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Is line skis cool anymore?

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andreyer
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Line skis traveling circus is core asf and was my childhood but now everybody rides em and their social media is a lil bunk. Their skis delam and break pretty quickly, their new videos are okay and they have alot of social media skiers on their team. Open to all opinions but idrk what to think of them anymore.
Jan 19 2023 9:01PM
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snowmosexual
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yeah its super cool to spend hundreds on skis to have them fall apart
Jan 19 2023 9:23PM
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r00kie
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Line seems to have lost a lot of their identity as a brand. Pollard leaving was a huge loss and the quality issue hurts a lot. Bring back "Keep Skiing Weird" Line and skis like my old Step Ups that were fricken tanks and I'm a buyer. Also, you all should have been paying Andy way more all these years.
Jan 19 2023 9:45PM
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supremeblientele
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Jan 19 2023 10:32PM
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supremeblientele
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no, but they had a good run

its like k2's autistic sister brand now
Jan 19 2023 10:33PM
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dwt802
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Yes. It’s line skis of course they’re cool.
Jan 19 2023 10:36PM
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supremeblientele
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ive only snapped 2 pairs of skis in my life, both lines
Jan 19 2023 10:36PM
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dwt802
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I’m guessing points actually need to be made here.

line skis is dope because:
- they pioneered freeskiing
- they still support traveling circus
- they actively give hundreds of skiers free and discounted skis
- they donate product to tons of events
- they support tons of projects
- they’re still weird compared to other ski brands despite the K2 ownership

it doesn’t matter if their durability is shit and they don’t have the same identity they used to but they’re is much worse. Like yeah we who ski hella shouldn’t buy lines bc of durability but they’re great for many people who ski less and don’t want to spend an arm and a leg. They still do great things for the community which shouldn’t be overlooked. Line skis is still cool.
Jan 19 2023 11:41PM
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caveman31
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not core. they dont pay andy enough
Jan 19 2023 11:48PM
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andreyer
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r00kieLine seems to have lost a lot of their identity as a brand. Pollard leaving was a huge loss and the quality issue hurts a lot. Bring back "Keep Skiing Weird" Line and skis like my old Step Ups that were fricken tanks and I'm a buyer. Also, you all should have been paying Andy way more all these years.


I back this statement heavy
Jan 20 2023 3:07AM
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STEEZUS_CHRI5T
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Remember when Line tried to make their fans pay for their team van instead of sponsoring their riders and doing it themselves? Yea their pretty cool
Jan 20 2023 3:24AM
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brownetown
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Can’t speak to the quality of their skis but they do a ton for the culture. Every year Line would send free skis and merch to my uni’s ski and snowboard club so we could do giveaways and raffles and such, and they’d give us nice discount codes to send out to club members too. Always stoked on what we were doing and happy to contribute, big ups to them for that
Jan 20 2023 4:42AM
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migidimigi
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Have you used their new skis like sakana, blade, blade optic and so on?
Sakanas are the most weird and inspiring skis I've had in last 5 years and skiing them is an absolute blast every time!
In my mind park skis have reached their peak and development is only incremental, look elsewhere and you find true innovation
r00kieLine seems to have lost a lot of their identity as a brand. Pollard leaving was a huge loss and the quality issue hurts a lot. Bring back "Keep Skiing Weird" Line and skis like my old Step Ups that were fricken tanks and I'm a buyer. Also, you all should have been paying Andy way more all these years.
Jan 20 2023 5:26AM
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HypeBeast
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Still cool enough to karma farm by shitting on Line. Y'all sound like a bunch of butthurt fanboys "wahh Eric pollard wahhhhhhh". This subject is getting to be as monotonous as "wHat sKi sHouLd i bUY?" It seems to be a great NS past time analogous to recommending ON3P for every ski gear question or saying "full tilt" every other post like a goddamn retard.

Line's durability can only be measured by the materials and construction of the skis themselves. Any anecdotal story of durability is the equivalent of a case report, which is the lowest reliable form of data. Every situation and every single aspect of that situation is different. Any ski can die in a day, and any ski can last years. It's purely situational. The only way to compare one ski to another is in a controlled environment with no other factors than the ski itself. Even then, each individual ski brand/model varies and even within each ski, there will be subtle differences. This durability testing would have to be tested tons of times to be certain and no one has the funds to do that. Maybe we should have demolition ranch do us a wildly unscientific test.

These discussions are dumb. Literally saw a durability post the other month comparing skis with the exact same bases saying one is more prone to core shots -_-
It's coincidence until proven otherwise folks.

If you think they're so shitty, then don't buy them. Simple. Or stop buying beer, weed, and/or coffee for a few months, and pony up the cash for skis you deem durable.


