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Thoughts on the new edit?

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Downtofilm
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Momentum Camps Session 1 Edit 2012 from Momentum Ski Camps on Vimeo.



Just finished it up yesterday, can you tell me what you guys think?\

Thanks
Jul 4 2012 2:38AM
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family_vacation
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Well to start things off, that song really bothered me. You consistently get such sick shots, you should put the same effort into song selection.

Work on trick selection, front 2s on small flat bars add nothing to an edit.

I like to see you doing more on the sound front, but I'd love to see you take it a step farther. Crank up the sounds and try to get them in throughout the entire thing. If you don't have a deadcat, buy one right now. Record some sounds separately and use them with the long lens stuff. Three takeoff sounds should last you for the entire summer.

Maybe film some people having fun? These are promotional materials for the camp, I would love to see kids enjoying themselves in Whistler.

Try to add some "soul" to it. I felt like I knew exactly how the entire thing would pan out after the first 30 seconds or so. You're got remarkable glidecam and tripod skills, a whole bunch of awesome skiers, and one of the best parks around. I just feel like you can create so much more!

Sorry if that all seemed negative, but you don't need to hear me tell you in detail what you did right. I think it is a lot more useful to hear what I dislike.
Jul 4 2012 3:11AM
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@ScubaSteve
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I felt the intro was to long and boring.  Think about the audience your trying to appeal this video too.  A whole minute talking about the park isn't everything at the camp.  You wanna sell it and keep the viewers attention.

Also I feel like I heard this song in many other action videos.
Jul 4 2012 3:41AM
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ChucklesNorman.
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BREID
Jul 4 2012 7:42AM
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Mag
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I agree with the song, it was nice at first but then I just ended up hating it towards the end, colours seemed really nice, ridiculously even.
Jul 4 2012 10:10AM
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goodiepocket
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this^, I was going to say the same thing.
Jul 4 2012 11:40AM
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Brock.
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Random little thing: Skin tone of the second guy was really yellow.
Jul 4 2012 11:46AM
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Stepchild
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YEEEEAAAAAP and I agree with everything Abe said
Jul 4 2012 12:00PM
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MADDECENT
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This
Jul 4 2012 2:17PM
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Balto
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ya deff have heard that song is no less then 10 edits
Jul 4 2012 2:20PM
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blatt
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In a tough love manner, Mr. Krieger hit the nail on the head; there's a lack of emotion. It's all just smooth slo-mo shot after smooth slo-mo shot.

The shots are there but it was more of a reel than a camp promo if you know what I mean.
Jul 4 2012 3:16PM
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Brock.
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Also, It would have been cool to show shots of the lane, different features, and other things while they were talking about it.
Jul 4 2012 3:40PM
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quixotic
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your edits are boring. all of them. once somebody has seen one of your edits they have seen all of them.

here you can use the checklist i made for you for your edits:

-glidecam + whatever only lens you use

-slomo

-shitty song

-lame composition

-same angles as last time (which were never good to begin with)

-boring colors

-crappy text/title work

-somebody good at skiing (which in turn makes your edits seem good)

- make thread about new edit




inb4 your a hater, your jealous, lets see you do something better

also inb4 12 year olds stick up for you, you have an orange name (lol)

inb4 any other excuse or reason to hate on me based on my opinion which you asked for.




Jul 4 2012 3:45PM
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BROBRO
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Jul 4 2012 3:53PM
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blatt
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but seriously that was a mean way to put it
Jul 4 2012 3:56PM
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BROBRO
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yeah i feel like most of the stuff in your edits is all similar. For example in your edits your jump shots are all ride in on the side of the take off cut to angle on the knuckle its so predictable it makes your edits, honestly, boring. Switch things up, use the uniqueness of the area your at and get an angle only possible at this feature or resort. That will bring more composition, uniqueness, and more interest to your edits. Get more scenic shots in the middle of your edits to bring in the surroundings and bring a more natural feel as well.
P.S. Not trying to hate, just trying to give my input.
Jul 4 2012 4:03PM
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Brock.
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Dude. Chill. I said all of that shit over a year and a half ago and it hasn't really sunk in. Whatever. You can only do so much.
Jul 4 2012 4:56PM
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juicedrummer11
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yeah agree with most of the comments, i thnk what would help is some "b-roll" capturing emotions and antics of riders, not just them all throwin down but some facial expressions to set the mood of the video and establishing shots like mentioned above also.

in technical terms your videos are solid, but in flow and entertainment not quite solid. some of those "b-roll" shots will help us connect with the riders or feature or scene more to draw us as viewers in rather than quickly getting used to seeing banger after banger after banger. maybe even throw in a crash or too sometime

Jul 4 2012 5:02PM
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Brock.
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It was a real way to put it.

It's a shame that most people here take that shit as a personal offense, and then attack other people about voicing there opinion. Who cares if it is mean. The real world is mean, very, very mean. If you can't stomach harsh criticism without throwing a temper tantrum then you need reevaluate your place in life.

