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Old pivot 12 AFD plate

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Eli.braun98
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So I recently bought some 2015 blends with older pivot 12's/FKS 120's. I went to a shop to get the bindings remounted and moved up a little bit and the shop called explaining that the AFD plate on the older bindings arent compatible with my newer gripwalk boots. (I forgot that Gripwalk wasn't really a thing in 2015). Anyway, I was wondering If I could just buy a new AFD plate online and swap it out or do I have to get new bindings? Thanks for the help

I found these online and was wondering if they would work https://www.slopestylebreck.com/pivot-14-replacement-gripwalk-afd.html
Oct 21 2023 4:10PM
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tdollo
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yeah thats exactly the part you need
Oct 21 2023 4:21PM
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Eli.braun98
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tdolloyeah thats exactly the part you need


Would i be able to put them on an older pair of pivots? The guy at the shop said that I can’t replace the AFD plates but then I saw these online which is why I’m confused
Oct 21 2023 4:32PM
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tdollo
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Eli.braun98Would i be able to put them on an older pair of pivots? The guy at the shop said that I can’t replace the AFD plates but then I saw these online which is why I’m confused


oh shit nvm if they are the old toes like this it wont work
Oct 21 2023 4:39PM
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iDontHitRails
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A lot of times you can just change your soles which is typically much easier and cheaper
Oct 21 2023 5:26PM
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Eli.braun98
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iDontHitRailsA lot of times you can just change your soles which is typically much easier and cheaper

Yeah but I have like 3 others pairs of skis that I ride regularly so I don’t really wanna go through the effort of changing out the soles. Also I do a lot of boot packing so I like the GW. Its fine I’ll j buy a pair of new P12’s from corbets or something for cheap and then sell the current bindings
Oct 21 2023 6:01PM
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iDontHitRails
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Eli.braun98Yeah but I have like 3 others pairs of skis that I ride regularly so I don’t really wanna go through the effort of changing out the soles. Also I do a lot of boot packing so I like the GW. Its fine I’ll j buy a pair of new P12’s from corbets or something for cheap and then sell the current bindings


That’s fair. However if you have a power drill it takes like 30 seconds to change them. (Can be trickier if your boots have been canted
Oct 21 2023 11:32PM
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Juviticus
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If the shop is a Look dealer they should be able to directly order that correct part. I know those afds are still available. Unusually the shop will charge for shipping though which can be expensive if their default is air freight
Oct 24 2023 4:15PM
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Eli.braun98
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JuviticusIf the shop is a Look dealer they should be able to directly order that correct part. I know those afds are still available. Unusually the shop will charge for shipping though which can be expensive if their default is air freight

Sadly it seems like you can't just remove the AFD plate from this model and year. I'm pretty sure that this shop is a Look dealer but they said that there's no way to just replace the AFD plate. It's fine, imma buy my friend's P14 from last season if I don't stumble across a good deal.
Oct 24 2023 4:41PM
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Juviticus
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Eli.braun98Sadly it seems like you can't just remove the AFD plate from this model and year. I'm pretty sure that this shop is a Look dealer but they said that there's no way to just replace the AFD plate. It's fine, imma buy my friend's P14 from last season if I don't stumble across a good deal.


Hmmmm I suspect they are smoking pack but I can't say without seeing the bindings myself. New bindings is the best solution regardless 👍
Oct 24 2023 5:16PM
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Eli.braun98
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Okay this might sound dumb ASF but what would happen if I used my GW boots on those bindings? Like what would happen

also someone please sell me pivot 12 or 14s for cheap lol
Nov 4 2023 8:37PM
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tdollo
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Eli.braun98Okay this might sound dumb ASF but what would happen if I used my GW boots on those bindings? Like what would happen

also someone please sell me pivot 12 or 14s for cheap lol


The rockered sole on GW boots wont sit properly on the alpine AFD. You will likely not release because theres so much friction between the sole and afd
Nov 4 2023 11:56PM
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.nasty
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Eli.braun98Okay this might sound dumb ASF but what would happen if I used my GW boots on those bindings? Like what would happen

also someone please sell me pivot 12 or 14s for cheap lol

It'll be overly tight and not release properly. However, some people do run it that way and just don't care about the safety aspect so that's up to you.

I can't offer closeout pricing, but if you do want a small deal on some p12's, let me know. I could do a NSer discount on our site (slopestylebreck.com).
Nov 5 2023 10:09AM
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tdollo
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tdolloThe rockered sole on GW boots wont sit properly on the alpine AFD. You will likely not release because theres so much friction between the sole and afd


that being said I've done it and have released on occasion so its up to you
Nov 5 2023 10:58AM
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mikem
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Isn’t the afd plate just a different form of rubber/plastic for GW? And it seems to sit higher from the looks of it. Kinda confused how the AFD comes into play?
Nov 5 2023 11:10AM
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.nasty
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mikemIsn’t the afd plate just a different form of rubber/plastic for GW? And it seems to sit higher from the looks of it. Kinda confused how the AFD comes into play?


it's a completely different angle, alpine AFD's are more flat whereas gripwalk is more angulated.
Nov 6 2023 8:04AM
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Eli.braun98
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So the bottom part is removable. could I order these and then slide the old toe piece on or are they incompatible? The dude at the shop said that the toe piece was one solid piece but I think he's wrong lol.
Nov 8 2023 5:13PM
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Eli.braun98
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NVM I just looked at the pics closer and I don't think they would work
Nov 8 2023 5:16PM
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tdollo
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Hole pattern and spacing is the same so just take a dremel to the thing and make it fit
Nov 8 2023 7:11PM
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.nasty
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I'm all for making things work with a dremel, but that won't unfortunately. The two toe pieces have many different dimensions that would make that extremely hard to do while retaining the safety aspect, might as well just run the gripwalk sole in the old toe piece as is at that point.
Nov 8 2023 10:17PM
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Eli.braun98
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Okay, last question before I suck it up and buy new bindings. could I use these to change the GW soles on these boots? And would all GW bindings also be compatible with the new soles?
Nov 9 2023 9:52PM
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.nasty
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Eli.braun98Okay, last question before I suck it up and buy new bindings. could I use these to change the GW soles on these boots? And would all GW bindings also be compatible with the new soles?


If those alpine soles fit your boot then yes, that'd be a cheaper way to make your boots compatible with your non-GW bindings.

Also yes, all GW labeled bindings are compatible with alpine soles.
Nov 11 2023 2:08PM
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