Tldr: durability arguments are stupid and irrational.
Jan 20 2023 6:13AM
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Goretex_Vidal
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migidimigiHave you used their new skis like sakana, blade, blade optic and so on?
Sakanas are the most weird and inspiring skis I've had in last 5 years and skiing them is an absolute blast every time!
In my mind park skis have reached their peak and development is only incremental, look elsewhere and you find true innovation


I got Sakanas over the summer and they've been stupid fun to do big slash turns on berms. I've probably regressed as a skiier because of them because I'm just goofing off on them all the time.
Jan 20 2023 8:53AM
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ski_salmon69
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They’re cool other than tom wallisch pros
Jan 20 2023 9:24AM
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r00kie
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migidimigiHave you used their new skis like sakana, blade, blade optic and so on?
Sakanas are the most weird and inspiring skis I've had in last 5 years and skiing them is an absolute blast every time!
In my mind park skis have reached their peak and development is only incremental, look elsewhere and you find true innovation


I'd love to try a pair of Sakanas but I'm not sure I have a need for another carvy ski.
Jan 20 2023 10:07AM
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Farmville420
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r00kieLine seems to have lost a lot of their identity as a brand. Pollard leaving was a huge loss and the quality issue hurts a lot. Bring back "Keep Skiing Weird" Line and skis like my old Step Ups that were fricken tanks and I'm a buyer. Also, you all should have been paying Andy way more all these years.


Pollard was big but what about founder of Line and inventor of twin tips Jason Levinthal leaving? Feel like that was a little more major
Jan 20 2023 10:35AM
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Newsheepers
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If you still buy line is 2023 you're hopeless, and honestly who am I kidding your mom's paying for that shit ever since you saw jackson carstarter riding them on tiktok. But in that case you'll prolly never have an issue with them cuz you can't even slide a tube. So yes line is still cool to 10-12 year olds
Jan 20 2023 10:48AM
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IsaacNW82
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Turd__AuthorityStill cool enough to karma farm by shitting on Line. Y'all sound like a bunch of butthurt fanboys "wahh Eric pollard wahhhhhhh". This subject is getting to be as monotonous as "wHat sKi sHouLd i bUY?" It seems to be a great NS past time analogous to recommending ON3P for every ski gear question or saying "full tilt" every other post like a goddamn retard.

Line's durability can only be measured by the materials and construction of the skis themselves. Any anecdotal story of durability is the equivalent of a case report, which is the lowest reliable form of data. Every situation and every single aspect of that situation is different. Any ski can die in a day, and any ski can last years. It's purely situational. The only way to compare one ski to another is in a controlled environment with no other factors than the ski itself. Even then, each individual ski brand/model varies and even within each ski, there will be subtle differences. This durability testing would have to be tested tons of times to be certain and no one has the funds to do that. Maybe we should have demolition ranch do us a wildly unscientific test.

These discussions are dumb. Literally saw a durability post the other month comparing skis with the exact same bases saying one is more prone to core shots -_-
It's coincidence until proven otherwise folks.

If you think they're so shitty, then don't buy them. Simple. Or stop buying beer, weed, and/or coffee for a few months, and pony up the cash for skis you deem durable.


Tldr: durability arguments are stupid and irrational.


I disagree, anecdotes are low quality data but more than nothing. Of course I agree the online durability discussions are way too overconfident, even sometimes irrational, but overall not completely useless.

I think the most realistic measure of ski durability would be to know the warranty rates and average lifespan of a ski model, even better if you control for skier ability and usage. Companies probably have at least information on warranty rates, but there's no way they'd publish that, and even then as mentioned it would be skewed by ability and usage (how many Blizzards or Salomons do you see in the park?)

The problem with controlled environment testing is that it needs to effectively simulate the real-world use case, which is not always easy or intuitive to do. You need to be 100% sure you are looking at what needs to be looked at, and modelling it realistically. There are many tales of caution in engineering like this, for example the steel used to build the titanic was tested for tensile strength, but its lack of ductility in cold temperatures (which was never tested back then) proved to be crucial in hindsight.

Also I definitely argue that durability comes from materials and construction, but also from the ski design itself. Poorly thought out tip designs are prone to delamination, designs with little thought to binding retention pull out bindings easier, die cut bases can separate and fold out with coreshots, etc.
Jan 20 2023 11:26AM
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cyphers
Posts: 1485 - Karma: 15,409
Turd__AuthorityY'all sound like a bunch of butthurt fanboys


is that why you proceeded to write an essay about how much you want line's meat in your mouth?

their brand/content is great. unfortunately their products are quite ass. common knowledge at this point
Jan 20 2023 1:37PM
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Christian_Bale
Posts: 1645 - Karma: 17,911
Turd__AuthorityTldr: durability arguments are stupid and irrational.

