quinny how can you attack the credibility of the sources when you dont watch anything or read anything i post. i for a fact know that ralph nader and ryan dawson are both more highly educated then you. i cant give you the name,college and grades of every person who is involved in the 9/11 truth movement. loose change is a shitty video and pollutes the 9/11 truth movements credibility,motives and dedication. this is something ryan dawson said that i think sums it up pretty much.
I am so sick of having to explain away the utter nonsense that is attached to the truth about 911. Everything from Space aliens and reptilian fish people, to neo-Nazi groups have attached themselves to the 911 conspiracy. It is a classic tactic of deceivers to purposely leak disinformation which will mix truth with lies in order to discredit the truth. Don't fall for disinformation. And don't just follow every word someone says, people like Chomsky
and others are not always right.
The 911 movement is splintered and factionalized. Different camps passionately hold to their theories. (but a large piec is missing, a large body of evidence is being ignore)Let me give some credit where credit is due before I try to merge these theories based on the strongest information from different thinkers. I would like to merge the 911 theories and hopefully you guys will check this out yourselves and see how this accounts for the most inclusive picture. (constructive criticism welcome)
We have a lot of half truths floating around about the NWO. So I thought I would clear some things up. Most of you seem to know the facts that there is a video for, but the whole picture still has not been said. So for those of you who read, let me just drop a few facts on you and you can look it up yourself.
First off 911 was an inside job, bombs were in the towers, and most of you can recite the arguments for that in your sleep. Building number seven
is the smoking gun on that one. The 911 commission did not even address it
and the steel from the towers was quickly carted off
by trucks and sold to China through Metal Managment Inc owned by the Zionist Jew Alan Ratner. Alex Jones has done a great job on covering that side of the 911 story. (The Building 7 side of the story but not the Israeli connection) This guy is a trail blazer, hell he predicted the 911 strike back in July 25th of 2001
. He did not say when it would happen, but he said they would use Osama Bin Laden as a patsy and they would run air planes into the WTC. He was also the first to make a video
documentary about 911.
Michael Rupert of From The Wilderness
had the information about the put-options
and economic anomalies posted as soon as September 12th one day after the event.
The question arises, “Who did it and when” was it just a faction of Neocons in our government? Or was their assistance from a foreign government? Whose interests did they have in mind? Sites like WRH
have been the best in addressing this side of the story.
Let’s look at the History of PNAC
and combine that knowledge with the recent trials of AIPAC
the Niger Gate
(the Libby trial
) and the pulled Fox News Report
of the Israeli spy ring and the infamous 5 dancing
Israelis. One pioneer who has been all over this angle from the beginning and has had up to date information on the ensuing trial is this guy,
Justin Raimondo of anti-war.com
See the Israeli Art Students section.
Justin wrote a book Terror Enigma: 9/11 And the Israeli Connection
that will tell you more than you want to know about it. It is a short book but well worth the buy.
I propose that 911 was an inside job carried out by Neocons moles in the US government who work for the interest a foreign government(Israel) or rather what that government serves
which is the international bankers and the military industrial complex
. And it is not in the interests of Israel or America. Israel is a cashcow
for the MIC. 911 and the resulting wars were done in the interest of the Israeli Lobby
which is backed by the age old method of profiteering by Christian fanatics and Straussian globalists. Israel is waist deep in 911 and Evagelism is waist deep in Israel. Ask yourself, if it was an inside job, then where did the anthrax letters come from after 911 if not from the same cabal that orchestrated it? And why did the letters read “DEATH TO AMERICA DEATH TO ISRAEL
”? Was this an attempt to link America's enemies with Israel's? Israel was caugh in a flase flag opperations before where they tried to blame Arab patsies. Check out the Lavon Affair
When were the bombs put in the towers? Ask yourself that. Then who was caught working for a fake moving company (a front for the Mossad)in New Jersey after they were spotted dancing and taking pictures of themselves smiling with the backdrop of the burning towers? What same moving company was in the WTC towers when the power was cut off for days prior to 911? Oh yes the power to the WTC was cut off prior to 911 and the security cameras were down. (think Al Qaeda did that?)
