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Arc’teryx sucks

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Lucky_julian
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Both the skiers and snowboarders who ride for them are good. I like them and you should too. But the company can suck bobby browns you know what. There shit cost way to much money. The stores retail make me uncomfortable. Rich kids and lame people like anxkilla think it’s “hype”.
Nobody actually needs Arc’teryx stuff you only buy it for the logo. If you pull up wearing Arc’teryx’s im gonna immediately know you just a little wuss scared of getting a little water or wind on your precious skin. Rain jackets r for pussies.
Oct 24 2023 2:46PM
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yaskata
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ppl on tiktok should just accept that they dont need arc teryx to hike 2 kilometers, like bro ur hikes can be done in fucking jeans. Arc teryx is for serious backountry skiers and mountaineers, u most likely dont need arc teryx. Like just imagine a 15 yo kid wanting a beta ar to ski some blues and go hike for 10 minutes in the middle of the summer once a year with his "gorpcore omg so outdoorsyyy" friends

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Oct 24 2023 2:51PM
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Jems
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I agree, overpriced and lame. Your $500 goretex shell is honestly the biggest waste of money.
Oct 24 2023 2:59PM
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JalmarKalmar
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JemsI agree, overpriced and lame. Your $500 goretex shell is honestly the biggest waste of money.


500$ shells are actually worth it for people who are actually doing something in the mountains. Are they worth it for most of the people who own them? Probably not. And the brand is definitely ruined by those gorpcore hypebeast tiktok kids.
Oct 24 2023 3:08PM
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Christian_Bale
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You wouldn't guess it from the advertising but it's basically an athleisure brand at this point
Oct 24 2023 3:10PM
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Jems
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JalmarKalmar500$ shells are actually worth it for people who are actually doing something in the mountains. Are they worth it for most of the people who own them? Probably not. And the brand is definitely ruined by those gorpcore hypebeast tiktok kids.


There's cheaper clothing that does the same exact thing. You don't need a full goretex fit to play around in deep snow all day, let alone goretex apparel twice the price of other brands using goretex. It's like buying a Ram TRX to go off-roading when a jeep does the same exact thing but with 400 less horsepower.
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SofaKingSick
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Oct 24 2023 3:32PM
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JalmarKalmar
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JemsThere's cheaper clothing that does the same exact thing. You don't need a full goretex fit to play around in deep snow all day, let alone goretex apparel twice the price of other brands using goretex. It's like buying a Ram TRX to go off-roading when a jeep does the same exact thing but with 400 less horsepower.

I was thinking more like mountaineering stuff, not just resort powskiing.
I don't know how pricing is in the US but here Arc'teryx is around same price as other goretex shells.
Oct 24 2023 3:35PM
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Jems
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JalmarKalmarI was thinking more like mountaineering stuff, not just resort powskiing.
I don't know how pricing is in the US but here Arc'teryx is around same price as other goretex shells.

Well this is a skiing forum so I'm gonna assume you're talking about skiing. In the US arcteryx is much more expensive than other goretex branded articles of clothing. I was lucky enough to acquire a goretex REI branded rain jacket in their discount line for about more or less $160 (200ish new). Arcteryx rain jackets were going for $350-$600!!!!
Oct 24 2023 3:37PM
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verynormalguy
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I wouldn’t say that they’re overpriced- $500 isn’t too bad for a jacket that uses goretex pro fabric, has fully taped seams, and may last you over a decade if you take decent care of it. Whether or not it looks cool is definitely subjective but I think most of their stuff looks a lot better than what some “ski companies” are putting out these days

Lucky for you, for most people this is just another trend that’ll die out in a few years, and fashion will have moved on to some other, more expensive coat (five years from now it’ll be Canada Goose jackets and everyone on hill will look like babytron)
Oct 24 2023 3:53PM
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keweenaw_skier
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agreed. thrift store ski fits 4evaaaaa
Oct 24 2023 3:54PM
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tdollo
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Typical NSer's take on Arc'teryx lol
Oct 24 2023 3:54PM
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Jems
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tdolloTypical NSer's take on Arc'teryx lol

OP worded it in an immature matter but he’s right
Oct 24 2023 4:07PM
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Christian_Bale
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verynormalguy(five years from now it’ll be Canada Goose jackets and everyone on hill will look like babytron)

good I really hope not. Seen so many of those ugly ass jackets in Vancouver and it doesn't even get cold here. Babytron gets a pass though lol
Oct 24 2023 4:08PM
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freestyler540
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You kids only think fashion.
I am a proud owner of a 1200$ Alpha AR. I love that jacket to death. I will never buy another shell again! Its warm at -20C, wind breaker, breathes awesomely and is completly waterproof. Its honestly the best jacket I have ever bought.

