magazine can fuck off.
Nov 26 2006 11:14PM
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timoski
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valid point or not...."skiing" mag still super gay
Nov 26 2006 11:39PM
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stinkypoodangle
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did you read the article on tanner in the same issue? that has some good stuff in it also.
Nov 26 2006 11:48PM
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D-40
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are you saying its bad to be from the midwest

Nov 27 2006 12:16AM
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Jib_This
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I think it's time you stop reading shitty magazines.
Nov 27 2006 12:55AM
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Swick825
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i thought skiing was supposed ot be fun. i guess not, apparently its all 100% serious competition all the time.
Nov 27 2006 1:06AM
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ESB
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What the fuck does Skiing magazine know about the Masters — or about anything, for that matter? I'm sure some halfwit editor saw a photo of Simon and thought, "Oh, this'll be something good to make fun of." Maybe they're just pissed because noone invited them to the "bro-fest."
Nov 27 2006 3:24AM
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rodenski5
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what do they mean by "closed-to-the-public?" Are they saying it sucks because its not an open? Because other than that it wasn't closed...I sat right on the side of the run.

But seriously wtf @ the whole thing? Why would you hate on the masters...there's nothing negative about it...
Nov 27 2006 5:18AM
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theoz
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Skiing magazine fukin Sucks Royal Fuckin cock, they run gay photos, put shots of people skiing fukin groomed runs with gay style in neon spyder Suits, and Represents everything that almost KILLED SKIING..
Nov 27 2006 6:35AM
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simmers
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they have a point. it's not poorly stated. it's very well stated. it made me laugh even though it was directly talking shit on people like me.

chill out. have a sense of humor. and realize that there is much more to skiing than the little corner of it that we live in. and there are many different types of people in the world besides the limber, narcissistic, recognition-hungry stuntmen that we all are.
Nov 27 2006 7:48AM
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SkierX
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...

Just want to make sure everyone see what this guy said...


It is spot on.

If you doubt it, go look at one of the many threads about the new front page.
Nov 27 2006 7:52AM
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FUUUCK
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and here i was thinking "skiing" was becoming a respectable magazine
Nov 27 2006 9:30AM
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TimothyLord
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me either

Nov 27 2006 9:54AM
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DannyMac
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fuck skiing magazine

they should stick to doing articles on gigantic mountain homes and overpriced SUVs for yuppies
Nov 27 2006 10:42AM
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DiamondC
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i think they are just pissed at how big freestyle is becoming, its prolly taking away from some of there revenue. non the less, i dont think anyone should doubt dumonts courage.... maybe read the article in the october freeskier about how dumont knocked the fuck outt of a 6'6 sweedish dude. oh ya and for all who didnt know... hes around 5'3 and he hucks like mad. id like to see his criticstry to pull some of the shit he does
Nov 27 2006 10:59AM
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eastAR5
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skiing Mag is ing gay . they always have articles hating on either tanner or something else
Nov 27 2006 11:02AM
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Crock360
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haha author of this thread was right: it just turned into a bunch of ignorant posts bashing Skiing magazine. 

I think what most of you guys have failed to realize is that the quote in question was written by one man's opinion. He gave an editorial on what he felt was a joke of an event, and to an outsider; c'mon if you saw a bunch of guys tooling around in animal costumes wouldn't your first impression be that they were kinda stupid?

The author doesn't represent Skiing mag as a whole, so stop saying Skiing sucks. If you dont like it, dont read it. It's a decent magazine for what it is. Saying it sucks because it doesn't necessarily agree with everything "newschoolish" as it said, or because it doesn't focus just on the side of the sport we enjoy the most doesn't mean it sucks. Baby-boomers are still the largest demographic, and not only do magazines and such target them, but resorts do too. Why do you think that resorts that used to be known for their untamed terrain are now groomed to death? Because they're getting too old to be "hot dogging" and love the corderoy. 