According to Scott Forbes, a senior database administrator for Fiduciary Trust, Inc. – a high-net investment bank which was later acquired by Franklin Templeton – this is precisely what took place. Forbes, who was hired by Fiduciary in 1999 and is now stationed at a U.K. branch office, was working on the weekend of September 8-9, 2001, and said that his company was given three weeks advance notice that New York’s Port Authority would take out power in the South Tower from the 48th floor up. The reason: the Port Authority was performing a cabling upgrade to increase the WTC’s computer bandwidth
Did you know PNAC flowered from the Israeli Clean Break
papers out of Tel Aviv? Why are the co-authors Zionists Jews who have histories of spying for Israel such as Richard Perle and Doug Feith? How come AIPAC can be caught spying
on the US and there is NO mention of it in the media including Alex Jones ect (as far as I know). They have never even brought it up! It would ruin the theories that "Bush did it" from the films. And Bush did do it, but he was a puppet of his Zionist handlers because Bush is a Christian bigot
DISIFO BY OMISSION (probably due to fear)
When Alex Jones was asked
by Allen Colmes of Fox, Who did it and how did they get away with it in the media? Alex stumbled over himself saying well you have to look at who authored PNAC and then went on to list high profile figures who have spoken out pretty much avoiding the question. Maybe he was just excited to name the people he wanted so say in a rare short interview on the mainstream. Well, In a way Alex did answer the question, because it was planned by the authors of PNAC as was the Iraq war. But it is a deathnail to plainly state that PNAC came out of Israel and stems from Israeli policy papers and was pushed for by a crowd that is overwhelmingly disproportionately Jewish-Zionists most of whom have histories if soying for Israel or are currently caught up on charges (like Lewis Libby) for using the OSP to lie to push PNAC's stated goals. And of course the Mossad story, the spy ring, and Niger forgeries, are simply dropped from the picture. Jones knows who the real power is and to stay on the air he will not directly mention them.
This is huge. Can you imagine if any other government was caught spying on the US in a time of War? Imagine what would happen if Iran was caught doing the same thing.
Ever wonder how the bombs were put in the towers? Did you know the President's brother had a moving company in the towers and building 7 in the weeks prior to 911? Did you know that that moving company was Israeli (Urban Moving systems) and Israelis were caught on 911 taking pictures of themselves to the backdrop of the burning towers and laughing? They were arrested and the address for their moving company
(yes the same one) turned up a front for the Mossad
, it was an abandoned warehouse in New Jersey. (They were released by the FBI when Ashcroft put a lid on it, and they went back to Israel). Their van had traced of explosives in it, box cutters, thousands in cash, and hilighted maps of New York. When tested they failed polyagraph tests which are 98% accurate. WRH has been on the frontlines with this story.
It was clearly a Mossad opperation.
1. The Israeli "movers" cheered the 9-11 attacks to celebrate the successful accomplishment of the greatest spy operation ever pulled off in history.
2. One of them, or an accomplice, then calls a 9-1-1 police dispatcher to report Palestinian bomb-makers in a white van headed for the Holland Tunnel.
3. Having thus pre-framed the Palestinians with this phone call, the Israeli bombers then head for the George Washington Bridge instead, where they will drop off their time-bomb van and escape with Urban Moving accomplices.
4. But the police react very wisely and proactively by closing off ALL bridges and tunnels instead of just the Holland Tunnel. This move inadvertently foils the Israelis' misdirection play and leads to their own capture and 40 day torture.
5. To cover up this story, the U.S. Justice Department rounds up over 1000 Arabs for minor immigration violations and places them in New York area jails. The Israelis therefore become less conspicuous as the government and media can now claim that the Israelis were just immigration violators caught in the same dragnet as many other Arabs.
6. After several months, FBI and Justice Department "higher-ups" are able to gradually push aside the local FBI agents and free the Israelis quietly.
Go and read all of it.
Look 911 was not carried about by Devil Worshipers or the Queen of England. 911 was the work of the Israeli Mossad and its Neocon moles in the US government. The back bone of Zionism organized religion, it is fanatical Jews and Christians. More money goes to fund the Israeli occupation from Evangelical Christian churches than from the government even. (One church (Presbyterians) actually divested more money
from Israel than what our government gives then in two years worth of foreign aid.) If we could only get other chuches to follow...
