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One Switch Up is Tasteful

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stokedelic
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Title says it all, can we stop with the 5 swaps on a rail? I’ve found in my studies that one swap is sufficient in 99% of unsponsored cases. We’re greasin a pole, not composing some lame ass balance beam routine.

This does not apply to presses or surface swaps on handrails for some reason. Every test I ran came back inconclusive or straight up negative. If anyone can find that double nose press b dog did on the quad kink this year please post.
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Newsheepers
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those dumb ass ballerinas on tubes
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Vish-shoe
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Hard disagree

Multiple swaps are cool when they are all done on kinks
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stokedelic
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The referenced post has been removed.


after speculation i may concede here, kink must be >30 degrees tho
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Bio_8
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Newsheepersthose dumb ass ballerinas on tubes


aka durham
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Icant_kfed
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5 surface swaps maybe, but if someone’s doing a proper bs or fs 5 times on a rail that’s pretty sick
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_brrett
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On Luke Votaws 2 Planker Pod he said the reason why he does tricks like that is because they’re the hardest and he wants to do hard tricks. A lot of skiers are completely oblivious to the fact that theres so many ways to do hard tricks on rails that don’t include spinning more. I think its honestly just a misunderstanding for a lot of ppl.

I still never see ppl ollie or nollie into their swaps. I think fs tail tap at 90 is sick. Proper ollie back 2’s, actually doing a nosebutter instead of reverting, etc. Theres so many ways to make rail skiing harder
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fischerdimitri5
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Daniel bacher got the nollie swaps
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TRVP_ANGEL
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One switch up, always on one leg

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eheath
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you sound like a snowboarder who is stuck in 2009
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Slowbro
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Double swaps on longer rails are cool.
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_brrett
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SlowbroDouble swaps on longer rails are cool.

I agree. To be fair I have seen some cool triple swaps too but its very rare that they look good. Fs bs ollie to sw is like the sickest dub swap imo. Always looks good. If you ollie out of any trick it makes it look 100x more sick because it shows you have control

**This post was edited on Apr 28th 2023 at 11:54:24am
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J_Steez
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JibberJabberSkiaka durham


that kid lives in your heads rent free
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weastcoat
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If you can’t do one swap with no 270 out on a rail/tube while making it look good ur just doin it wrong lol. Less is more.
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weastcoat
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BLandzOn Luke Votaws 2 Planker Pod he said the reason why he does tricks like that is because they’re the hardest and he wants to do hard tricks. A lot of skiers are completely oblivious to the fact that theres so many ways to do hard tricks on rails that don’t include spinning more. I think its honestly just a misunderstanding for a lot of ppl.

I still never see ppl ollie or nollie into their swaps. I think fs tail tap at 90 is sick. Proper ollie back 2’s, actually doing a nosebutter instead of reverting, etc. Theres so many ways to make rail skiing harder


That kid is such a fuck, so narrow minded on what “hard tricks” are and you nailed it on the head with what u said about alternative ways to make rail skiing harder.
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_brrett
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Icant_kfed5 surface swaps maybe, but if someone’s doing a proper bs or fs 5 times on a rail that’s pretty sick

bad take imo. I think surface swaps are the proper way to do swaps
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Christian_Bale
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On a related note, fsfsf2 has got to be one of my least favorite tricks to see
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Rparr
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Christian_BaleOn a related note, fsfsf2 has got to be one of my least favorite tricks to see


oh my god I'm so glad I'm not the only one. I hate that trick so much and when I said that to my friends while we were skiing one time they all looked at me like I had just killed somebody or something
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Ginger_Drew
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stokedelicIf anyone can find that double nose press b dog did on the quad kink this year please post.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CobQrHBrPqL/

cycled through the gram this year, but this is quite a few years old
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Newsheepers
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Rparroh my god I'm so glad I'm not the only one. I hate that trick so much and when I said that to my friends while we were skiing one time they all looked at me like I had just killed somebody or something


fs, bs, back 2 is dank though
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Andi_G
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Multiple swaps are cool when you have some sliding in between swaps where your momentum stops. If you don't lock in after the swap then its kinda like a revert idk
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Christian_Bale
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Newsheepersfs, bs, back 2 is dank though

agreed, and bs bs f2 as well, although I don't see this one as often
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Str8Chedda
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Agreed but on the other hand Siver throws DOWN with his crazy swaps
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weastcoat
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Str8CheddaAgreed but on the other hand Siver throws DOWN with his crazy swaps