I raced in it, survived cold night in the BC and skied in icerain weather and its never left me down! It is worth every penny I saved to get it.

What haters dont understand about the gear is that the pricy stuff isnt for waiting for the bus in downtown SLC. Its for mountaineering and climbing. Stuff your average teen in the US doesnt do.

They have a streetwear line up too. Gear more designed to city life dwellers that have a shit ton of money… or live off their daddy’s trust fund.
Oct 24 2023 4:24PM
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TRVP_ANGEL
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JemsThere's cheaper clothing that does the same exact thing. You don't need a full goretex fit to play around in deep snow all day, let alone goretex apparel twice the price of other brands using goretex. It's like buying a Ram TRX to go off-roading when a jeep does the same exact thing but with 400 less horsepower.


"trust me bro this jacket i picked up at the thrift outshine arcteryx anyday"

Oct 24 2023 4:40PM
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Jems
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TRVP_ANGEL"trust me bro this jacket i picked up at the thrift outshine arcteryx anyday"


it won’t outperform arcteryx but i’ve sure as hell never had any moisture problems with the gear i’ve got now.
Oct 24 2023 4:54PM
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sindreplassen
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arc jacket will probably last 4L
Oct 24 2023 5:19PM
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Goretex_Vidal
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freestyler540You kids only think fashion.
I am a proud owner of a 1200$ Alpha AR. I love that jacket to death. I will never buy another shell again! Its warm at -20C, wind breaker, breathes awesomely and is completly waterproof. Its honestly the best jacket I have ever bought.

I raced in it, survived cold night in the BC and skied in icerain weather and its never left me down! It is worth every penny I saved to get it.

What haters dont understand about the gear is that the pricy stuff isnt for waiting for the bus in downtown SLC. Its for mountaineering and climbing. Stuff your average teen in the US doesnt do.

They have a streetwear line up too. Gear more designed to city life dwellers that have a shit ton of money… or live off their daddy’s trust fund.


I quoted this post in Veilance pants.
Oct 24 2023 5:21PM
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weastcoat
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I can guarantee you ankilla does not fuck with Arcteryx
Oct 24 2023 5:22PM
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ajbski
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As someone who knows people that work at arcteryx. they are quite legit. they spend crazy amounts on development before production. They really do think outside the box when coming out with new products and actually try and solve problems with things on the market.

As someone who lives in the pnw, its nice to be able to go from the base to summit without being soaked.

As someone who dabbles in mountaineering, their climbing gear is very nice compared to others on the market. boots harnesses bags. not just in terms of quality, but the designs are very functional.

It is however unfortunate that it is marketed as a premium fashion brand and seen as a status icon, i personally think it does diminish the reputation of the gear. used to be a ifykyk thing. you would only see bad ass mtn guides and arctic army personnel wearing it, now texan bob who goes skiing a handful of times a year is rocking the same kit. It used to feel like a suit of armor with a solid pedigree and track record of worthiness. now it feels like it was something that was marketed to me.

also PTFE should not be treated like just another jacket. its meant to last a century.


Me personally, i dont rock my goretex pro unless is really coming down. while it beats a rain jacket in terms of breathability, TNF futurelight breathes way better even when wet, has better cuts/patterns and is more comfy to wear.
Oct 24 2023 6:27PM
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iskeaah
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new wave putting tape over logos...
Oct 24 2023 6:29PM
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Lonely
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JemsI agree, overpriced and lame. Your $500 goretex shell is honestly the biggest waste of money.

*900
Oct 24 2023 6:38PM
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Lonely
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JalmarKalmarI was thinking more like mountaineering stuff, not just resort powskiing.
I don't know how pricing is in the US but here Arc'teryx is around same price as other goretex shells.


I'm actually curious because I'm not familiar with the tech, but what makes this



300$ better than this?