(bikeMlatt, that wasn't directed to you, it was a general statement based on past encounters I have had in this forum.
Jul 4 2012 5:04PM
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TijmenDal
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I agree.

The riding is sick and his shots are smooth, but the lack of soul, annoying cuts and crappy songs makes DTF's edits not very pleasant to watch.
Jul 4 2012 5:05PM
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danderson.
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Thank God someone finally gets it.
Jul 4 2012 5:16PM
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jason...
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overplayed lame electro song is overplayed and lame.

second bothersome thing, you really didnt need a shots of margetts and dartois front 2'ing out of rails, if you're gonna include that in a camp edit it might as well be from some young campers. they'd probably be a lot more stoked to see themselves doing that trick.

other than that i dug it, i like the mellow vibes from your edits.


on an unrelated note i see momentum still has no idea how to build lips for rails, at least they figured out a better layout for the steepness of their lane.
Jul 4 2012 5:38PM
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Downtofilm
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Word dude, let me start off by saying you're a jealous hater, I would like to see you do something better.

Nah just jokes, I hear you dude. I take everything into consideration when im making an edit and yes, I do agree most of my edits are all the same and trust me im trying to change it im just having a hard time getting out of my comfort zone.

Im trying something for session 2 that might be a little different to my old edits and I will try to grade it as well as pick a better song.

I also agree that some/most of the songs I pick are kind of whack but some of them I feel are chosen right such as:
https://www.newschoolers.com/membervideo/462145.0/Blackpark-Dayz--downtofilm----TSP-ReBeat-Contest?s=128034&t=2&o=8
https://www.newschoolers.com/membervideo/393766.0/-Nice-to-meet-you----Follow-Us?s=128034&t=2&o=8
https://www.newschoolers.com/membervideo/486566.0/Taylor-Wilson-Spring-Leftovers?s=128034&t=2&o=8

I dont know what type of songs the people want to see, I even try to ask on my page and trust me I get songs like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAkWAExzLJI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D_EZU1eqrk

I would love suggestions from you and the community if its going to make it more pleasant to watch my videos.

Up next, what dont you guys like about the double angle cuts? How can I change that for you guys? I use to not cut and sometimes not have landings and that frustrated people like Brock so I tried to change it by getting double angles because shooting only from the knol gets boring and my park does not have very good spots to shoot from (black park winter time)

I have some time this week to freely shoot and I would love suggestions if thats going to make a difference to you guys and help me get out of my comfort zone.

Again, I wouldn't be where I am today if it wasent for you guys tearing me down.

inb4 you're no where
inb4 you suck

Thanks to Abe and yourself, and the rest of you fellas.

Zac
Jul 4 2012 10:54PM
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BolderPro
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I Don't think I have anything to add to what's already been said besides I actually liked the song, it matched the video very well And also what font do you use for your titles? I like them a lot!
Jul 4 2012 11:58PM
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blatt
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Quite possibly the worst idea ever: asking 12 year olds what song they'd like to see in an edit
Jul 5 2012 12:13AM
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BROBRO
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i think getting tripod shots of a fast run into the jump, or an angle of the landing frame the back similar to the angle used in the breck jump segment in weight. More tripod shots less glidey follow cams. One of the reasons i don't have a huge desire for a glide cam is because i feel like there getting to played out. seems like thats all ski edits are now, people flying down next to someone with a glide cam. Don't get me wrong there sick, but use them sparingly.
Jul 5 2012 1:03AM
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cwphoto
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for me, i liked it a lot. I'm a total noob when it comes to cinematography but i think its fine to the average rider. i don't know enough about filming to criticize you, obviously theres always stuff to work on, but just felt i needed to say good job. i like your stuff.
Jul 5 2012 1:08AM
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NickSki.
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He is 12 though
Jul 5 2012 1:44AM
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bo0b
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really liked the big jump shot at 1:48, and the mogul shots were great, and the colors were really nice, everything bad about it has already been said, but yeah, invest in a deadcat.
Jul 5 2012 1:57AM
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edai
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The one thing that puts you ahead of others is that you have the most solid base of anybody else right about now.

You can make an edit that technically is nearly textbook perfection. I think this allows you to have so much more creativity at this point.

I'm excited to see what you do about shot variation, and especially color grading. I've been thinking about telling you to do some grading for a few weeks, but haven't gotten to it. I'm glad to see you're going to pursue it.
Jul 5 2012 2:18AM
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remster
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This. I reckon you need to be creative about composition and editing.
Try something completely different. It may be a flop or complete success
Jul 5 2012 3:48AM
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quixotic
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even though you say just jokes, im gonna say you are serious. you probably think im a noob when it comes to video/graphics/editing and think im just hatin on you with nothing to back it up.

here is some of my work.  take all the stabs at me you want

3 after effects projects and then 2 ski edits

SocialCue video blog intro from Brandon Luedtke on Vimeo.