Siver throws down but multiple front swaps is not impressive. Relatively easy to do front swap front swap after front swap. Doesn’t showcase any skill it just looks dumb asf lol.
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AlmostCooler
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Christian_BaleOn a related note, fsfsf2 has got to be one of my least favorite tricks to see


Siver Voll special



Edit: fuck ppl said this already later in the thread. Disregard

**This post was edited on Apr 28th 2023 at 6:27:18pm
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fredyferl
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BLandzOn Luke Votaws 2 Planker Pod he said the reason why he does tricks like that is because they’re the hardest and he wants to do hard tricks. A lot of skiers are completely oblivious to the fact that theres so many ways to do hard tricks on rails that don’t include spinning more. I think its honestly just a misunderstanding for a lot of ppl.

When i was younger i had a similar mindset where i wanted to do hard switch up combos that i had never really seen before. But what it comes down to is adding another swap really, which at a certain point you should just learn something else, like a lip 270 or something, where adding a swap isn't really learning a trick. I still think that dub swaps 270s out combos are cool, depends which ones, but triple swaps not really most of the time, depends on the rail and how it's done. At the end of the day, skiing is a visual thing and complicated tricks are impressive but hardly ever cool to watch or stylish.

Also, if you ski a lot of park rails or pvcs and are into hard tech tricks, your perspective will be very narrow. That's when street comes into play and you should take those skills to the streets, and hitting more and more streets and watching street parts will open your mind to what looks cool and what doesn't.
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Agate420
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feeling this rn, wasted my whole season doing surface swaps on a fat tube.
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thankagaper
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One swap per one minute of footy, golden ratio.

The switch up is a building block for rail skiing. To invest a career into scissor locked ballerina spins, is whack AF, a d I called it the way it was a decade ago. The jocks of the sport needed comp tricks to train and the anti-freestyle was forced down our throats...some quit, some just kept it freestyle.

The idea of buttering and pressing was toyed with by the best, but was never supported as anything more than goofing around. Ollie's made the team at freeskier blush....
blunt-sameway270, tail-nose switch ups, butter blunts... The future of jibbing is still behind a locked door.
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Neihartcatshart1
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3swap> 3 swaps
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weastcoat
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fredyferlWhen i was younger i had a similar mindset where i wanted to do hard switch up combos that i had never really seen before. But what it comes down to is adding another swap really, which at a certain point you should just learn something else, like a lip 270 or something, where adding a swap isn't really learning a trick. I still think that dub swaps 270s out combos are cool, depends which ones, but triple swaps not really most of the time, depends on the rail and how it's done. At the end of the day, skiing is a visual thing and complicated tricks are impressive but hardly ever cool to watch or stylish.

Also, if you ski a lot of park rails or pvcs and are into hard tech tricks, your perspective will be very narrow. That's when street comes into play and you should take those skills to the streets, and hitting more and more streets and watching street parts will open your mind to what looks cool and what doesn't.


Thought about this all day and this is with no doubt one of the most based responses I’ve ever seen on this site
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Trifes
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BLandzOn Luke Votaws 2 Planker Pod he said the reason why he does tricks like that is because they’re the hardest and he wants to do hard tricks. A lot of skiers are completely oblivious to the fact that theres so many ways to do hard tricks on rails that don’t include spinning more. I think its honestly just a misunderstanding for a lot of ppl.

I still never see ppl ollie or nollie into their swaps. I think fs tail tap at 90 is sick. Proper ollie back 2’s, actually doing a nosebutter instead of reverting, etc. Theres so many ways to make rail skiing harder


i can back this ! i was playing around with fs nollie swaps, and boy this made me step back and think i never thought i'd say fs swap is hard. there is plenty of standout skiers going down this path recently and i thoroughly enjoy it.
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stokedelic
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eheathyou sound like a snowboarder who is stuck in 2009


i feel like Tom made u say this, cmon eheath i know u ain’t envisioning double swaps on ur PC laps
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thankagaper
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I'm having a hard time visualizing nollie swap... A mule kick swap is something will wesson would do... Did.