I know people will say that Pat Robertson is not a *real* Christian. News flash Yes he is. Is he a BAD Christian? Absolutely! But to say he does not hold the minimal believes in a savior, a god, the creation story, and all that other biblical mess is not true, because he and his millions of brain-dead followers DO believe in all that crap. In fact it is one of the main motivations help Zionism because they think they must create conditions to fulfill Biblical prophecies. (making Jerusalem Jewish being one of those.)
Now if you just want to say that they do not follow some of the teachings of Christ then you are absolutely right. But then again basically no one does. Face it, All of Bush's support come from the 30 or so percent of the country that are Christian fanatics. Religion breeds authoritarianism. What would Israel do without the tens of billions it receives from Christian churches? It would fall apart. I am not saying that Christianity is to blame for what these evil idiots do. I am saying that a Religion is not intrinsically good or bad. Religion is more like a car, and the behavior of the car depends on the driver. It seems like Moderate Christians are psychologically unable to face up to the fact that their own religion is being used to stuff the war-mongers pockets and finance aggression all over the world [as it has since its invention]. So they invent groups like a secretly atheist illuminati and even alien invasion etc, anything, to create a blame shift.
It was the Zionists. Here is the other thing Alex NEVER talks about, Israel being involved. And they were the ones who fricking did it. look here
I think the likes of those like Jeff Rense
(a radio host who admits 911 was an inside job and has quite a following) is possibly a Real Patriot (or possible a disinfo agent) but not a critical thinker when it comes to ghosts and space aliens. That stuff HURTS the credibility. It is goofier than Zodiac signs. The site is still OK and you can pick out the real information from the entertainment (aka making money) stuff.
I am not saying that secret societies do not exist or that non-secret organizations (like the CIA) don’t carry out secret actions for the government. They do happen, and they have been around for a long time. Ranging from the Black Hand
, to the America’s Know Nothings
nations have always had groups of secrecy and privilege. The Bilderbergs is a great example.
One can not say that conspiracies simply don’t exist or can not happen. Hell the `19 hijackers theory` (where the BBC reports
hijackers some of the same hijackers turned up alive) of 911 is a conspiracy theory, so one is forced to believe in one conspiracy theory or another. People will ask how could something so big be kept a secret? How could the press not uncover it? Conspiracies happen all the time,. I'll give you a recent example. Just look he Iran Contra
affair was a secret government and CIA operation that included thousands of people, involved multiple countries, and used up billions of dollars. This conspiracy happened in your life time (unless you are under 15). This scandal involved some of the very same neocons that are in office today. Familiar readers of anti-neocons are aware of the Libby/Rich/Clinton connections. (listen to it on the radio
But this brings me to the disinformation wave. A couple of stinkers have come up. One is the Bohemian Grove tie in, which has been attributed to worshipers of Moloch and the Christian Devil. Ever think about the Grove connections worshipping Moloch could be related to the Bavli Talmud: the Jewish text from Babylon? It's not the devil they follow it’s the Bavli Talmud; these people are Hardcore Zionists. (Guess who else was a Mizrahi Jew?...Mayer Amschel Rothschild) That is why they enjoy billions of dollars from Christian fanatics like Pat Robertson. This argument takes some time so go here
if you need that to be cleared up. Is there a Satanic (or atheist) illuminati? NOPE It is the very opposite, the illuminati (as you guys think of it, the term is being used incorrectly) is the Zionist, not a German death cult. It is just a bunch of greedy, but god fearing, Christians and Jews at the Grove. Simply put, a religion is not what makes people good or bad; people are what make a religion good or bad.
Thanks in large part to a music video called Pentagon Strike
, We now have a `no plane hit the pentagon` crowd. Look if a plane did hit the pentagon and they show that then it will debunk the entire 911 story. Did you ever think the FBI might have taken the tapes away in order to create such a story? Here are some arguments
against the no plane theory. I have to agree. But this is a mute point. Let’s stick with the more damning evidence and that is the WTC 1,2, and 7 attacks/detonations.