Einstein - Man of the Century from Brandon Luedtke on Vimeo.

Machine Gun from Brandon Luedtke on Vimeo.

Searching For Snow: A Journey To Tahoe from Brandon Luedtke on Vimeo.

Stardust from Brandon Luedtke on Vimeo.




Jul 5 2012 3:56AM
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blatt
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^in no way shameless self-promotion
Jul 5 2012 4:09AM
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Downtofilm
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No man, I dont care.

This kind of criticism is what is going to make me change my shit.
Jul 5 2012 4:12AM
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quixotic
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lol.

no fucks are given.  ive never made a thread about my work so fuck it. 
Jul 5 2012 4:16AM
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sweatshirt
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dat BREID
Jul 5 2012 5:51AM
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BA.berger
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Yeah, takes it like a man!haha
Jul 5 2012 2:26PM
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Brock.
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That was all garbage. You fucking suck. A lot.


And dtf, I really wouldn't make changes to your editing style becuase other people want you too... You are the artist here, you make the decisions you feel comfortable doing. Simply following the directions of the people in this thread will dilute your final product into a mess of what other people want... It's your creation, and it should be what you want.

Read the criticism and take it into consideration, and most of all, experiment and dive into methods and ways of filming that you are not familiar with. Check out the footage and see how it resonates with you. Listen to some music. If you don't like it, trash bin and try again.

For me, it ultimately depends whether or not you are satisfied with the final product. Other people's thoughts should only be a small consideration, it's your vision and talents that will be creating the final product.
Jul 5 2012 4:43PM
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TravelsTI
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Get a Spotify premium account, use the radio to find some new tunes. Its very helpful and puts pandora to shame, I have come up with so many new song ideas from using it.
Jul 5 2012 5:00PM
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bo0b
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no offence, but you really cant do any better, your titles were cheesy, colors were dull, shots were shaky, and not that great of angles either. I watched dtfs video start to finish, twice. I couldnt even finish your breck one.
Jul 5 2012 5:11PM
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quixotic
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considering he is using thousands of dollars in better gear than me and filming professionals I would hope his are better than mine.  but if you think we're equal then i'm in good shape!

ps - nothing was filmed at breck.

pps - no offense taken, thanks champ
Jul 5 2012 6:09PM
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quixotic
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was that supposed to make me feel bad?
Jul 5 2012 6:15PM
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Tappie
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I actually really like your song choice, and your edits. Maybe they are similar, but then I guess if I like on I like all of them haha.

But seriously, I really really like that you don't put rap/hip hop music in all of your edits. I'm not that into rap and hiphop, and that is why many edits dissapoint me. One of my favorite edits is your WSI slopestyle finals edit with the TV on the Radio song.

This song is not my favorite, as it is a bit old, but I still liked it.

For the rest, I liked this edit, not my favorite, but still really enjoyable. Can't say why though, I don't know shit when it comes to filming and editing.
Jul 5 2012 6:27PM
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cwphoto
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Since you guys were already on the topic of song choice, does anybody think a red hot chili pepper song would be good in an edit? Ive always kinda wondered that. Hope im not threadjacking
Jul 5 2012 7:15PM
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TijmenDal
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I like your mindset.
Jul 5 2012 8:17PM
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TijmenDal
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I'll try explaining what I dislike about your cuts at the shot at 1:49-1:53.
First you see the skier from behind. Super smooth shot, then you cut it right before he disappears behind the knol and then you cut it to a shot where you're standing on the knol to where the skier is coming just of the lip of the jump. It would be much more pleasant to watch the skier disappear. The viewer will be curious as to what happened, how he landed etc. I would then cut it to the last third of the trick till when he lands. That would be much smoother imo.
Jul 5 2012 8:24PM
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erikK
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apart from everything that's already been said. you've got some crazy skill at zooming with dslr lenses as seen at 3:05.
Jul 5 2012 9:50PM
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Benji.
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Looked pretty dope to me. Like somebody said above: More shots of the features would have been cool. I like how you film so many riders too.
Jul 5 2012 10:23PM
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Brock.
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Yes, I want you to feel the pain I felt while watching your videos.
Jul 5 2012 11:46PM
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ZAHNER
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this edit is dope
Jul 6 2012 12:36AM
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403MEDIA
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I dont agree with you at all.

I thought that cut was perfect. I hate it when people show 3/4 of a trick then the other 1/4 from another angle because then something could have been off it both shots. I want to see 1/3-3/4 of the first angle of a trick then an entire take-off to landing with the other angle. Thats the only way that I can believe what is happening in front of me and to me it looks more impressive for this skier and filmer.

Zac I thought that was pretty good but I 100% agree with everything that Abe said in the first comment. I want to see more soul.

on a side note, the last shot of the chair lift and village down bellow fucking blew my mind!


-Brent


Jul 6 2012 1:07AM
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