Like what is the actul functionallity gained?
Oct 24 2023 6:44PM
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SteezyYeeter
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it's funny when someone makes a thread/something is mentioned in a thread and then in the next couple of days there are a handful of threads on the same topic made by new accounts. for example like there were 3 or 4 TGR threads recently. and arcteryx was mentioned in a thread yesterday. it's cute

**This post was edited on Oct 24th 2023 at 7:10:06pm
Oct 24 2023 7:09PM
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ajbski
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LonelyI'm actually curious because I'm not familiar with the tech, but what makes this


300$ better than this?

Like what is the actul functionallity gained?


Gore tex pro is more durable and tested to higher standards than regular 3l gore tex.

686 makes the same version of that jacket as gore tex pro and its even more expensive than the arcteryx

https://ca.686.com/collections/mens-snow-jackets/products/686-glcr-mens-gore-tex-pro-3l-hydra-alpha-thermagraph-jacket
Oct 24 2023 7:25PM
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Goretex_Vidal
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The ass pocket stays open



Spliff pocket for the lift


Become a Minion


$1600 so you know it’s good
Oct 24 2023 7:50PM
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Slugger66
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ajbski, i personally think it does diminish the reputation of the gear. used to be a ifykyk thing. you would only see bad ass mtn guides and arctic army personnel wearing it, now texan bob who goes skiing a handful of times a year is rocking the same kit. It used to feel like a suit of armor with a solid pedigree and track record of worthiness. now it feels like it was something that was marketed to me.


Maybe it's just me, but I feel like Mammut has become the iykyk brand. It's not quite as nice (or expensive) as arcteryx, but the quality is still amazing.
Oct 24 2023 8:12PM
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ajbski
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Slugger66Maybe it's just me, but I feel like Mammut has become the iykyk brand. It's not quite as nice (or expensive) as arcteryx, but the quality is still amazing.


Mammut def has the cool factor because it’s only known by alpinists and climbers.

The designs are pretty nice, but I don’t think the quality is there. At least not at the price point.

my backpack and harness have had issues with stitching and plastic components wearing out prematurely. And little support from their warranty department.

only things I would consider getting from Mammut are hard goods because those go through much more rigorous testing. Beacons shovels rope slings biners….
Oct 24 2023 8:32PM
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Lonely
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ajbskiGore tex pro is more durable and tested to higher standards than regular 3l gore tex.

686 makes the same version of that jacket as gore tex pro and its even more expensive than the arcteryx

https://ca.686.com/collections/mens-snow-jackets/products/686-glcr-mens-gore-tex-pro-3l-hydra-alpha-thermagraph-jacket


Same price for me in the States and it has therma graph which to my knowledge arty does not. Seems like additional functionality over a normal shell. Both are 900$






tbf I don't know where to look but what does "more durable" mean? Like what actually makes the 900$ more durable than the 500$ jacket? Because if it just means that it was tested longer that's more or less meaningless to me. Did they do the same test for both jackets or is the other jacket just more expensive because they tested it more.

Also, durability should only sorta be a selling point. Durability is great but having a jacket that lasts more than 2 years should be the standard of "it's not shit" not "It lasts longer than 2 years (as it should) so it's 400$ more expensive". It's a gradient. ON3P's price given their durability and quality along with the fact that they are made in the USA rn seems okay. Now, If ON3P started chargin 2k for their skis and just said hey this technology is "more durable" I'd say fuck that.

I bought a guiness wallet for 40$ 10 years ago. Still in great shape. Should that be marked up to 250$ because it's "more durable"?
Oct 24 2023 9:42PM
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briccmarket420
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Rack rack rack
Oct 24 2023 11:03PM
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fucintight
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except when you buy them from cool individuals who make gear independently
JemsI agree, overpriced and lame. Your $500 goretex shell is honestly the biggest waste of money.
Oct 24 2023 11:14PM
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littleman34
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Maybe if youre just taking day trips up the resort you dont need it and yeah most people buy it for the hype thats true. But if youre doing some longer ski traverses, camping or working in the bush they have their place. Their gear is a lot higher quality than most. I work in the bush year round and I would definitely be happier in Arc'teryx than what I got. Some of my coworkers have their rain gear and are always warmer and dryer when Im cold and sad.