It is possible to blind swap from nose press to nose press. Keep it freestyle!

CoachTrifesi can back this ! i was playing around with fs nollie swaps, and boy this made me step back and think i never thought i'd say fs swap is hard. there is plenty of standout skiers going down this path recently and i thoroughly enjoy it.
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Farmville420
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weatcoastThat kid is such a fuck, so narrow minded on what “hard tricks” are and you nailed it on the head with what u said about alternative ways to make rail skiing harder.

he's a teenager ofc he's narrow minded, it takes a lot of experience to have good vision and trick selection

Jackson wells used to huck quads look at him now, it's part of the process
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_brrett
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thankagaperI'm having a hard time visualizing nollie swap... A mule kick swap is something will wesson would do... Did.

It is possible to blind swap from nose press to nose press. Keep it freestyle!

Its called a noseslide not a nosepress. A nosepress is when you go 5050, a noseslide is a railslide on your noses.
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thankagaper
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5050 nosepress on a rail?
ROFL, at will wesson tube tricks...
I can nose press/slide swap to nose press/slide ... Did it ten years ago and since then, no one else has...
I will continue telling you what tricks are called.
Go!
BLandzIts called a noseslide not a nosepress. A nosepress is when you go 5050, a noseslide is a railslide on your noses.
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Lukeobrien
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I feel attacked
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thankagaper
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Acceptance Issues...
while you are working on it, JSkis , are whackAF.
LukeobrienI feel attacked


Get out there and butter into a press.../slide,
Go!
Now!
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bertBertson
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Christian_BaleOn a related note, fsfsf2 has got to be one of my least favorite tricks to see

Mfw I see the fsfsf2

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Lenny-
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bertBertsonMfw I see the fsfsf2



Yfw they bsbsb2 the next rail
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stokedelic
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Lenny-Yfw they bsbsb2 the next rail


this combination is tasteful.
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Farmville420
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thankagaperAcceptance Issues...
while you are working on it, JSkis , are whackAF.


Get out there and butter into a press.../slide,
Go!
Now!


Is it really that whack if they are some of the best park skis on the market rn?
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weastcoat
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bertBertsonMfw I see the fsfsf2



Best meme I seen all day
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weastcoat
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Farmville420Is it really that whack if they are some of the best park skis on the market rn?


I bet they ride well I just don’t think they really nail it with graphics, and neither with brand image. I get BIG TIME Gilson vibes from them.
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evil.skier
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Christian_BaleOn a related note, fsfsf2 has got to be one of my least favorite tricks to see


Luke O’Brian energy for sure. What a little stinker
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KilaTsunami
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Cool! Now that I know the majority of us don't like a million swaps, I dont have to learn them, and can just focus on making one look good lol
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gravel
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jump over the rail
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J_Steez
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weatcoastI bet they ride well I just don’t think they really nail it with graphics, and neither with brand image. I get BIG TIME Gilson vibes from them.


They are literally founded by a mt rushmore originator of freeskiing. you are tripping. also this graphic is amazing
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Farmville420
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weatcoastI bet they ride well I just don’t think they really nail it with graphics, and neither with brand image. I get BIG TIME Gilson vibes from them.

Marketing is whatever, hes just tryna sell them. Cool marketing doesn't always mean a good product or a good company lol

-stacked as shit team
-amazing skis
-gives a street skier a pro model

Idk what I'm missing but the company does everything else a good ski company would lol

The skis are like $500 if you buy the "blemished" ones lol. I promise you the marketing will mean nothing the day you actually ride them lol
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J_Steez
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Farmville420Marketing is whatever, hes just tryna sell them. Cool marketing doesn't always mean a good product or a good company lol

-stacked as shit team
-amazing skis
-gives a street skier a pro model

Idk what I'm missing but the company does everything else a good ski company would lol

The skis are like $500 if you buy the "blemished" ones lol. I promise you the marketing will mean nothing the day you actually ride them lol


yup got hooked up with a pair of the vacations and I freaking love em
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