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Is Cork 7 just a 180 to Misty 5?

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Hard
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Someone tried explaining to me that cork rotations are simply a 180 turn into a misty axis. So cork 7 is 180 to Misty 5, Cork 9 is 180 to Misty 7, dub cork 10 would be 180 to Dub misty 9, etc etc. They preached you should learn misty on snow before ever trying cork rotations. They even went as far as to say misty axis is the fundamental axis of all modern freeski aerial maneuvers.

Trying to make sense of all this. What are your opinions?
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Sep 1 2024 3:56PM
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Rock_Inhabitant
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Thats kinda a wierd way to visualize it. Mistys are set forwards and corks are set backwards, so I guess a 180 into a misty 5 is kinda like a cork cause the 180 inverts the forward set to a backward motion. I guess it makes sense but its a confusing way to put it
Sep 1 2024 4:06PM
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BallClapper
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This guy did a sweet misty. https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1096621/--YouTube
Sep 1 2024 6:18PM
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CalumSKI
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crazy question lmao
a misty is thrown forwards and a cork is thrown back over the shoulder
lol
Sep 1 2024 6:20PM
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Yukon_Cornelius
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I mean if that helps you visualize it. I think you’re overthinking it, just do the cork 7 set like 20 times and then huck it and have a homie mat for you if you’re scared
Sep 1 2024 7:42PM
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caveman31
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Nobody who can do a cork 7 thinks about this
Sep 1 2024 9:17PM
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Jibbcore
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No its a backflip to screamin semen
Sep 1 2024 10:06PM
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FakeKalmar
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No but misty 5 is -180 to cork 7
Sep 2 2024 12:46AM
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gravel
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I have known coaches who teach a cork this way. It’s kind of valid. Helps teach pop up before setting the flip.
Sep 2 2024 1:35AM
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Paul.
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This is how I've taught people to cork 7 on tramp
Sep 2 2024 1:44AM
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Holte
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I have a couple friends who learned cork 7s by thinking about it that way, but they could already misty and do on-axis 7s. That train of thought didn't help me at all. It's an interesting visualization tool for some people but they're not really the same.
Sep 2 2024 12:42PM
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nCrow
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Kinda. I feel like thats sorta how I do them on a tramp at least.
Sep 2 2024 10:08PM
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Bernah
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KungKalmarNo but misty 5 is -180 to cork 7


No sir
Sep 3 2024 11:03AM
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ajbski
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I would say that the result of both rotations are the same.

but i found if you are closing your shoulders and hips (rotating them towards the snow, like a misty) as opposed to opening them (up and keeping them level to the lip) you will have trouble popping and getting set forward or back on the landing. also by setting level and using your core for the off axis, you can pop and spin way harder you could do it on smaller jumps.


I think 99.9% of people close themselves up on a cork 7 (myself included out of habit) but until you see some one doing it right, it doesnt really click. and it looks very different from a 180 to misty.



Women tend to be better at setting a proper cork 7 because of their lower COG. men can toss a shoulder and get corked. women cant.






Sep 3 2024 11:21AM
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Bernah
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ajbskiI would say that the result of both rotations are the same.

but i found if you are closing your shoulders and hips (rotating them towards the snow, like a misty) as opposed to opening them (up and keeping them level to the lip) you will have trouble popping and getting set forward or back on the landing. also by setting level and using your core for the off axis, you can pop and spin way harder you could do it on smaller jumps.


I think 99.9% of people close themselves up on a cork 7 (myself included out of habit) but until you see some one doing it right, it doesnt really click. and it looks very different from a 180 to misty.



Women tend to be better at setting a proper cork 7 because of their lower COG. men can toss a shoulder and get corked. women cant.








Both cork, no misty in sight
Sep 3 2024 12:19PM
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ajbski
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BernahBoth cork, no misty in sight

Yea. the pics are just to show setting back and closing vs back and open.
Sep 3 2024 12:39PM
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gravel
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As “proper” as T set is, it’s so ugly
Sep 3 2024 12:40PM
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Bernah
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ajbskiYea. the pics are just to show setting back and closing vs back and open.


Gotcha my fault
Sep 3 2024 1:16PM
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KilaTsunami
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I feel like we need a bot that explains tricks anytime someone asks lol
Sep 4 2024 10:48AM
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ajbski
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gravelAs “proper” as T set is, it’s so ugly


Idk, def a preference thing. I think to do a slow floaty cork sev, it needs to be a T set.
Sep 4 2024 11:08AM
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CharlzHub
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A misty is waayyy more inverted than a cork. Granted you can cork on many different axis and it still be a 'cork', but when setting a misty you fully throw your head down over the takeoff, whereas a cork is just a shoulder dip, much less inverted.

I guess you could say a cork 7 is a 180 into bio 5, but not a misty 5.
Sep 5 2024 2:27AM
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ajbski
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CharlzHubA misty is waayyy more inverted than a cork. Granted you can cork on many different axis and it still be a 'cork', but when setting a misty you fully throw your head down over the takeoff, whereas a cork is just a shoulder dip, much less inverted.

I guess you could say a cork 7 is a 180 into bio 5, but not a misty 5.


the way i see it, misty your head gets level with your hips at half rotation. it might seem more inverted because your feet are above that line.

"proper" cork, your head is also level with your hips. on cork 3 or 5 people def get more inverted. cork 7 with your hips above your head i would call dspin. anything less inverted, purists wouldnt call it cork.

all im saying is i wouldnt look at head to feet axis to determine the degree of inversion. depending on how you tweak it, it could look more or less inverted. like blunt, mute japan.




i think bio/misty and flat/rodeo are interpreted differently too. to me bio and rodeo are less inverted than their counterparts. others could argue the opposite
Sep 5 2024 4:56PM
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b0ss
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Cork feet go out in front from glute engage on pop+heels push top of lip. Misty feet go behind and hing of hips causes forward flipping. In mork, head tilt and lack of glute engage causes feet to go to side, depending on how you whip shoulders and push feet in takeoff you end up more cork or misty. People learning cork 7 with intent to do dubs n stuff learn straight 3>cork 3. Helps to know what flipping early feels like with 180>cork5. Misty is usually more of a forward flatspin i mean feet end up to the side at 90ish. Bio is more like the forward equivalent of a cork because feet end up straight behind for at the first 360 kind of usually. If you want to cork but cant seem to glute engage and push heels in takeoff/it looks maybe almost like a misty, look at feet direction in first 360. Are they generally downhill, uphill, left of right. Fun to mention too, feet going out same or different way as spin are different tricks.
Sep 7 2024 11:26AM
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b0ss
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gravelI have known coaches who teach a cork this way. It’s kind of valid. Helps teach pop up before setting the flip.


I have never heard of this but it sounds clevver.
Sep 7 2024 11:29AM
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