They also got a wicked lifetime warranty thats where a lot of the price tag is going to I think.
Oct 24 2023 11:33PM
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Knapzach
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ajbskiMammut def has the cool factor because it’s only known by alpinists and climbers.


I swear give it another year and those gorpcore hypebeast tiktok kids are gonna be pullin up with hyperlite packs and full la sportiva kits at your local groomed park
Oct 25 2023 1:05AM
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ajbski
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LonelySame price for me in the States and it has therma graph which to my knowledge arty does not. Seems like additional functionality over a normal shell. Both are 900$




tbf I don't know where to look but what does "more durable" mean? Like what actually makes the 900$ more durable than the 500$ jacket? Because if it just means that it was tested longer that's more or less meaningless to me. Did they do the same test for both jackets or is the other jacket just more expensive because they tested it more.

Also, durability should only sorta be a selling point. Durability is great but having a jacket that lasts more than 2 years should be the standard of "it's not shit" not "It lasts longer than 2 years (as it should) so it's 400$ more expensive". It's a gradient. ON3P's price given their durability and quality along with the fact that they are made in the USA rn seems okay. Now, If ON3P started chargin 2k for their skis and just said hey this technology is "more durable" I'd say fuck that.

I bought a guiness wallet for 40$ 10 years ago. Still in great shape. Should that be marked up to 250$ because it's "more durable"?

pro is eptfe where 3l or standard goretex is just ptfe.
slightly different material in the top most layer.

durable as in abrasion resistance. If you’re slingin ropes all day long everyday it would make a huge difference.

More rigorous test as in it needs to meet higher performance criteria before it can get the pro designation.

im not 100% sure of this, but it’s my understanding from what I heard. Goretex is just the trade mark for the ptfe membrane laminated stuff. While gore does sell the material each manufacturer makes their own version of it (tnf has hyvent or dry vent etc). While hyvent and goretex jackets can be exactly the same, hyvent doesn’t go through the same quality/performance testing process and they don’t pay for the trademark.

most gtx pro jackets are near the same price point. Mountain hardware norrona peak performance Mammut Arc’teryx 686 tnf rab burton Patagonia.

i said before, I don’t personally like Arc’teryx gear.
Oct 25 2023 2:09AM
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mikem
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yall wana bang with my Arc’teryx goretex thong that only cost 69$? keeps me dry down there
Oct 25 2023 5:45AM
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PussyFinder
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Not everyone on here is 16 living at home tho.
Lucky_julianBoth the skiers and snowboarders who ride for them are good. I like them and you should too. But the company can suck bobby browns you know what. There shit cost way to much money. The stores retail make me uncomfortable. Rich kids and lame people like anxkilla think it’s “hype”.
Nobody actually needs Arc’teryx stuff you only buy it for the logo. If you pull up wearing Arc’teryx’s im gonna immediately know you just a little wuss scared of getting a little water or wind on your precious skin. Rain jackets r for pussies.
Oct 25 2023 9:15AM
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Schoess
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PSA: Old Northface Goretex jackets in near perfect shape are available on Ebay and Marketplace for less than $100. Gore Tex basically never degrades and is super tough, also the formula's used in those old jackets are illegal to produce now and are even more robust than the shit you buy today
Oct 25 2023 10:04AM
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Jems
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SchoessPSA: Old Northface Goretex jackets in near perfect shape are available on Ebay and Marketplace for less than $100. Gore Tex basically never degrades and is super tough, also the formula's used in those old jackets are illegal to produce now and are even more robust than the shit you buy today

those jackets are HEAVY
Oct 25 2023 10:25AM
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clindblomskier
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Idk man I'm gonna keep rocking my goretex pro alpha shell I bought on consignment for $180. Nice gear is nice, especially when you're doing some gnarly shit and the weather sucks, spending some extra cash can really make it or break it when you're far from civilization out in the bc
Oct 25 2023 10:51AM
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Schoess
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Not really, I have never thought that when wearing mine. Maybe if you got a super thick insulated one, but there's no reason to do that when you could just use a puffy or something under it to insulate it
Jemsthose jackets are HEAVY
Oct 25 2023 10:58AM
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profa_212
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you can tell who in this thread is from dry climates and who is from wet climates.