I happen to think this whole "gangsta" culture is a bunch of stupidity, but I'm not going to go out of my way to restrict someone's personal expression. However, i may write an editorial that gives my opinion; MY opinion, and wouldn't be the opinion of the magazine that printed it.
Nov 27 2006 11:08AM
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DannyMac
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so the clown that was quoted is allowed to have an opinion but we aren't

Nov 27 2006 11:41AM
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Badfish2
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most people probably fail to even see skiing as a magazine because it's 90% ads and inserts... so don't worry about one's guys opinion.

Nov 27 2006 11:53AM
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RustyPlanks
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YOU ARE ALL IDIOTS!! Thank you for your time.
Nov 27 2006 12:56PM
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Pigletpen
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the only thing I dont like about the masters is that its called the "anti-comp"
theres prizes and teams, and teams competing for prizes. That being the one off defintion of competition.
Other than that, it looks like fun.
Coool features and costumes. woot!
Skier or skiing or whatever it is isnt a very good magazine. They always talk about the same thing. They dont seem to get that some people like to ski park, some people like to crash gates, and some people like to snowplow down garbage heaps in saskatchewan.
Its all good aint it?
Nov 27 2006 1:19PM
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waynewong
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Holy shit a magazine targeted for baby-boomer skiers rags on "newschool skiing". Get off your fucking high horses and deal with it. Skiing is much bigger than just the park, and if your parents can't make fun of you, who can?

You are not that cool...and yes we are ALL laughing at your xxxxl pants, b-ball jersey and ganster attitude.
Nov 27 2006 1:26PM
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papasteeze
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<grin>

Nov 27 2006 1:46PM
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Badfish2
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:D
Nov 27 2006 2:49PM
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AdrenalineGarage
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My friend described "Skiing" best... It's a magazine written by people who have just experienced puberty for those looking forward to the experience.
Nov 27 2006 7:31PM
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ESB
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Speak for yourself Symms. On limberness personally, I can't touch my toes; and on narcissism generally, not every NSer has a signature taking up 40-some lines. ;)

While I always appreciate the thoughtful posts of NS old-timers and I consider myself at the ripe old age of 22 to be one, I can't agree with you guys on this one. Sure, not everyone is the same, and sure, Skiing magazine pampers to baby-boomers who have no clue what the Masters is and like to laugh at a skier dressed up in a lion suit. But that doesn't mean that Skiing magazine should feel empowered to mock something that it really knows nothing about. Based on personal experience with Skiing mag editors and the few times I've read their mag, I'm almost 100% sure that their criticism of the Masters is based almost entirely on that single photo: "A freestyle skier in a lion suit, let's make fun of him." I don't think anyone would disagree that the Masters is one of the most fun and unconventional events around, and I think whoever wrote that took a real cheap shot for cheap laughs. I'm not getting up in arms about it because I don't expect anything better from Skiing anyway; I'm just a bit disappointed by the magazine that was supposedly trying to make a move into our little branch of skiing. I mean, these are the guys who are running the U.S. Open.

Crock360, your point would be valid if the writer hadn't conspicuously used the pronoun "we" several times. "We" doesn't work too well in an editorial stating someone's personal opinion.

Waynewong, your posts always crack me up, but I don't think this has anything to do with XXXL pants and gangsta culture.

And last but not least, the guy ripped on The Wizard of Oz. I don't think you can sink much lower than that. :)


Nov 29 2006 7:03AM
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TWoods
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Skiing magazine said that Park City was the 17th best place to ride POWDER in the U.S. Based on that alone, I would classify it as a "suck" magazine.
Nov 29 2006 7:20AM
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ESB
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Bueller..... Bueller.............. Bueller.............. ????
Nov 29 2006 6:15PM
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chairdawg
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i think they have orage masters just to have a fun way to close up the season for the pro's
Nov 29 2006 6:34PM
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SmoothLikeButter
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check out the ratio for mens soccer im pretty sure its MUCH worse. lets see 22 guys on the field to 0 girls sounds gay to me
Nov 29 2006 6:44PM
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