911 is undeniably tied to the war in Iraq. It is obvious to any thinking person how the 911 tragedy was used to justify by deception the war in Iraq. We know that the WMDs claims were lies
not just mistaken intelligence. Now the question arises, who lied? Who set up and makes up the OSP? All roads lead to Israel.
Half True disinfo
MORE DISINFO BY OMISSION
We have the Chomsky ‘this war is all for oil crowd’. And also Rupert's Peak Oil crowd. Oil was A reason for the wars but not THE reason. Chomsky and the like are very good at pointing out the big oil interests of the Iraq war and the petro-dollar interests with Iran. We get two camps, the ‘it’s about oil' and the ‘it’s about Israel’s safety’ crowd. Look, the corporatists and the Zionists overlap. The thing is, THIS war party is so clearly made up of Zionists. But no one seems to catch the overlapping interests of the corporations (namely the largest one the MIC) and the Zionists.
As I pointed out on KUCI
they don't give a damn about Jews or any of that, nor does the Lobby. They just care about money, but what safe guards
them from criticism IS the religious angle. Corporations could not get away with it if they didn't have their all powerful anti-Semitism shield of protection around them and they would not have the hundreds of billions of dollars in extra backing from Christian religious factions without the religion/race card played by the Zionists. So it is multi-layered. The fact that Zionists wrote, planned for the war in Iraq as far back as 1992
, and then actively played a part in spewing the pre-invasion disinformation
makes it rather obvious to me who is in the front seat and who is cheering from the back seat between the Zionist and the energy companies.
If you want to know how the Libby/Niger-gate tie into the warmonger’s plans for Iran then listen to my radio interview
. 911 and the resulting wars were planned in PNAC. I have gone through each Zionist player in the administration at one point or another on this board on on the radio, and tied their actions back to Israel.
Just ask yourself this question, what do Richard Perle, Lewis Libby, Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, David Frum, David Wurmser, Irving Kristol, Bill Kristol, Steven Rosen, and Keith Weissman, all have in common?
It is a war for Israel primarily and a war for profit, as is any war, secondarily. I wrote in my book how they all connect, the MIC, the Evangelical churches, the lobby, and the Zionists neocons who make up the OSP and wrote PNAC. That is why I wrote Welcome to the USSA, to explain how no-bid contract work in communism and how we create state assisted monopolies through everything from agribusiness subsidies to earmarked foreign aid.
If we are to keep moving forward then we need to be aware of disinformation. It is my opinion, and I know I will get accused of in-fighting, but it is my opinion that we should drop the extreme end of the spectrum, the alien believers-who must admit that pragmatically, even if they sincerely believe in all that junk, they know that tactically it does not help us one bit. No one is ready to believe in reptilian fish people. So shut up you guys. Please do the rest of us a favor and just talk amongst yourselves.
People don’t let these shanky hands, Nostradamus-type, fold up the twenty dollar bill and look at the towers, retards pollute our real efforts of journalism and research into 911. Please stop saying it was the illuminati if you don’t really know anything about the illuminati other than a 5 minute history and you can’t immediately back up your claims with convincing arguments. (It is not a secret who did this, PNAC spells it out and shows it off.) I care about this country and the people we exploit, oppress, and kill. I want it to stop. Damn it! I really deeply need it to stop. The Occupation of Iraq and Palestine and Afghanistan have to end. We have killed hundred of thousands of innocent people. We are torturing people. The real people who dimonstratable wrote, planned, signed, lied, and carrie dout this war are ZIONISTS NEOCONS. (Just for the record the Brits need to get out of Ireland). Don' blame it on a mysterious group of people when we already have the names and the physical evidence of who did this.
We seem to have about half a story floating around about 911. The Israeli connections have to made or refuted. I have not heard of any valid refutations. Theanti-semite card is all I have ever hear as an attempted rebutle. The reply I usually get is, "wow god damn I didn’t know about that, how interesting." I know you guys are smart, look into it yourselves.
We have to band together to stop the NWO but you need to know who is really behind the wizard’s curtain. NO MORE WAR FOR ISRAEL!
also you should all at least skim through anti-necons.com.