I agree that the perceived durability of a ski generally comes down to anecdotal evidence. But if I buy skis from a company and they snap/delam quickly, and then I keep hearing more bad things from other people in person and online, then I'm going to arrive at a certain conclusion. That's just the way it is. Having scientific data would be dope but I do put some trust in anecdotal evidence, because it's better than nothing. Considering k2 reckoners for instance: I don't know or understand much about their construction at all, but I've seen enough pairs get quickly destroyed in person that I would never buy them.
Jan 20 2023 1:59PM
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Christian_Bale
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I think I have mixed feelings about line. They have an incredible history, TAFT is one of the dopest events in skiing, and they still put out team videos. That being said, I do have durability concerns. Not a fan of a lot of the TW pro content that I come across, and some of their sponsorship choices are questionable to me.
Jan 20 2023 2:02PM
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andreyer
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Turd__AuthorityStill cool enough to karma farm by shitting on Line. Y'all sound like a bunch of butthurt fanboys "wahh Eric pollard wahhhhhhh". This subject is getting to be as monotonous as "wHat sKi sHouLd i bUY?" It seems to be a great NS past time analogous to recommending ON3P for every ski gear question or saying "full tilt" every other post like a goddamn retard.

Line's durability can only be measured by the materials and construction of the skis themselves. Any anecdotal story of durability is the equivalent of a case report, which is the lowest reliable form of data. Every situation and every single aspect of that situation is different. Any ski can die in a day, and any ski can last years. It's purely situational. The only way to compare one ski to another is in a controlled environment with no other factors than the ski itself. Even then, each individual ski brand/model varies and even within each ski, there will be subtle differences. This durability testing would have to be tested tons of times to be certain and no one has the funds to do that. Maybe we should have demolition ranch do us a wildly unscientific test.

These discussions are dumb. Literally saw a durability post the other month comparing skis with the exact same bases saying one is more prone to core shots -_-
It's coincidence until proven otherwise folks.

If you think they're so shitty, then don't buy them. Simple. Or stop buying beer, weed, and/or coffee for a few months, and pony up the cash for skis you deem durable.


Tldr: durability arguments are stupid and irrational.


This is probably one of my least favorite replies. The ski durability is not even the biggest concern, line has been known to delam in the tip which is almost always the companies fault. If the glue is not strong enough to hold the materials together that's on the company. Also weather the company is dope or not is more related to their marketing, quality of product and riders on their team. Any company with money can write a pay check to a sick comp jock but if their products break quickly then that reflects bad on the company and cannot be overlooked.

Line has some sick ass riders and does put out content. The quality of content and and gear they are putting out should reflect on the company more than the amount of shit that they are putting out (quality over quantity). If they are handing out cheap ass park skis that delam and break super quickly are they really that sick? Also if they are just putting out mad reals and pushing this Instagram culture on skiing are they core?

Tucker dropped one of the hardest street parts this year mad probs, also peace lily was one of the dopest ski vids this year. Line supported these videos which makes them super cool but the other side of lineskis is their reel influencer shit baby ski culture. They are turning into a cariuma type of company which is kind of sad.

Line is a dope company with some cool riders. By no means could you consider them core anymore. They have pioneered freeskiing but are lowkee selling out. If you think cariuma is cool then you probably think what line is doing is cool.
Jan 20 2023 3:19PM
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andreyer
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NewsheepersIf you still buy line is 2023 you're hopeless, and honestly who am I kidding your mom's paying for that shit ever since you saw jackson carstarter riding them on tiktok. But in that case you'll prolly never have an issue with them cuz you can't even slide a tube. So yes line is still cool to 10-12 year olds


Yo this is some gifted hater type shit, mad respect
Jan 20 2023 3:21PM
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Trifes
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we got something coming up step step for durability of our skis. we've been working one some models that you will hear about soon. we always knew and we always worked on it. it just takes time to get the right things right :)

keep your eyes out for february & more
Jan 20 2023 5:17PM
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HypeBeast
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cyphersis that why you proceeded to write an essay about how much you want line's meat in your mouth?

Love their meat

Christian_BaleI agree that the perceived durability of a ski generally comes down to anecdotal evidence. But if I buy skis from a company and they snap/delam quickly, and then I keep hearing more bad things from other people in person and online, then I'm going to arrive at a certain conclusion. That's just the way it is. Having scientific data would be dope but I do put some trust in anecdotal evidence, because it's better than nothing. Considering k2 reckoners for instance: I don't know or understand much about their construction at all, but I've seen enough pairs get quickly destroyed in person that I would never buy them.