I used to shit talk Gore and rock just 20k gear. It was pretty eye opening on how much better gore was when i finally snagged a patagucci powslayer. It changed my resort and backcountry experience, and I no longer had to accept that I would be soaked by the end of a day. Plus, its lasted me 5 seasons and counting and my old jackets would last 1-2. Well worth the money when you do the math.


Its really not a big deal in montana, wyoming, colorado etc on that maritime snowpack with low moisture content. It doesnt melt on you instantly and get you soaked. But in the PNW/Tahoe/Mammoth when its 31* and snowing 20 inches that day and the snowflakes are the size of your hand, they melt instantly on your coat it is a huge advantage to not be soaking up water. Not to mention how nice it is to rip your jacket and bibs off after a 10 hour day touring and be completely dry, while your buddy is wringing out his underlayers and steaming up the car.
Oct 25 2023 11:09AM
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quintcork
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so you're telling me 300$ for a beanie is overpriced 🤯
Oct 25 2023 11:18AM
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SteezyYeeter
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quintcorkso you're telling me 300$ for a beanie is overpriced 🤯


shut up 😨



gotta be morally reprehensible

**This post was edited on Oct 25th 2023 at 11:22:22am
Oct 25 2023 11:21AM
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cadebucket
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ajbskiAs someone who dabbles in mountaineering, their climbing gear is very nice compared to others on the market. boots harnesses bags.


The arc boot was one of the most hilarious failures of an overpriced piece of outdoor gear.
Oct 25 2023 1:58PM
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profa_212
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profa_212you can tell who in this thread is from dry climates and who is from wet climates.

I used to shit talk Gore and rock just 20k gear. It was pretty eye opening on how much better gore was when i finally snagged a patagucci powslayer. It changed my resort and backcountry experience, and I no longer had to accept that I would be soaked by the end of a day. Plus, its lasted me 5 seasons and counting and my old jackets would last 1-2. Well worth the money when you do the math.


Its really not a big deal in montana, wyoming, colorado etc on that maritime snowpack with low moisture content. It doesnt melt on you instantly and get you soaked. But in the PNW/Tahoe/Mammoth when its 31* and snowing 20 inches that day and the snowflakes are the size of your hand, they melt instantly on your coat it is a huge advantage to not be soaking up water. Not to mention how nice it is to rip your jacket and bibs off after a 10 hour day touring and be completely dry, while your buddy is wringing out his underlayers and steaming up the car.


Continental snowpack not maritime
Oct 25 2023 2:03PM
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snowfinder
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Saw an Arc’teryx store looked inside of it and thought wow lame
Oct 25 2023 2:33PM
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teabag
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If it’s too expensive for you then just don’t get it. Case closed.

Besides, skeleton bird look cool 😌👍🏻
Oct 25 2023 2:51PM
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_money
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go on facebook marketplace and buy arcteryx used from these tiktok kids shit is awesome lmao i have a sabre and a beta lt jacket now and got both of them for $350 total. it is definitely super pricey but they have great customer service and if you learn how to repair your gear it is beyond worth it to just buy them used
Oct 25 2023 2:51PM
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SirVicSmasher
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As a PNW old man now, Arc’teryx and even Patagucci Gote-tex jackets are the shit, keeps you dry even when it's pissing rain, absolutely nuking or you're fortunate enough to get first tracks on a waist deep day. 10000% buy it used if you can because it certainly is pricey but it's worth it. If you're doing nothing but lap the park all day just get spray on waterproofing and coat your XXL hoodie 3 times a season and STFU



If Armada was charging $800 for a Gor-tex jacket y'all would still be buying it, hate flame away but it's the truth.
Oct 25 2023 3:30PM
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profa_212
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BassinovaIf Armada was charging $800 for a Gor-tex jacket y'all would still be buying it, hate flame away but it's the truth.

Yeah armada has goretex jackets going for 600, which arent that far off arcteryx's regular goretex jackets. (600vs700) I dont see them getting hate right now.

and you dont get the repairs/servicing or warranty that comes with arcteryx. Ive had buddies obliterate jackets whipping on climbs and get replacements, gear loops on harnesses worn through from offwidths get free replacements etc. Idk about the snow side of the company's warranty/repairs really but cant imagine its too different.
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