My point was that using anecdotal evidence to make conclusions is wrong. If it was right to make conclusions off case reports, we'd all be on ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine by now. Y'all do you. I'm just saying it's stupid and we all are entitled to our opinions no matter how unpopular or irrational.
Jan 20 2023 9:14PM
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Christian_Bale
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Turd__AuthorityLove their meat


My point was that using anecdotal evidence to make conclusions is wrong. If it was right to make conclusions off case reports, we'd all be on ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine by now. Y'all do you. I'm just saying it's stupid and we all are entitled to our opinions no matter how unpopular or irrational.

i agree it would be stupid to make conclusions based on anecdotal evidence in medical cases, but that's because there's actual scientific data to use instead. In the case of ski durability, we don't have that.
Jan 20 2023 9:34PM
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TOAST.
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I like the keep skiing weird side of line and as much as I like wallisch they should have paid traveling circus dudes more instead of picking him up. just isn't a good fit imo.
kinda still want to buy a pair of blends. might pick up a pair for cheap at end of season
Jan 20 2023 9:54PM
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rusteezuschrist
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Does anyone know whether their warranty is legit? I have some blends and am curious whether if they delam I can get either a refund or new pair. They claim 2 year warranty for stuff like that. Lmk
Jan 20 2023 10:33PM
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HypeBeast
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Christian_Balei agree it would be stupid to make conclusions based on anecdotal evidence in medical cases, but that's because there's actual scientific data to use instead. In the case of ski durability, we don't have that.

You're reiterating my point but clearly not getting it. Oh well
Jan 20 2023 11:09PM
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Christian_Bale
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Turd__AuthorityYou're reiterating my point but clearly not getting it. Oh well

Nah I'm disagreeing with you. You're saying that using anecdotal evidence to make conclusions is wrong. I'm saying that, in this case, it's the best we have.
Jan 21 2023 3:43PM
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isaacwrong
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Popped up when i was browsing housing spots on facebook, couldn't refrain. Rip to all left skis




**This post was edited on Jan 21st 2023 at 7:29:16pm
Jan 21 2023 7:28PM
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thankagaper
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line skis sucks
willwesson sucks
traveling circus sucks
wallisch sucks.
end of story.
Support Real Ski Companies,
Fatypus is handmade in america ,
nick lyons is indestructible, he cant destruct fatypus skis.
Jan 21 2023 7:36PM
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BigPurpleSkiSuit
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Blade optics ive heard great things about and they had Jonnie Merrill helping design those so you know he did a good job on them. Park lineup maybe not as good. I have never skied a pair of lines though.
Jan 21 2023 8:18PM
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SteezyYeeter
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not when they sign soyboys like andy parry. he 100% gets pegged.
Jan 21 2023 8:24PM
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hi_vis360
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I’m calling it now

if they get rid of “thin tip” technology, their skis will stop snapping. It’s that simple.

My first twin tips were the original chronics in 04. Tons of guys I grew up skiing with rode lines as well. I NEVER saw a pair of lines snap until they introduced “thin tip” technology. Then they seemed to snap all the time.

Honestly I think line has known this for a while. But if they made their skis thicker and more durable, they would be heavier, and for the past 10 or so years ski design has been light = good. I think that is finally ending, I hope. Cause line could make bomber skis if they wanted to, they have the ability, I just think they have lacked the will in recent years.
Jan 22 2023 5:15PM
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rusteezuschrist
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I think it’s probably just a couple years of bad batches and shitty epoxy, I think we’ll see a comeback in a year or so if they drop their tiktok team
Jan 22 2023 5:22PM
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supremeblientele
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hi_vis360I’m calling it now

if they get rid of “thin tip” technology, their skis will stop snapping. It’s that simple.

My first twin tips were the original chronics in 04. Tons of guys I grew up skiing with rode lines as well. I NEVER saw a pair of lines snap until they introduced “thin tip” technology. Then they seemed to snap all the time.

Honestly I think line has known this for a while. But if they made their skis thicker and more durable, they would be heavier, and for the past 10 or so years ski design has been light = good. I think that is finally ending, I hope. Cause line could make bomber skis if they wanted to, they have the ability, I just think they have lacked the will in recent years.


I snapped a pair of those all wooden after bangs back in the day, honestly that ski was bound to break looking back in hindsight. Also snapped a pair of 08 invaders
Jan 22 2023 5:50PM
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hi_vis360
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supremeblienteleI snapped a pair of those all wooden after bangs back in the day, honestly that ski was bound to break looking back in hindsight. Also snapped a pair of 08 invaders


Invaders for sure had durability issues, saw a few of those delam. My stepups also delammed but as you said those skate deck skis were bound to break.

line has always had some durability issues, but I’m talking about a specific, iconic type of snap, which has become very common. The tw pros above are a prefect example.
Jan 22 2023 5:58PM
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